Making Up the Story of Human Evolution

[Jacaylbaro]

This kind of stuff aniga madaxaaba igu xanuuna ,,, that is why i hate phylosophy

[Johnny B]

There are two equally wrong claims in HY's piece, the first is he claims that evolution doesent exist, and that is so patently wrong i dont even think losing a breath there.

Second is that he claims Atheism is driven from evolution theory and that too is wrong, most Atheists ( that i know of) do believe evolution but they need not to, to be Atheists, Atheism was there in every cultures before Darwin's theory of evolution,however,its true and correct that the scientific community is dominated by those of Agnostic/Atheistic stances but neither Agnoticism nor Atheism demand a belief in the theory of evolution or any other theory for that matter.

 

 

What HY is trying to do with this kind of rubbish and you seem to be enjoying is not to address evolutionary theory on its own merits, or even question the principles of evolutionary mechanisms, but just try to inject as much uncertainty into the overwhelming evidence from biological evolution as possible.

 

Not to put it too crudely,What Harun position ( yours as well, for that matter ) stands for is that Human-beeings are created as is, by unknown(undefineable if u like ) Deity , namely the Adam/Eve mantra, which fails to genetically relate the different races of human-beeings to Adam.

 

 

Originally posted by Northerner:

1) I posted HY's opinion on Darwin's Human Evolution Theory (a theory believed by Athiests - who deny there was a creator)

2) You post something about HY's supposed suffi tendencies (unproven and off topic)

3) I ask you to bring forth anything to counter HY's piece (you dont)

4) You come back with 'you dont understand the evolution theory' (you are correct to an extent)

1:Darwin has NO human evolution theory and Atheists are Atheists on different grounds, mostly becouse theists can't present their Gods in coherent mannar.

 

2: I posted the SOL-link of HY to skip you believing that he represents ISlamic monotheism in a well defined islamic way.

 

3: I'd difficulties believing that you really think evolution doesent exist.

 

4:I believe i'm more correct than just " to an extent" judging what you present that is.

 

 

ME, yes, i did read it many moons ago.

[N.O.R.F]

2: I posted the SOL-link of HY to skip you believing that he represents ISlamic monotheism in a well defined islamic way.

LoooL

 

JB giving lessons on what Islam is not or should be? Surely not!

 

I'll respond to the rest when time permits,,,

[Gabbal]

Study finds twist in human evolution

 

 

By SETH BORENSTEIN, AP Science Writer 2 hours, 27 minutes ago

 

WASHINGTON - Surprising fossils dug up in Africa are creating messy kinks in the iconic straight line of human evolution with its knuckle-dragging ape and briefcase-carrying man.

 

The new research by famed paleontologist Meave Leakey in Kenya shows our family tree is more like a wayward bush with stubby branches, calling into question the evolution of our ancestors.

 

The old theory was that the first and oldest species in our family tree, Homo habilis, evolved into Homo erectus, which then became us, Homo sapiens. But those two earlier species lived side-by-side about 1.5 million years ago in parts of Kenya for at least half a million years, Leakey and colleagues report in a paper published in Thursday's journal Nature.

 

In 2000 Leakey found an old Homo erectus complete skull within walking distance of an upper jaw of the Homo habilis, and both dated from the same general time period. That makes it unlikely that one evolved from the other, researchers said.

 

It's the equivalent of finding that your grandmother and great-grandmother were sisters rather than mother-daughter, said study co-author Fred Spoor, a professor of evolutionary anatomy at the University College in London.

 

The two species lived near each other, but probably didn't interact with each other, each having their own "ecological niche," Spoor said. Homo habilis was likely more vegetarian and Homo erectus ate some meat, he said. Like chimps and apes, "they'd just avoid each other, they don't feel comfortable in each other's company," he said.

 

They have some still-undiscovered common ancestor that probably lived 2 million to 3 million years ago, a time that has not left much fossil record, Spoor said.

 

Overall what it paints for human evolution is a "chaotic kind of looking evolutionary tree rather than this heroic march that you see with the cartoons of an early ancestor evolving into some intermediate and eventually unto us," Spoor said in a phone interview from a field office of the Koobi Fora Research Project in northern Kenya.

 

That old evolutionary cartoon, while popular with the general public, keeps getting proven wrong and too simple, said Bill Kimbel, who praised the latest findings. He is science director of the Institute of Human Origins at Arizona State University and wasn't involved in the research team.

 

"The more we know, the more complex the story gets," he said. Scientists used to think Homo sapiens evolved from Neanderthals, he said, but now know that both species lived during the same time period and that we did not come from Neanderthals.

 

Now a similar discovery applies further back in time.

 

Leakey's team spent seven years analyzing the fossils before announcing their findings that it was time to redraw the family tree — and rethink other ideas about human evolutionary history, especially about our most immediate ancestor, Homo erectus.

 

Because the Homo erectus skull Leakey recovered was much smaller than others, scientists had to first prove that it was erectus and not another species nor a genetic freak. The jaw, probably from an 18- or 19-year-old female, was adult and showed no signs of any type of malformations or genetic mutations, Spoor said. The scientists also know it isn't Homo habilis from several distinct features on the jaw.

 

That caused researchers to re-examine the 30 other erectus skulls they have and the dozens of partial fossils. They realized that the females of that species are much smaller than the males — something different from modern man, but similar to other animals, said study co-author Susan Anton, a New York University anthropologist. Scientists hadn't looked carefully enough before to see that there was a distinct difference in males and females.

 

Difference in size between males and females seem to be related to monogamy, the researchers said. Primate species that have same-sized males and females, such as gibbons, tend to be more monogamous. Species that are not monogamous, such as gorillas and baboons, have much bigger males.

 

This suggests that our ancestor Homo erectus reproduced with multiple partners.

 

The Homo habilis jaw was dated at 1.44 million years ago. That is the youngest ever found from a species that scientists originally figured died off somewhere between 1.7 and 2 million years ago, Spoor said. It enabled scientists to say that the two species lived at the same time.

 

All the changes to human evolutionary thought should not be considered a weakness in the theory of evolution, Kimbel said. Rather, those are the predictable results of getting more evidence, asking smarter questions and forming better theories, he said.

 

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On the Net:

 

Nature: http://www.nature.com

 

(Corrects spelling of Meave Leakey.)

[roobleh]

I do believe that evolution exists. If you believe that the existance of human beings started with Adam and Eve, then you have to appreciate the small changes and slow process of human evolution that has been taking place for the last millions of years. People who live nowadays do not have the same phenotype such as the skin color or the texture of their hair or skin. Even their DNAs differ though slightly. Compare this to small organism's evolution such as bacteria.

 

In the research labs, scientists are able to see how changes in DNA enables some species of bacteria to acquire traits after change in its DNA that suits them to survive in harsh environment or gives them an edge in live. This can happen within few hours in a petri dish.

 

So, what's evolution? It's nothing more than than a change in organism's DNA during successive generations. Therefore, evolution exists, but that humans came from, for example, an ape does not hold water. Though humans and apes only differ in about one percent of their DNA (humans and corn plant differ only less than forthy percent of their DNA's)means to me this is due to a common designer, which is Allah. He made things similar to prove to us that there is one creator.