A7LA-SHU Posted June 19, 2002 good one yaquub.. and yeah for the ones who said we shouldn't cover up for guys i totally agree with u to some point ladies. if that is the case why do we show all that for guy sake then? i mean if we saying we cover up for god sake i'm sure we don't show our body for god sake, so that shows some of us girls do things for guys wheither we like to admit it or not. and yaquub bro not all brothers would want girls who are covered up i have seen that my own muslim guy friends hate me for covering up sometimes coz they think i would look good without it. but that is not true. i only had to say that for the day.. thanks for the lovely topic. and for the ones who cover up please do that for urself and allah.. and keep the hard work.... take care and have fun all.. sallam. 1 luv Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
X.Playa Posted June 19, 2002 What is the big deal anyway?? somali women never covered their hair not befor the Fanatic "Waxda" decended upon us in early 1980's. The somalis culturly never adopted this Arabic Xijaab, i was saddened to see a a film recently recorded in Somaliland where 90% of the women were wearing the ugly "Jilbaab" Taliban style. Lets not just take things and value them ritually, what is the benefits of Xijaab or Jilbaab i don't recall my mother and grandmother wearing that backward dress, why all of a sudeen somalis seem to be getting "Arabinzed" our ancestors lived 900 years of Islam without Xijaab and any "Burqa" and it never affected our social fabrics. And for god sake what differnce does it make if a somali women covers her hair?? Do get sexually aroused by hair??? where on this earth do men get this urge due to hair exposuer. Isn't it better for men to control their sexual urges rather then try to limit and contorol womens sexuality, we have cut their clits, we have limited their movments, we have even decided whom should they marry and whom they shouldn't marry, and now we need to put a socke over their head ???? give me a break... there is a better way to be moral and ethical, god knows i have seen Burqa women perform better then a porno Star. just non sense custome devoid of any meanings morally or ethically or religously, now even these days somali Wadaad's are recomending Saudi Arabian dress and pormoting it as Islamic, they reason the prophet wore them so its Islamic. I reckon the prophet enjoyed the Arabic delicacy of eating Locust and a type of lizard called in Arabic "Dab" so i assume soon somali will serve that in their dinner table to be Arabic and Islamic... god have mecry on my people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WILDCAT Posted June 19, 2002 ^^ Hear! Hear!...so well said...and for once I agree with you...gotta give credit where it's due. ----------- ...And whether or not it's clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCORPION_SISTA Posted June 19, 2002 jamaal 11 i must say that u made me speechless after reading that respond u wrote back to me, i couldn't believe that u were the same jamaal 11 studying philosophy saying the worst bullshit i ever heard, i still cann't believe even though i re-read it 4 times, i couldn't actually believe that that thought actually went and got proceed in ur head and u didn't see anything wrong with it. it is the most illogical conclusion i ever heard, gosh don't u remember basic logic class, two correctely statements doesn't always equal correct assumption. gosh i need to recoprate from this shock dude, dang. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A7LA-SHU Posted June 19, 2002 xplaya is that how uneducated u can be hone. don't get me wrong i don't have nothing against u nor do i even know u.. but that is not how it goes dear. and why call that ugly hijab? it is not ugly the only thing ugly here is the person who don't know what their own religoin told them to do. and yet being ignorent about it instead of learning. "The somalis culturly never adopted this Arabic Xijaab," and what u mean arabic hijaab? honey arabic is the language i see u confused here. but anyways arab has nothing to do with hijaab dear it all has to do with our lovely,beautifull religion.. bro i know that for fact our grandmas and our mothers not wearing it but that was due to uneducation as always my own my admits that too. so bro i'm not telling u should be for it but atleast learn to respect it coz it is not something that is okay to diss it is basically saying i don't believe allahs word, coz we don't cover up for no reason but for good and beautifull reasons... anyways bro believe whatever u wanna believe but good luck and i hope god help ya coz u sure gonna need that..and just lil advice for ya next time u try to say something about islam or muslim know the facts of it please coz opinion is good but not when it comes to religion coz u don't wanna say gods word wrong and make them look lame... peace out.... salaam. 1 luv Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Macalin Posted June 19, 2002 X-Playa even the ladies will not agree with you on this...am sure 100%..i mean including those who are not wearing the xijaab. For me am not even gonna comment on your silly and shallow analysis! somalis never wore the xijaab 'cause of ignorance!...but you seem to chose the opposite. ah well they say..fools come in different colors!. peace. Scop-Sis> maxaa why u shocked? the guy has expressed his feeling and thots...u shocked cause he said something you don agree with??..woow. AM OUT PEACE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samafal Posted June 20, 2002 salaam all, heey girls dont get me wrong i wasnt forcing anybody for any thing but just a mere advice for my sis and heey if u did not like it who am i? you can take off those bakini and the underwear that left for you and dance in the streets and see if i care to the slightest!!!!!! what i was surprised was that a lot of girls who i met told me that the reason why they dont cover is becouse they want to be seen by their potential husbands. And as i said most of the descent somali guys prefer covered and respected sistas so if u dont fall in to this category u can exit the back door. you may see some guys who may say they like uncovered girls but be careful at back of their mind they call you a *****>>>> X_playa walaal the way speak u look like a gaal and i wasnt talking to unbelievers . i was intending for those innocent somali girls who have been brainwashed in the west. And heey if some time ago somali women did not cover as u stressed it was only due of mere ignorance but now no excuse we have our holy book before us and we should implement it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WILDCAT Posted June 20, 2002 Originally posted by Magnoona-girl: "The somalis culturly never adopted this Arabic Xijaab," and what u mean arabic hijaab? honey arabic is the language i see u confused here. but anyways arab has nothing to do with hijaab dear it all has to do with our lovely,beautifull religion.. Speaking of confusion...I think you've misunderstood X's point here...Correct me if I've misinterpreted your meaning X. I believe he was attempting to say that one should distinguish between the Arab way of dress...which *may* have cultural and climatical influences...and the actual deen...so that it doesn't become a case of do as the Arabs do, regardless! The Arab culture may not necessarily be synonymous with the word of Allah SWT...they're hardly a shining example of the perfected islamic state after all. It was a fair point to make...there wasn't any need to get all het up and immediately throw accusations of "gaal" about...that's going a little too far...and it's simply a discussion after all. I was under the impression that this site wasn't our answer to the militent bible belt...let's keep it civil shall we. Just my humble opinion --------- I disagree with you for various compelling, intellectual reasons I can't be bothered to articulate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Macalin Posted June 20, 2002 wildkat..good tolerance there cupid mate..lol. but but the bro didnt say it or put like you did..he made a general statement about the entire arabic dressing code. ps..remember also we are told in the sunnah follow what the prophet(saw) did and we get lots of ajara.. in other words follow the sunnah of the prophet and what he preached. now if am not wrong..the "arab chicks"(lol) at the time of the prophet did not wear capris and tank tops..huh? which btw suits them in that greasy and hot saxara!..didnt think so.plus the somlai ladies wear garees which reveals alot!so the bro is right in away but we folowing the sunnah! so thats the end of the story besides i think the only thing thats a lil extreme is the "indhashareer" i beleive that is entirely out of neccesity(to keep the sand away from your eyes)..otherwise what else? . PS..come to think of it..why dont many somali men wear the qamiis like the arabs do?.. after all its a sunnah...aint it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taqwa Posted June 20, 2002 X-Playa, I'm warning you to stop your critiscm of some Islamic practice's. Maybe your not familliar with the reasons behind the hijab or other things, but at least show some etiquettes when dealing with sensitive issues about Islam. This isn't a another somalilander post, its the religion of this site. P.S. Think before you attack muslims, or I will attack your ignorant personality/mind. I read one of your post in somalinet.com where you insulted our prophet mohamed pbuh, and I ignored that, but now I'm considering the cautious advice Macruuf gave me about you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
X.Playa Posted June 20, 2002 why not enlighten us about the reason behind Xijaab Taqwa. The last thing a just god needs is the defence of a mere mortal. So hold your horses.You are not closer to god then any human. The reason i don't agree with Xijaab is because of its Arab origin, god belongs to no culture and condones no cultur so to say god perfered the Arab culture over all is a non sense. I can contribute so many aspects in Islam to Arab culture and i don't think you would dare me sxb. I will aske you a question: What ever the prophet use to practice is concidered Suna, so as any Arab the prophet ate locust and lizards the so called "Dab" , so my question is would you recomende eating locust "Ayax" for somalis and if they refuse would god punishe them???? get real ...sxb...you living in an Arab orbit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taqwa Posted June 20, 2002 Dear X-playa, I don't know if your acting stupid, or if its in your gene's. I hate to insult your character but your question is really dumb. Of course the food the prophet pbuh, ate isn't sunnah. He drank water, ate dates, meat and other stuff. So to consider this list as sunnah would be complete non-sense. The sunnah of the prophet is in Sahih Al-bukhari and Muslim, so your question becomes Void. Sine you hate the hijab because it was the invention of the arabs, then I would care less if the sisters wore a towel or even a bed sheet. As long as they cover themselves, I really dont' care what material they use. The hijab was the invention of the Arabs, and it was a great contribution. If some of you Somali's don't like wearing it, then invent your own clothing line, but make sure its sealed from male strangers. The greatest men of Islam and greatest man that Allah swt contributed to Islam is both Arabic and Muslim. So to insult Arabs is insulting Islam, since they have a connection. Isn't it strange that X-playa praise's ethiopians and hates the arab muslims. X-playa, its an insult to the sahabah's that you have called them names since they were Arab by blood. Wallahi if you spend your whole life trying to be like an inche of their index finger, you would not reach it. These were great men so don't be jealous, go and dream about politics. P.S. Last time I saw a video about Somaliland, most of the sisters looked like they where coverd from head to toe. Take a look at Hargeisa, berbera, and burco. ARe you pissed off yet. No one forced them, its their decision to fear Allah. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
X.Playa Posted June 21, 2002 Listen to me little Wadaad, and listen to me very carefully, my mother and my sister and my daughter would rather practice there somali cultural custome. Now if the likes of you with a long beard dressed in an Arab Khamiis dared to force them to change their culture then i will garuntee you one think and that is a bullet, be it you go to hevean or hell. You said and i quote: "The hijab was the invention of the Arabs, and it was a great contribution. If some of you Somali's don't like wearing it, then invent your own clothing line, but make sure its sealed from male strangers." So what , the somalis contributed "laba g'o, and bilaawe" so what makes the Arab dresse more legtimate then the Somali one. Let me correct you further only Mohamed was an Arab the rest of the prophet were Jews and i dare you or any clammy behind Wadaad to prove otherwise. About Somaliland , kid , if somali women chose Xijaab then its ok with me , if they chose "Shalmad or Garbo Saar" the question is , is it ok with the likes of you?? if not then an AK-47 will feast on your soft belly. remember somalia was never liberated with a "tusbax" carring Wadaad or plumb "U Ducee" type like you , its all about somali culture and thats it, what Arab wear or don't wear isn't our concern after all god have created us with our on culture and custome just like the Arabs, no one should be above the other...little Wadaad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pujah. Posted June 21, 2002 X.playa and Taqwa little correction there, the hijaab was not "invented" by the arabs. Its god's words, Allah ordered us to wear the hijaab. now I understand "hijab" doesn't necesirily mean the JALBAAB most pple wear but nevertheless and regardless of what kind of cloth it is, it's required by all muslimah to cover their body from head to toe. which is why X.playa you can't say those guntiinos somalis used to wear are hijaab. Now I don't wear the hijaab but it will be obsurd to say, its marely an arabian culture. salaam Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miriam1 Posted June 21, 2002 Salam I didnt plan to get into this agrument,but a comment by X.playa on the fact that Nabi Muhamed P.B.U.H (right way to say it if u didnt know :rolleyes: )was the only arab prohpet and all the others were jews....okay listen judiasim is a religion all jews are arabs by ethinicty but jews by religion there are arab jews, arab christians, arab muslims. Its an ethinicity and not a religion to be arab. Ps: The current occupants of Isarel look different form the arabs muslims that live there becuase most of them are immgrants form europe. So they have a fairer look. Peace( iam in a hurry so any spelling mistakes, acept my applogy ) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
