RendezVous Posted January 23, 2006 ^^^ http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/community/ /URL] I talked about Liberated women and expecting the thread to come with a substantial discussion..I talked about How women think they are liberated especially in the west and How best to Liberate our WOMEN. First,You will agree with me that Everyone got a culture, religion, beliefs and style in life. WESTERN LIBERATION: I argued that Many western families are not made up from structured families coz they don't follow their own religion..which is mainly christianity. AN EXAMPLE OF MARRIAGE INSTITUTION: Normally Before patners get married..You expect a marriage ceremony and prayers coz afterall there will be a significant process for getting the generation to continue.WOMEN in the west,mainly christians are LIBERATED coz they think by being free to do what she wants in life.She may go out to the clubs, she may dress the way she wants, she may disrespect her parents and ENJOY her life.So on and so forth.Now coz she thinks she has control over her LIFE, Before Marriage she accepts to be TASTED..a man goes to length and TASTE the woman to see if she is fertile and tasty.The man find her NOT TASTY and leave her on the pretext that she in not the type of the WOMAN I WANT.He goes to find a new TASTE and she goes her way competing with all other women.She accepts she is separated/divorced/Single.The WOMAN/MAN may have a child before marriage.So the child becomes a WACEL.Some may contract HIV and STD's.Now this lady/man will go to someone else and do also the same and you find a different kind of culture we are not used to.Their whole generation is made up of this TASTY WOMEN and Illegal generations(WACEL)..Ilegal kids are born everywhere in the name of TASTING..different women..different wives..here and there..ABORTION is done full eyes open.The kid boy/girl grows up and finds himself/herself a TASTE also..he/she also tries to TASTE to see if the man/lady is fertile and ENJOY life..Meanwhile his parents Have no guts to talk.This is FREEDOM and liberation we are talking about.he/she gets another WACEL..so on and so forth. The society has in other words: No control from Elders including parents relatives or religious people. No religion.. No nothing..people have no respect to marriage institutions,people become desperate.don't pray.. and the likes. In the end, everyone has FREEDOM and is liberated.The whole society is composed of WACEL generation.Women have no problem walking semi-naked, Modelling and strippers are on the loose. Albeit even FATHERS start screwing their daughthers and everything is NORMAL.People are liberated.TASTY Divorce rate is high, homicide,suicide, Kids go father/motherless..all these in the name of freedom and liberation.Children disrespecting their elders..No authority. Yacni in simpler words Do They want US to join them in Liberation..?? N Be like them. They want you to be Liberated and FREE.Join the WACEL generation and TASTE..so that the next time you strip infront of people you see it is NORMAL.Furthermore what does a WACEL has to hide..No wonder they are not like us.He/She was born out of Lust and prostitution.Many children are born uncontrollably.Some men/women are so disturbed that they think going to swinging clubs/wife swapping clubs/some join Brothels and prostitution to reduce their headache. But afterall, YOU WILL DIE and still be answerable to your GOD. PERSONAL ADVICE Kids never forgive you once they know they have no fathers/mothers or you don't give them proper explanation of what had happened. ISLAMICALLY: This is not the case as what is supposed to be done by MUSLIMS if they follow their religion to the latter.. Alhamdulillah, we are born with proper FAMILY lineages.Quraan was read on every marriage ceremony.We marry on consent and according to the proper laid down religious guidelines.We don't refute OUR CULTURE sometimes plays a great role in messing our life.We don't refuse There are problems here and there,Economically/socially/spiritually.. BUT WHAT GUIDES US... ISLAM AND LIBERATION Because ISLAM cautions us about all this and since they want us to Leave ISLAM and be like them, They started HATING ISLAM.Surely ISLAM advises on proper MAN/WOMAN union..Marriage and Families..Right of women and also when faced with difficulties in life SABAR(patience).Infact like PATIENCE, it was decribed as a core topic involving a MUSLIM in his/her daily life.Problems are there everyone understands and is part of life.. God has even said in One ayah in the HOLY QURAAN: 002/045 PICKTHAL: "Seek help in patience and prayer; and truly it is hard save for the humble-minded" MISCONCEPTION about Liberation Now we didn't talk about LIBERATIONS as concerns WESTERN WOMEN..only..(we have talked about the general picture..& our Xaliimos and Faaraxs in the WEST)..and "LIBERATION" in ISLAM..How are you supposed to be liberated? What is LIBERATION.?e talked about Liberation in context of Cultures and so on.I feel indebted to say that Since MANY MUSLIMS nowadays are looking for WORLDY things than AKHEERA(Life after this world), I would say people do not practise their religion well. CONFUSION ABOUT ISLAM AND CULTURE OR HATE FOR ISLAM If you read what Makalajabti,A somali and a muslim probably, has written, you will surely notice a lot of nuisance to the thread..She/He said: Originally posted by makalajabti: Muslim countries (arabs or not) have the WORST RECORD OF WOMEN'S RIGHTS?.And you dare talking about how westerners treat their women? :eek: BUT TALKING OF ARABS IS NOT TALKING ABOUT ISLAM/B] Although Arabs are Pioneers of ISLAM and the Holy Quraan was revealed in ARABIC, please abstain confusing people with what ARABS do to their women and what ISLAM needs them to do.By the way, There are Arab muslims/Arab christians/Arab culture.Why do u think ISLAM was chosen for the arabs first.The Holy Quraan talks about them so much.Do u realize that ARABS had crude culture where: WOMEN used to buried alive. WOMEN had no education. WOMEN were not valued at all. WOMEN could not inherit and a host of other problems..and ISLAM came to save the women??? Liberation as in ISLAM meant that we empower our women through the teaching of Holy Quraan and Sunnah of our prophet Mohamed saw. Finally does anyone has any other ways of liberating WOMEN...? Now go read about ISLAM and be a good muslim. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-Serenity- Posted January 23, 2006 Originally posted by Kooleey: Well, if she wastes her hard earned cash on some brand name dacas, then of course the thought of mortgage is going to send her into a seizure. Dacas? as if! Shoes my dear Kooleey, pretty shoes i.e. are a necessity. What good is it to look bad (further diminishin ur chances of baggin the elusive farax) and still be short of mortgage requirements? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ibtisam Posted January 23, 2006 I talked about Liberated women and expecting the thread to come with a substantial discussion..I talked about How women think they are liberated especially in the west and How best to Liberate our WOMEN. i think they have liberated themselves enough, what makes you think they need your help. First,You will agree with me that Everyone got a culture, religion, beliefs and style in life. and here you are imposing your life style, culture and interpretation of religion. :rolleyes: WESTERN LIBERATION: I argued that Many western families are not made up from structured families coz they don't follow their own religion..which is mainly christianity. this is not true according to stats. AN EXAMPLE OF MARRIAGE INSTITUTION: Normally Before patners get married..You expect a marriage ceremony and prayers coz afterall there will be a significant process for getting the generation to continue. it is old fashion to marry for kids only WOMEN in the west,mainly christians are LIBERATED coz they think by being free to do what she wants in life.She may go out to the clubs, she may dress the way she wants, she may disrespect her parents and ENJOY her life.So on and so forth.Now coz she thinks she has control over her LIFE, not only in the wast, that is a personality and has nothing to do with the west, everyone thinks they have certain levels of control over their life, regardless of western or non western Before Marriage she accepts to be TASTED..a man goes to length and TASTE the woman to see if she is fertile and tasty.The man find her NOT TASTY and leave her on the pretext that she in not the type of the WOMAN I WANT.He goes to find a new TASTE and she goes her way competing with all other women. Again this is common in muslim societies and in somali they even run away together, get "married" without their families blessings, then come back to have a wedding". in every society there are accepted norms of courtship which are practiced, people in muslims societies are just less open about it. She accepts she is sparated/divorced/Single. the most single/divorced and sparated happened to be the somalis :rolleyes: the number of single mothers in UK alone is astonishing, and they all accept it and move on with life.# The WOMAN/MAN may have a child before marriage.So the child becomes a WACEL.Some may contract HIV and STD's.Now this lady/man will go to someone else and do also the same and you find a different kind of culture we are not used to.Their whole generation is made up of this TASTY WOMEN and Illegal generations(WACEL)..Ilegal kids are born everywhere in the name of TASTING..different women..different wives..here and there.. this ^^ is more common in Africa than in western societies. The kid boy/girl grows up and finds himself/herself a TASTE also..he/she also tries to TASTE to see if the man/lady is fertile and ENJOY life..Meanwhile his parents Have no guts to talk. a normal cycle of life, for someone to grow up and is the same in any society. This is FREEDOM and liberation we are talking about.he/she gets another WACEL..so on and so forth. this is common in non western cultures also what is your point :confused: The society has in other words: No control from Elders including parents relatives or religious people. No religion.. No nothing..people have no respect to marriage institutions,people become desperate.don't pray.. and the likes. i am sure many will disagree with you and do not see the same thing as you. In the end, everyone has FREEDOM and is liberated.The whole society is composed of WACEL generation.Women have no problem walking semi-naked, Modelling and strippers are on the loose. and mostly used by Asian and Arab men who come all the way to experience this freedom, and pay large sums of money for porn channels. You have posted a long thread, repeating the same thing over and over again, highlighting problems that are a feature of western culture but which are also common in other cultures. you have taking and exaggerated relationships and norms of life and linked to issues which it has little if any correlation with. i think you must live in a cave, not connected to the rest of the world. you could have least Google a few "stats" you sound like you have never sat foot in western cultures, try you might like it, before you mock it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
makalajabti Posted January 23, 2006 Ways to liberate women: -Empower them politically (let them run the country), in work place (let them apply for high-paid jobs/ executive) -More rights: the right to choose their husbands or divorce them without the husband's permission, right to not wearing the Hijab. - Education: encouraging girls to study and go to Uni. - A Break with the negative sides of tradition of patriarchal society eg: sexism! That is what I think about how to empower women! Any question? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Valenteenah. Posted January 23, 2006 Originally posted by Curling Waterfall: quote:Originally posted by Kooleey: Well, if she wastes her hard earned cash on some brand name dacas, then of course the thought of mortgage is going to send her into a seizure. Dacas? as if! Shoes my dear Kooleey, pretty shoes i.e. are a necessity. What good is it to look bad (further diminishin ur chances of baggin the elusive farax) and still be short of mortgage requirements? You two make me sound incompetent. I'm not THAT irresponsible! I haven't bought any shoes in like a whole month... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Caano Geel Posted January 23, 2006 ^ i think liberated women are definetly liberated Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Johnny B Posted January 23, 2006 ^^ Some parts of the world are producing more oppressors than liberators, an uphill battle for the sisters there !! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katrina Posted January 24, 2006 The man find her NOT TASTY and leave her on the pretext that she in not the type of the WOMAN I WANT. Tsk tsk, you did a boo boo. Your pronoun typo (a Darwin slip as Castro would say) gives me more insight into your extracurricular activities than I ever needed to know. The proverbial speech, 'do as I say and not as I do'. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nephissa Posted January 24, 2006 Taste/Tasty and WACEL !! What the flip? :rolleyes: That stuck in my head, I mean totally. I try to forget. Nope! Just gets worse! Ok now, who do I talk to about getting the last 5 minutes of my night back..? The whole society is composed of WACEL generation. ^^You are stressing a point, and not referencing any actual studies, yes? Cajiib. Your outlook concerns me, it is the first paver on the path to the mentality of the Taliban. And your personal views need to end at your person and your property line Walaal. As for the topic, women are not liberated neither here nor there (Muslim countries.) There are pervs in the Muslim countries too who have a habit fetish, and get uncontrollably excited every time they see "a woman" completely covered up (Burka), or not. It's an everyday occurrence in Saudi Arabia. That's my 3 cents, keep the change Flipmode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cara. Posted January 24, 2006 ^ Taste/Tasty and WACEL !! What the flip? [Roll Eyes] That stuck in my head, I mean totally. I try to forget. Nope! Just gets worse! Ok now, who do I talk to about getting the last 5 minutes of my night back..? Like an accident on the freeway, eh? You want to look away, but horrified fascination keeps your eyes glued to the scene... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RendezVous Posted January 24, 2006 DEFINITION OF LIBERATION Originally posted by makalajabti: Ways to liberate women: 1-Let them strip and walk semi-naked, wear anything for a show. 2-Empower them politically (let them run the country), in work place (let them apply for high-paid jobs/ executive) 3--Let them attend swing clubs and wife swapping rings and brothels. 4-More rights: the right to choose their husbands or divorce them without the husband's permission, 5-right to not wearing the Hijab. 6- Education: encouraging girls to study and go to Uni.Get a wacel and move on. 7- A Break with the negative sides of tradition of patriarchal society eg: sexism! That is what I think about how to empower women! Any question? This is exactly what she is trying to say.That By doing almost everything against ISLAM..except for Education and the right to aspire in Life, She is going to be liberated. do all nomads agreeeeeeee? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- THE WAY I WANT MUSLIM/SOMALI WOMEN TO BE LIBERATED: Please Read for this thread to continue.. A forum done by the University of South California on Women Liberation concluded That ISLAM is the best bet for any woman to be liberated in the world.Before you disagree, please Read: AN IDEAL MUSLIM WOMAN AND LIBERATION A NOTE FOR FAARAXS AND XALIIMOS Happy Somali Family..Anywhere SOMALI/MUSLIM and The way Liberation has been distorted Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cara. Posted January 24, 2006 The Flipmode, Makalajabti did not write much of what you "quote" there. And the link you claim describes a USC "forum" that concluded That ISLAM is the best bet for any woman to be liberated in the world leads to the website Islamtoday.com. Have the decency to treat others with respect. No one cares if you have a 6th grade education, got married at 15 and wear the Niqab. It's your treatment of fellow humans that will always be a measure of the kind of person you are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RendezVous Posted January 24, 2006 ^^^I indicated that was her motive.. Quotes or without quotes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
makalajabti Posted January 26, 2006 Sneaky Flipmode Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RendezVous Posted January 26, 2006 Originally posted by makalajabti: Ways to liberate women: -Empower them politically (let them run the country), in work place (let them apply for high-paid jobs/ executive) -More rights: the right to choose their husbands or divorce them without the husband's permission, right to not wearing the Hijab. - Education: encouraging girls to study and go to Uni. - A Break with the negative sides of tradition of patriarchal society eg: sexism! That is what I think about how to empower women! Any question? Yes Sister in ISLAM.....you are liberated now..do as you wish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
