PUNTLAND’S SHAM SHOWDOWN AT TUKARAQ: WINNERS AND LOSERS

[maakhiri1]

http://www.wardheernews.com/puntlands-sham-showdown-at-tukaraq-winners-and-losers/

 

[Old_Observer]

Most fair and closest to truth article I have seen  in a long long time.

 

The article lays down the facts and background prefessionally and points out possible solutions at the end. Its rare these days where you get the information clearly first and then you are left to think and can have different conclusions.

 

 

[Old_Observer]

I could not help but focus on the information that "Puntland just moved and opened another checkpoint for duty and tax collection"

That puts clearly that "All wars are economic/bankers wars".

 

[Holac]

1. If historical borders are not important to stay with Somaliland, why advocate for SSC with borders defined by the same colonialists?
2. If clan lineage is not enough to stay with Puntland, how is it enough to form SSC based on clan? The Dhulos family is only one father removed from Puntlanders in terms of clan lineage. 

 

I don't know if Mr. Osman presented a convincing argument here. 

 

 

[Saalax]

The problem with the Las Anod community is they expect to be babysitted. They never take

responsibility for their actions but somehow someone else is always to blame.  Reminds me of

 some of the secessionists who blame the fact Hargeisa is waterless and has unpaved roads

on lack of "recognition" even though we all know it is due to corruption as that region gets

the most aid of all regions in Somalia.

[Old_Observer]

2 hours ago, Oodweyne said:

 

Old_Observer,

 

There is nothing of the sort in here, mate. You see the author of this piece is a bit of a political dinosaur. A retired UN's pen-pusher in Switzerland, who in turn is forever dreaming up castle in the air, particularly in the sense of thinking that Somaliland can be stopped by hot-air articles of this kind. Specifically, when matters on the ground are decidedly not on his favor.

 

Consequently, it's the outpourings of a bitter old man, who is seeing his cherished Somali union dying, year by year. Particularly on the back of a "cut-and-thrust" after a "cut-and-thrust" that is the conduct of Somaliland's forward military movement in his regions. And for good measure seeing no one to stop her, indeed.

 

Hence, we have been "invited" to bare witness to his gnashing-of-the-teeth, his rending-of-his-garments. And lastly this is his bitter denunciation of Somaliland, as if such thing will arrest our pursuit to "possess" every inch of territories that were once known as the erstwhile British Somaliland Protectorate.

 

In short, it's a "verbal equivalent" of a "gut-wrenching-spleen" intended to be his last "consoling act". Particularly as "consolation" of sort for a man who in turn is "witnessing" the unforgiving tide of history going out from his "fragile redoubt" that was once his "political unionism" of yesteryear.

 

That is all there is to it in here, mate, I am afraid.

Oodweyene,

Don't get me wrong.

I am against any Somali who advocates for war, who drums up for war, for Greater Somalia. Even if its somebody right to have this Greater Somalia idea or dream, I find it abhorent calling for war everywhere to achieve it, when it has been proven beyond any shadow of doubt that war is the wrong way to go.

Every region will remain poor, backward and fall victim to famine if this empty slogan and against humanity at this time is followed.

 

What I liked in the article is the raw information is true for the most part.

 

It was also very funny to show that Puntland had already set up new checkpoint close by the 3rd day. Somaliland did not get any economic gains from this operation, but expenditure.

You should be thankful for Puntland. I know you would never be that generous to admit. Even if you could have won at the end, it could have been after much more life and limb. Puntland saved you from contineous enmity and revenge that could come later years.

 

 

 

[Saalax]

2 hours ago, Oodweyne said:

 

 

  Well speaking of people "taking a responsibility of their action" I am sure of it that if you were "reflect" deeply of how this fact of you being fraud is actually killing any arguments in which you could make in here then in time you will see sense.

 

And that in turn could actually mean that you will stop claiming to be from Ceel-Afweyn, and get ever closer in "accepting" in your original home that was in Taleex's outskirts (as it were)..

 

 

 

Ina Cawil Mujciso  thinks I am from Taleex kkkk.  You should do stand up comedy. 

[Tallaabo]

5 hours ago, Oodweyne said:

 

 

  Well speaking of people "taking a responsibility of their action" I am sure of it that if you were "reflect" deeply of how this fact of you being fraud is actually killing any arguments in which you could make in here then in time you will see sense.

 

And that in turn could actually mean that you will stop claiming to be from Ceel-Afweyn, and get ever closer in "accepting" in your original home that was in Taleex's outskirts (as it were)..

He is from Gaalkacayo

[Miyir]

5 hours ago, Old_Observer said:

It was also very funny to show that Puntland had already set up new checkpoint close by the 3rd day. Somaliland did not get any economic gains from this operation, but expenditure.

 

You should be thankful for Puntland. I know you would never be that generous to admit. Even if you could have won at the end, it could have been after much more life and limb. Puntland saved you from contineous enmity and revenge that could come later years.

 

 

 

told them again and again, a thick-skulled separatist. it will fly over 

[gooni]

Puntland na haboona  inay xuduudka snm aqoonsato, kuna dagaalanto, sababtoo ah waa beel kaliya khasaaruhu, ciiddan gabilay ka yimid ma joogo tuka-raq.

 

snm waxay adeegsanayso awood military ma'ahan waa dhaqan iyo dhaqaale taa badelkeedana waxay ku heleen in marada cagaaran tuulooyin geeyaan.

 

 Aragtidayda puntland ku aaddan, mar haddii  fursadihii hore dayacmeen  looma baahna inay dhaawac aysan kala garanayn dawayso wakhtiga la joogo.

 

[Suldaanka]

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The war games at Tukaraq are distractions and what is missing is the role of the main actor- the central government. Unfortunately, the current Farmaajo government, like those before it, has simply been uninvolved sitting on the fence. Rather than seriously deal with the problems in the north, they engage as a way out in fruitless talks with the secessionists that merely enhance the credentials of the enclave as separate country the longer these talks continue.

 

Farmaajo is a man who is in a hostile city, a city which can't wait to kick him out the day after AMISOM leaves town.  What can a man in such situation possibly offer to another hopeless man?  

 

Anyway, it is refreshing to read Duqa Osman Badawi's changed mood these days. I remeber when he used to come to these forums under the screen name @Sophist. That was a different time and a different man. 

 

By the way this is an article Osman Badawi wrote when he used to hide under the pseudo name Mahad Muhsin. How times have changed... If 10 years ago, Badawi's assessments of Somaliland's recognition was next to "nil" and 10 years later "enhance the credentials of the enclave as separate country ". That is a huge change. 

 

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The Eastern Regions of Sool, Eastern Sanaag and Cayn are in a better geographical position as they are contiguous with the rest of Somalia. They had managed to ward off the secessionists and remain part and parcel of Somalia. It has not been lost upon the secessionists of the importance of being seen by the outside world to be in full control of the whole N.W. This need was the rationale for their desperate attempt last year to capture Lascanod, the capital of Sool region. Fortunately they were repulsed, thanks to the defending Puntland forces. But even if they were to overrun Lasanod, and that is a big if, that is not tantamount to controlling the region and having the support of the people everywhere. The chances of capturing these Harti regions in the N.W will get slimmer as the new government of Somalia extends its writ to the region and to everywhere else in Somalia. As long as the defiance of the Harti areas in the N.W persists- and there is no reason why it should falter or change- the chances of Somaliland?s recognition are almost nil.  

 

Source: Speaking as a Faqash.

 

 

[gooni]

Odweyne

Mowduuca tuka-raq mmed siyaad ha isku qasin, waa laba wakhti oo aad ukala fog, xaqiiqdana lagama fogaado ilaa xad,ragg iska celintu yaysan kula durkin.

 

Miyaad igu diidantahay in cid xoog lagu xukumi karaa aysan ku noolayn somaaliya?

 

Xuduudka snm doonayso waa xuduud qabiileed awoodna uma laha inay xoog ku maamusho, waliba beel ka dhul iyo dad badan, miyaad igu diidantahay taasna?

 

Ssc waxa iyo w/galbeed waxa ka dhaxeeya waa dhaqan iyo dhaqaale, puntland'na waxa ka dhaxeeya waa "isir" iyo dhalasho hab qabiileedka soomaalidu u dhaqanto,taasu ma wax qarsoonbaa? 

 

Wax adag ma'ahan inaad fahmi waydo faasku afkuu wax ku gooyo, geed saas u adag meesha kuma yaalo.

 

Puntland way ogtahiin cidda dagaalku dhexmarayo, hadday ku duusho tuka-raq,   macno badan kuma jirto inaad heesta qarranka ku luuqayso aqoonsi aan la ogayn cidda laga sugayana dad badan oo soomaaliyeed ku madhaan.

 

Tan ugu dambaysa waxaan ku diidayo snm ma'ahan dad ay iga dileen, ama dawladdii aniga ii gaarka ahayd sidaad hadalka u dhigtay oo ay hanaqa goysay, ee waa cuqdada aan dhamaadka lahayn oo ay ku beerayso jiilka quruxda badan ee waqooyi galbeed ku nool,una dhigayso taariikh beena oo wax baddan lagu daray aadna loo foolxumeeyay.

 

Waligaa ma aragtay oday 70 jir ah oo leh waxaan ka mid ahaa dhalinyaradii iskuulka dhexe, ee dhagaxtuurkii hargaysa?

 

Taariikhda snm, marqaan badan baa ka buuxa saaxiib, dadkuna aad uma foga runtii marka laga reebo qolyaha bidixda fog ee ingiriiska ku nool.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Old_Observer]

Feel sorry and feel bad for Puntland's situation.

Either Somaliland or Somalia need to change fast really fast. None of the possible roads to peace is guaranteed. None of the roads to prosperity and development is being paved.

Sandwitched between hipocrites and merchants. Merchant has no country. He is good where he can set up shop and if not good can just fold his shop and move.

 

 

[Suldaanka]

15 hours ago, gooni said:

Puntland way ogtahiin cidda dagaalku dhexmarayo, hadday ku duusho tuka-raq,   macno badan kuma jirto inaad heesta qarranka ku luuqayso aqoonsi aan la ogayn cidda laga sugayana dad badan oo soomaaliyeed ku madhaan.

 

@Gooni, 

Hadi sidaa aad sheegtay ay tahay, maxaa oday dhaqameedka cumaamadda boodhka ugaga tuuraysaan oo kolba u hiyi beenaad kicinaysaan?  Dhul ayaan idin xoraynaynaa, tolka wa isku habar wacanaya...ee TV'ga hor fadhiiso oo ka hantaatac iyo dhiig Soomaaliyeed ayaan spare garaynaya, labadaas waa is qaban la'dahay.

 

Awoowe, daawasho iyo ceeb Soomaali oo dhan waa wada aragta, take it on the chin and move on. 

 

 

 

 

[gooni]

Oodwaynow

Hadalkaagu wuxuu u badan yahay fadhi ku dirir, waaqacana waad ka fogtahay

 

Qabiil dagaal si toos ah u wadi kara 2saac ma joogo soomaaliya oo dhan,niyad ahaan iyo dhaqaale ahaanba.

 

waxaan aad qaranka ku sheegayso waa qabiil,  iska daa gaalkacyee, reer miyiga ku dagaalama ceel-afweyn makala celin karaan,sababtoo ah ayagoo tuutaha snm labisan bay dakano u keeni beeshooda.

 

Waa wax laysku dhoodhoobay qaran soomaaliya kama jiro saxiib xaqiiqdu waa taas biyo kuma dhibcaankaa.

 

Puntland fursadeedu waxay ahayd abo, sadex ma'ahayn aragtidayda

 

Kow inay markeeda horaba la yimaadaa nidaam beelohoo dhan ku midaysanhihiin  Ssc iyo laasqoray caluula iyo beel kastaba,  lagana dhigin beelo boqortooyada un ilaaliya,

 

Sharci tiir adag iyo dastuur adagna samayso, maysan yeelin, ilaa iyo hadana hogaanku waa meerto ilmo sulaymaan ku kooban.

 

Runtii waa niman ladan oo qabow intooda maamulka iyo leefkaba haysata, dagaalkana ma jecla siday ii sheegeen qaarkood.

 

fursadda labaad waxay ahayd inay aqoonsadaan  khaatumo, oo ka dhul iyo gobolo badan gal-mudug.

 

Taasna maysan yeelin, taa badelkeeda waxay xoogga saareen inuusan maamul kale u dhaxayn ayaga iyo snm.

 

Arintaasu waxay keentay, colaad siyaasadeed  xiddido fog oo dhex marta sool iyo garoowe, rag badan oo ku mayal adkaa soomaali weyna daciifisay.

 

Intaasu waa xogta dhabtaa saaxiib saxan badhan oo lagugu sooray saxaafadda ha ugu yeerin.

 

Tan cuqdada shacabka waqooyi galbeed cuqdad ma qabaan waan kugu raacsanahay mushkiladdu waa nadaamka oo markay baryo joogaanba sheeko cusub keena hadday waayaan waxay sheegaana, qabuuraha lafo u doona.

 

Nalka wayn yuusan koranto badan kaa dhamayn saaxiib, aakhirka way hagaagi, waxaadna ogaataa soomaaliyoo dhan dad kale yaa u fekera,  ayaga  fekerkoodu ma dhaafo beesheena qarran ma la moodaa?!! 

 

Hadday kala goyn lahaayeen iyo hadday isku meel ku masruufi lahaayeenba kubaddu beesha caalamka bay hortaalaa goolhaye la'aan.

 

Suldaan

Odaygu waa oodweynoo kale dagaalka afku waa ka jiraa meel walba, cumaamaddu hadday dhulka ku dhacdo waa laga jaftaa, waagay qiimaha lahayd waa lagasoo gudbay.