Ethiopian community in Hargeisa giving their opinions on the DP world deal.

[Old_Observer]

2 minutes ago, Che -Guevara said:

There is and has always been a movement of people but proof do you have Axmed Gurey was a Habeshi or Seylac was a port for Habeshas?

When did Harer and Ceylac separate?

The campaign started from Ceylac/Harer which had same rule at the time. Was mostly financed and armed by Turkey/Ottomans later.

[Che -Guevara]

Just now, Old_Observer said:

When did Harer and Ceylac separate?

The campaign started from Ceylac/Harer which had same rule at the time. Was mostly financed and armed by Turkey/Ottomans later.

But where get the idea Axmed Gurey was Habesha? Harar and other lowlands came under Ethiopia in 19 century.

[Old_Observer]

11 minutes ago, Che -Guevara said:

But where get the idea Axmed Gurey was Habesha? Harar and other lowlands came under Ethiopia in 19 century.

No Che,

It was interrupted by Ottomans otherwise Harer always campaigned north whenever they get money or feel energized to expand. Harer never went towards Mogadishu, but always to North.

Adal ruled Shiwa (epicenter of Amhara) for few hundred years with interruption. Then Ottoman held the sea shores and reached and stayed in Harer for some 13 years.

The Tigray also in 1991 went straight t Harer before Addis or any place else in the South.

 

[Old_Observer]

12 minutes ago, Che -Guevara said:

But where get the idea Axmed Gurey was Habesha? Harar and other lowlands came under Ethiopia in 19 century.

Habeshi means mixed race. The state at last was called Abyssinia. Capital moved Axum, Lalibella and Gonder.

Most Somalis think of Habeshi is minelik, haileslassie, mengistu but these are least Habeshi, they are Ethiopia. The centre of Habesha is divided now in Djibouti, Eritrea, Sudan and Ethiopia.

Since Harer was always part of the system from Axum, that way can be called Habeshi. Its now more than 1000 years old. The Hareri language is Habeshi language.

[Old_Observer]

Che,

Here are some anecdotes that show you the interaction of Zeila (Capital was at Zeila, then moved to Dakkar and finally to Harer) and Abyssinia/Ethiopia.

 

Population:

By 1330, the Moroccan historian and traveler Ibn Batutta would describe the city as dominated by Muslims from the Zaidi Shi'ite denomination. Shi'ia influence can still be seen in various areas, as in the southern Somalia veneration of Fatimah, the Prophet Muhammad's daughter.
Zeila's importance as a trading port is further confirmed by Al-Idrisi and Ibn Said, who describe it as a town of considerable size and a center of the local slave trade. Pankhurst, amongst other writers, thought Marco Polo was referring to Zeila (then the capital of Adal) when he recounts how the Sultan of Aden seized a bishop of Abyssinia traveling through his realm, attempted to convert the man by force, then had him circumcised according to Islamic practice. This action provoked the Abyssinian Emperor into raising an army and capturing the Sultan's capital.
Through extensive trade with Abyssinia and Arabia, Adal attained its height of prosperity during the 14th century. It sold incense, myrrh, slaves, gold, silver and camels, among many other commodities. Zeila had by then started to grow into a huge multicultural metropolis, with Persian Gulf Arab, Somali, Afar, Oromo, and even Persian inhabitants. The city was also instrumental in bringing Islam to the Oromo and other Ethiopian ethnic groups.

 

Rule:

In 1332, the Zeila-based King of Adal was slain in a military campaign aimed at halting the Abyssinian Emperor Amda Seyon's march toward the city. When the last Sultan of Ifat, Sa'ad ad-Din II, was also killed by Dawit I of Ethiopia in Zeila in 1410, his children escaped to Yemen, before later returning in 1415. In the early 15th century, Adal's capital was moved further inland to the town of Dakkar, where Sabr ad-Din II, the eldest son of Sa'ad ad-Din II, established a new base after his return from Yemen. Adal's headquarters were again relocated the following century, this time to Harar. From this new capital, Adal organised an effective army led by Imam Ahmad ibn Ibrahim al-Ghazi (Ahmad "Gurey" or "Gran") that invaded the Abyssinian empire. This campaign is historically known as the Conquest of Abyssinia (Futuh al Habash).

Italian Ludovico di Varthema, indicate that Zeila continued to be an important marketplace during the 16th century, despite being sacked by the Portuguese in 1517 and 1528. Later that century, separate raids by nomads from the interior eventually prompted the port's then ruler, Garad Lado, to enlist the services of 'Atlya ibn Muhammad to construct a sturdy wall around the city. Zeila, however, ultimately began to decline in importance following the short-lived conquest of Abyssinia.

 

By the first half of the 19th century, Zeila was a shadow of its former self, having been reduced to "a large village surrounded by a low mud wall, with a population that varied according to the season from 1,000 to 3,000 people." The city continued to serve as the principal maritime outlet for Harar and beyond it in Shewa. However, the opening of a new sea route between Tadjoura and Shewa cut further into Zeila's historic position as the main regional port.

 

 

 

 

[Che -Guevara]

1 hour ago, Ducale said:

 

 

  Aabe Siad mooye, wax kaleba ma maqlaan. 

 

Considering how much you interject his name into every thread though it has nothing with him, maybe  wax kale maqlin. Do you dream about the man every night?

[Duufaan]

My last trip to northern Somalia, I saw a lot Ethiopian there. Mostly Oromo but others too. I saw in Boorame, Amharos who own small business, like modern barbershops.  The Amhara barbershops were papular for the young boys who were lining up. I was told they are the best in the business.  It seems locals did not care that much. I was told, there is an Ethiopian government representative in the city too and everyone seems to know it.  It seems every big city there was one, sometimes ethnic Somali for smaller cities. As I travel toward the south, their numbers were fewer. I could  also see Oromos walking the road toward Boosaaso to immigrate. 

There are also many Somalis in Adis but we do not want to see Ethiopian government representative every city in Somalia

[Che -Guevara]

Kacaanka?

 

In other words, In Barre?

[Suldaanka]

7 hours ago, Che -Guevara said:

OO,

You haven't answered the question? Was Axmed Gurey a Habeshi?

 

Suldaanka,

We are all in deep shit regarding demographic changes. Diridhabi is what's waiting for every Somali.

The number of Ethiopians in Somaliland is nothing when you compare to the populations of 1980s. During Siyad Barre' haydays, close to 2 million Ethiopian refugees were settled around Hargeisa, these included Ogaden populations as well as Oromo, Harari, Afar etc. In fact, there was a time in Hargeisa almost 50% of the population was from these refugees.

Hence, Hargeisa has long history of hosting Ethiopians, as long as they obey the laws and abide by the norms of the host popuation, they are welcome.

Having said that, Baidabo is a different issue. This is an occupied town. You do not believe me. Next time you are near those regions just pay a visit and you will see what I am talking about. @Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaarwaa nin aan wax badan aduunka kala socon.  

[Old_Observer]

6 hours ago, Duufaan said:

I was told, there is an Ethiopian government representative in the city too and everyone seems to know it.  It seems every big city there was one, sometimes ethnic Somali for smaller cities.

That is a bit of an exaggeration. Remember Ethiopia is a poor country. How can it afford that kind of representatives, plus what are they going to do. 3 or 4 people are enough to take care of consular work for Ethiopians. Another 10 for business and 2-3 people for diplomatic work.

Most Ethiopians are like at home anyway so not much work needed from their government. The Afar, Oromo, even Tigray and Amhara should not have language problem if they have been there 6 months or more.

6 hours ago, Duufaan said:

There are also many Somalis in Adis but we do not want to see Ethiopian government representative every city in Somalia

There is more than 60 thousand Somalis from the republic. In addition to Somalilanders and Ethiopian Somalis of course. There are students in almost all universities from Somaliland and Puntland. There are students from the displaced/refugees from the republic as well.

FYI 6-7 Million Somalis in Somali Kilil.

[Old_Observer]

6 hours ago, Ducale said:

nel nome il padre il figlio spirito santo.

lol

abiti in Italia o sei andato a scola italiana?

pero mi sembra che si dice nel nome del padre, il figlio a delo sprito santo..?

[Old_Observer]

The Somali government, together with the EU and IOM has launched an initiative to support returnee migrants as they integrate back into their country of origin.

The Somali government, the European Union and the International Organization for Migration have launched an initiative to support the reintegration of returnee migrants stranded in third countries. The project is called "Reintegration Facility" and is funded by the EU. It will help 1,000 Ethiopians to return home from Somalia.

"Helping young Somalis to return home in safety after often horrific migration experiences and then to settle back and contribute to their communities … lies at the heart of this program," said Mariam Yassin, Special Envoy for Migrants' and Children's Rights in the Somali government. 

_____________________________________________________________________________

The topic makes look like Somalis returning to the Republic.

NO these are Ethiopians most likely from Puntland or Somaliland since no way to Yemen now stranded.

_____________________________________________________________________________

Some of you that are worried the Ethiopians are invading Somalia, you have 1000 less now. lol

[Che -Guevara]

7 hours ago, Ducale said:

No. Am talking about odeygii ku cibaadeysan jiray.... nel nome il padre il figlio spirito santo.

 

You know, habaar qabihii catholic-ga aha.

No, I don't know. Are sure you not conflating your dreams with others?

[Che -Guevara]

14 hours ago, Old_Observer said:

The Somali government, together with the EU and IOM has launched an initiative to support returnee migrants as they integrate back into their country of origin.

The Somali government, the European Union and the International Organization for Migration have launched an initiative to support the reintegration of returnee migrants stranded in third countries. The project is called "Reintegration Facility" and is funded by the EU. It will help 1,000 Ethiopians to return home from Somalia.

"Helping young Somalis to return home in safety after often horrific migration experiences and then to settle back and contribute to their communities … lies at the heart of this program," said Mariam Yassin, Special Envoy for Migrants' and Children's Rights in the Somali government. 

_____________________________________________________________________________

The topic makes look like Somalis returning to the Republic.

NO these are Ethiopians most likely from Puntland or Somaliland since no way to Yemen now stranded.

_____________________________________________________________________________

Some of you that are worried the Ethiopians are invading Somalia, you have 1000 less now. lol

LOL,

I guess They are always welcome in Hargeisa or Mekelle

[galbeedi]

I think the headline is probably wrong.

Ninkani waa nin reer Hargeisa ah oo Duriyada ka mid noqday, waxa uu u hadlayaa sidii nin ' suldaanka tolkii ah.  Case cloed.

The problem is every thread is hijacked by this Tigray fool called OO. Now he is talking about ahmed Guray and issues that he does not know. Menelik reached Harar in 1887, there were no Tigray in Zaylac or somali territories. We haven't seen any Tigray before 1991, and there were no Tigray even in Dire Dawa and even Addis. When the Tigray nomads arrived Addis, they were not even speaking Amharic the local language.

The Tigray who had any education could be counted in one hand, now keep teaching the separatist kids and others how Tigray were like Jews who were everywhere. I for one won't by buying, but please stop disturbing my tranquility.

Holac baa eeda oo dhan iska leh markuu nagu soo daayey , mid aan xishonayn oo waxa uu doono odhanaya. SAyidku Ethipian ayuu ahaa ayuu shalay lahaa, maantana Ahmed Guray ayaa Axmaar ahaa. Waar ilayn anagaa wax aragnay.