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Secularism versus Islam An Intellectual Dialogue

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From Past Dialogues I engaged with Somali Secularists, enjoy.

 

 

This is an open discussion between me and DALMAR, it will revolve around intellectual disussions that affect Somalis in these troubles times. I am posting this thread as a response to Dlamar who felt uneasy that I was not addressing questions he reaised on another thread about the Ikhwan ( Wadaads).

 

 

Rules of engagement.

 

 

This thread is primarily for clarifying the Nationalists and Islamists point of view on the fate of our homeland, it is meant to be educational and intellectual, all are invited to participate but we kindly ask all to abide by the following rules:

 

1. No Insults of any kind to anyone, anyone who insults anyone on this thread should not be taken as a serious debator, and should be ignored, that pesron is worth the words he speaks.

 

2. Be specific with your claims, back up all your claims with credible evidence to be taken seriously.

 

3. Do not generalize, make sure not to take an incident and say that all people with Red shirts are bad because the killer wore a Red shirt.

 

4. Be brief as much as possible.

 

5. Be fair, treat others the way you like to be treated.

 

6. Be objective, remember that we need to get somewhere at the end, going in circles is not economical.

 

7. Rememver that Allah is a witness of all we do, so be careful.

 

 

Now I am inviting Brother DALMAR to make his point on how he sees that the Wadaads involvement in our homelands sociopolitical scene, later I will respond to his points.

 

Let us show the world that we Somalis can disagree, debate and agree without a single shot, this will show we are mature, and we deserve a change in our lives and our fate.

 

 

The Dialogue began:

 

 

A very intelligent sister had this to say:

 

 

Nur, what have the Somali wadaadads accomplished or contributed to the Somali political discourse for the past 40+ years?

 

Do the wadaads subscribe to a political agenda different than the one advocated by thier 'warlord', 'hogaamiye-kooxeed' or 'ganacasade-qabqable' ?

 

To the above anonymous who thinks the Talibans are a model muslims. Please read the history of this group and note how they treat the weak and the dis-franchised among them.

 

 

Asraar

 

ARAAR

 

I am not sure if you are the same Asraar I have read her messages before, but your questions here caught me unprepared, due to inconsistency of the latter's positions with the former Asraar, anyway here are my answer.

 

I am not representing a particular Islamic group to speak about accomplishments of the past 40 years, but I can say that Islam in Somalia went through two phases and we are in the third.

 

1. The first phase was hundreds of years ago, in the North of Somalia, Sheikh Yusuful Kowneyn introduced a creative methods of teahing Quraan phonetics adabtable to Somali language ( Alif wax ma leh). His students carry Islam to their tribal lands , Islam becomes ingrained in the Somali Culture seamlessly, a Somali = Muslim by default.

 

2. In the Sixties, Sheikh Nur Cali Colow, begins his Islamic purification movement in Mudug, he is labeled bidci by the Sufi orders, many young people follow him, angering the Sufis, and they quarrel with the Sufis, and in the early seventies, a scholar from Al Azhar, Shiekh Mohamed Moallim begins his famous Quraan Tafsir in Mogadishu, and the Islamic movement of Somalia becomes noticeable, the government feels threatened, and it culminates with the uprise of the 11 Ulema and their subsequent public execution after they declared that Siad barre was Kaafir for his Decree of the family law which was in contempt of the Quraan, the most superior source of legislation.

 

The objective of the Islamic movememnt in thsi phase was:

 

1. Education ( Quraan and Hadeeth)

2. Moral and akhlaaq correction

3. Political influence to make all laws of the land islamic friendly at first and islamic at the end.

 

Because the government declared Marxsim Lenninsm as the official ideolgy of the country, Islam appealed to all the youth who saw being anti establishment was cool, and later, found Islam to be really cool.

 

The result of the second phase of Islamic dawa was:

 

1. More adherence to the Islamic tenets, prayer, modest dress code for women, the mini became out of fashion, and the night clubs attendance dwindled to its lowest, closing many night spots and thus a new puritanical philosophy was born, one that emphasized dignity and a sense of purpose.

 

Young wadaads would not smoke, inhale, drink or sleep around, he or she would be a community activist, calling his family for islam and good manners, the effect of these young people is still rippling through the ages as of today.

 

3. The present:

 

The present phase is more realist and mature in its approach of Dawa. It sees that all different Islamic factions have something to affer, the emphasis is not the difference, rather the integration of streams for the purpose of reaching and teaching as a priority, no confrontation, but complimenting, and dialogue with wisdom as the best vehicle for understanding. I belong to this group and my posts are a testament.

 

 

Another debator had this response:

 

NUR

 

i did not have opportunity to reply you in the old ikhwaan topic....but if iam not wrong you had a negative thought about the traditional "XEER" laws of somalis. Is there something wrong with it. Yes it is based on somali tradition but i dont see it conflicting with Islam. Nor do i see it irrelavant in modern way of life. And you also mentioned that a mistake of one or group of ikhwaans coould be held accountable for all ikhwaans. I think you are wrong in this. Since all ikhwaan have common believes and ajenda ,act and do deeds in common way.then the action of one should be the action of all.

 

And finally a question. if for instance the ikhwans have their wishes comes true and form a government in somalia. what would that government be like. eg in terms of education,science development,politics and social life,on islam,and on relationship with the rest of the world.and on future somali society. etc.

 

and could you make any comparison with a known islamic government in the past or present.

 

Signed

 

DICK

 

 

My answer:

 

Dick

 

DICK

 

Th Xeer, was tribal laws, and Allah banned any law other than his law, this is the essence of SURRENDER TO ALLAH, laws are made by sovreigns, and Allah is the only sovreign, can you name another one? Allahu SAMAD.

 

About the education plan , it is for the creation of a moral majority in our homeland, hardworking, honest and morally superior Somalis, to that end it is working, many mistakes were committed by wadaads, but overall, the school of hardknocks has taught diligence and patience.

 

Nur

 

 

later, I received demands of more clarifications of my answers, her is my response to Dick and Asraar:

 

 

Dick

 

You are right brother, my answer was cosmetic at best for a rather important set of questions, so let me attempt the first one:

 

 

You write:

 

 

nur

 

" but where would a traditional xeer be at conflict with Sharia "

 

My Answer:

 

Bismillah

 

 

Xeer, the Somali tribal code of justice for settling differences is an age old accumulated agreements compiled as codes that most tribal followers adhere to, respect and never dare to crsoo its lines.

 

The Xeer, got this stature due to ferocious enforcement of the chiefs, anyone who dares to belittle the xeer, gets spanked, and the enforcement agency for the Xeer is the Tribal Chief whose job is conflict resolution. A joke from the Norh East goes like this: A man was angry at another man, he threatens to kill him and chases him, the victim pleads for mercy asking him to spare his life for the sake of the Prophet, and the angry man continues pursuing him, then he pleads for the sake of Allah and again, it did not help him, then the man envokes Xaaji Jaamac, the tribal Chief as his refuge, and Presto, the angry man says " Meel xun baad iga gashay"

 

The joke delivers some sobering lessons:

 

1. Xeer is a respectable law

2. Law enforcement Officer, the Chief is Sovreign, in real terms, he is the ruler of the clan, not Allah.

3. Xeer tolerates disobying Allah, but not the Tribal Chief, power center of the tribe.

 

 

Said all of that, let us answer the question:

 

Where does traditional Xeer be in conflict with Sharia?"

 

You see brother, it all depevds how we define the xeer, here are several:

 

1. A stand alone code of justice ( SAMAD)

2. An administrative directives supporting the adherence to the Sharia, the superior law of the land, an intermediate step in transmitting Allah's law for ignorant tribesmen who may not know Allah very well.

 

The first definition is clearely in conflict with the Sharia, which borrows its legitimacy from the owner of the Somalis and their habitat and everything else, his law is binding and no one is allowed to against them. Allah may allow people not to follow his law if they can find other lands, and can shed their bodies like snakes to have bodies not made by Allah.

 

The second definition is plausible with a lot of care, we have to teach our elders that the Xeer should serve as an enofrcement agency for the sharia, it needs to be amended with clauses that guarantee the sovreignty to Allah alone in every sense possible, all of the Xeer must align with the Sharia, providing a Somali Explanation of Allah's intent in any specific law, it shall act like a travel agency for an airline, the Xeer will only enforce the sharia, the Chiefs need to learn the moral of the Sharia, the engine for the Xeer, which is :

 

1. Protection of the human life ( all life, including reer Qansax's life)

2. The protection of human property ( for all)

3. The protection of Human dignity ( for All )

4. The brotherhood of all those who believe in Allah, his messenger and the day of judgemenmt.

 

Allah says in Suuratul Xadiid :

 

" We have sent our messengers with clear signs and we have furthre sent down with them the book and the criteria ( of distinction between good and bad) so mankind may uphold justice"

 

The Sharia thus is sent down for justice, and the justice has two folds:

 

A. Fairness to the creator ( repect him by obedience, and make him not equal with his creatures in no way)

B. Fairness with his creatures: Do not deny them the right to life, property and dignity.

 

So, the crux of the problem relies on how the Xeer is defined

 

 

Your second question is interesting. As the new breed of wadaads, I have learned hard lessons not to Compete with the common man I want to win his heart over for Allah in the direction he is competing:

 

1. Money

 

2. Power

 

 

My example is our prophet Muhammad SAWS, who refused all kind of power and wealth in the beginning of his mission, only to see all power and wealth come to him. My formula is winning hearts and minds for Allah, and very peacefully while doing it, if you slap me, I will not slap you back, I am under dhiker control, all my actions are remotely controlled by Allah, and the only times that I goof, it is because of Ghaflah, not rememnbering Allah in that specific instance.

 

In these troubled times, we need to make compassion, forgivenss, and caring for one another our ideals, because we have seen the other side of the fence and it is not green, a fly trying to get out of a window will die trying hundred times doing the same thing, when some thing does not work, try something different, and in our current debacle, why not give Islam a shot?

 

 

Sister ASRAAR

 

 

The wadaad is definetly different, to solve a problem, one has to rise above the level that created the problem in the first place, and the level the wadaad has risen to is the highest possible, Islam, a total surrender to the will of Allah SWT.

 

Are the wadaads living up to that lofty level?

 

I have my doubts, but at least they are working in that direction, and personally, if I am painting a house for you, I may not follow my pianting manuals and drawings very well, which may confuse you, but I would appreciate that you show me were I missed so I can paint agin, but please do not distablilize and throw me off by pulling my ladder and hiring a blindfolded painter who has only power ( temporary that is) but lacks vision to paint your house. A house built on Taqwa from day one is better.. don't you agree sister?

 

 

Nur

 

 

More angry people write back, one of them Mr (X) accuses me of raping Islam, here was my rebuttals:

 

 

To Mr (x)

 

You write:

 

" I think you are raping the religion. "

 

 

Answer:

 

Brother, anyone reasonable person who reads my post and this comment may think that you either do not know the meaning of the word RAPE, or RELIGION, I have my doubts that you are a scholar of Religion, so that leaves me have a reason to believe that your usage was not accurate. So clarify, otherwise you may not be credible in your judgement.

 

 

You Write;

 

 

" You are behaving like a politician by twisting words to get your points across. "

 

 

Answer:

 

 

Alxamdulillah that we agree that you can not trust politicians, I also think the same way about politicians, let us get better people, honest people who will rperesnt our peoples wishes without any personal stake for themselves in this present life.

 

What remains to be clarified is a proof to back up your claims, I clearly wrote that I am not in competition with you on seeking power or money, so where do you get the idea that I am lying? The only goal I have is to appeal to your conscious, which you are too scared to poen up for Allah, relax brother, I am a friend, not an enemy.

 

 

You Write:

 

"You are describing Somali Xeer or the tribal heads to be sovereigns drawing a sinister picture"

 

Aswer:

 

I am sure that you learned this surah as a kid, let us revisist and understand:

 

" Say Allah is ONE

Allah is SAMAD ( SOVREIGN)"

 

Look up your Webster dictionary for the meaning of the word SOVREIGN. After research, you will find that the word means no one has an authority over the SOVREIGN.

 

The Sovreign MUST own a DOMINION, and Allah owns the UNIVERSE, let me know who is challenging this statement.

 

The Sovreign by virtue of his ownership of his Dominion , passes laws.

 

Examples are:

 

1. The Law of Moses ( Towraat) the ten commandments.

 

2. The Law of Jesus ( Enjil)

 

3. The Law of Quraan.

 

 

This law is superior to any law before, and after. It is in effect and people have the right to disobey, and Allah has the right to punish, in this life and the the next.

 

So, make your move.

 

 

You write:

 

 

" The only think clear from here is the ambition of Ikhwans to call the shots. Your group is only interested in power and are in a mission to discredit and finally destroy other power bases"

 

 

Brother:

 

You are intoxicated with POWER. Why no try humility for a change, like living a simple life, helping the poor orphans and widows, teaching Quraan to the ignorant, counselling troubled teens to be better citizens, helping people live a decent life, advising them against Qat, Alcohol, wild parties, murder, lies, and instead instill in them Good characters ( Akhlaaq) of trustworhiness, truth in speech, dependability etc, some of what the wadaads are attempting to do if you let them.

 

 

The wadaad, is attempting to carry you on his back to safetyland in the next life by teaching you to live good in this life following Allah's commands, and you want to bite the wadaad, you can kill him, but you will not stay behind for long, and by then, the truth will surface, and it will be too late, there is no UNDO button in Aakhira, Microsoft Corporation products do not operate in that environment.

 

 

You write;

 

" I cannot start a full diatribe now for I do not have time but I will be back"

 

Answer

 

I can not wait the thriller.

 

 

Nur

 

 

Now Dick and I are getting closer, but still emotions are high. Here is my answer to his concerns;

 

 

quote]

On 2003-02-04 00:06, DICK wrote:

 

ok how about the other question about an ikhwaan government. i dont think you gave me reply on that apart from srcatching the surface. just explain to me and the rest of us here .....how an Ikhwaan government would govern the land. And please be specific and detailed if possible. and please find comparison with past and present islamic government.eg the talibans,saudis,iranian or pakistanis or the

malay/indonasians.or any other past islamic government.And please specify what effect such government would have on somalis and the world at large. and finally why would such government would be better than any other non islamic government. "

 

 

Dear DICK

 

When your car is stuck in mud, sometime going back, can help you go forward. Somalis do not have a central government, but they do have governments, if you read my Diatribe on Somalia System 91.0 System Development, on these boards, you can notice how I view the current state of affairs, sarcastically.

 

So let us go back, the question that worries most people is how can a religious people run a government. We shall visit that, the second is, Religion and politics should be separated, we will also visit that topic too, but let me share with you how I see this issue of Sharia in the present circumstances. I believe, without some wisdom, we can be our own enemies.

 

 

A sister asked me on another thread the need to enforce the stoning of the adulterer clause in the Sharia in our country today, here was my response, please read and reflect, In my next post, you will be ready for my asnwers, here is the text of my response:

 

 

Islam is a wholesome way of life, it was completed at the time of prophet Muhammad SAWS. Later, the years that followed, Islam as a community, witnessed blossoming, and then slow death that many are betting that it is all over today.

 

The first community of Islam were persecuted in Makkah, they fled to Medina and found sympathy among the people of Medina who supported this new faith and gave it a launching pad.

 

It was in Medina that the laws of stoning were reconfirmed, as the Jews who lived in Medina had the same law in their holy books ( read Suuratul Maaedah). When I say the laws were reconfirmed , I mean that the laws of Moses were binding until Muhammad SAWS appeared, at that point, the new prophet through divine revelation, had the choice to either abolish or sustain that law. ( the law was sustained)

 

Early in the last Century, The Caliphate, represented by Sultan Abdul Hamid of Turkey was dismantled and a new secular Turkey identifying itself with Europe was born. In a way, the last nail was hammered on the coffin of the Islamic Nation that lasted for 1400 years. Afterwards, nation- states were born and the European nations inherited much of the inheritance of this dead Caliph.

 

Holland Taking Indonesia, and the rest divided in the Berlin Conference that pretty much feasted on the world map as its rightful colonies. As Somalis, we became the property of three colonial masters, The British, Italians and the French. Because of that division, today, we eat fish and chips, spaghetti, and chocolate soufflé respectively. So you can see how united we are as a nation.

 

The last century witnessed the rebirth of Islam, after many Muslim intellectuals dusted out our lost heritage and realized the extent of damage done to our existence as a viable faith and a message for mankind.

 

These intellectuals, from Pakistan to Tunis, called for the rebirth of Islam as a state, not merely as a religion. Because unlike Christianity, Islam was formulated from the beginning as a state for the faithful. The proof of this statement resides in the Library of Congress, not in the card catalogue, but on the Main Dome roof as you walk in, look up the Main Dome Roof to see ISLAM engraved on the roof next to France and Britain as a state among states. A living and a fair testament America is offering the Muslim world for a lasting recognition.

 

Today, Islam is going through tumultuous times to reestablish itself, however, the times have changed not in the sense of technology, but in the sense, that, both Christianity and Judaism, our sister religions have been marginalized and are no longer religions for social change, and Islam is expected to follow suit.

 

Based on that quick background, many Islamic activists who want to reestablish Islam as a state for the faithful differ greatly, just as the Jews who have established Israel have differed on the creation of Israel, each one of them interpreting it his own way.

 

But the Jews ( as a faith and nation ) got their state when Britain's Balfour Declaration gave the Jews Palestine after the holocaust and the fundamentalist Jews were forced to go with the secular interpretation of the creation of Israel.

 

So today Muslims are living in nation states, grouped along geographical and ethnic lines, not faith. The laws of these nations are secular in nature with some honor mentioning of Islam as the official religion of the state, in most so called constitutions. The practical laws of these nations are the European colonial laws, like the French law, which ironically have borrowed some laws from the Hanafi school of thought, specially in the inheritance law.

 

In light of that background, and the fact that Islam as a legal entity is disenfranchised, taking the Islamic law into ones hands will portray Islam very badly to an audience that is in dire need for it.

 

Applying part of Islamic laws in makeshift courts, will alienate those who are sympathetic to Islam, because the beauty of Islam resides in its enforcement of Islamic laws as a WHOLESOME and COMPLETE jurisprudence, not selective pieces and parts.

 

The laws of Islam can only be enforced within a community that is willing to abide by the moral of the law before the letter of the law, and we all know, that such a community, does not exisit today, even if it exists in a geographical terms, it does not yet have the international community mandate or understanding that it needs to declare such a sovereign state.

 

We are thus in changing times, and as times change, we are suddenly finding ourselves again in old Mecca township and village setting, a small world after all, indeed.

 

And as such, we as Muslims have to deal with this new reality wisely by looking into the early Meccan period and the persecutions of the faithful and the Divine strategy of focusing their attention on the spiritual aspect and prayers and not on wars, retaliation and revenge, even when when unjustly attacked, Allah says:

 

( stop retaliating and establish regular prayers) Quraan.

 

In conclusion, Islam today governs the individual, not the community, so, up until a willing community which can best represent Islam in all spheres of life is born, applying the Islamic law may not serve the best interests of Islam. A spare part for a Ford, will not work on a GM.

 

 

Nur

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Dalmar, the chief debator for the Secularists finally had this to say:

 

Nur,

 

 

I will be practical, fair and serious at the same time and hope those who are lurking my comments will learn from Nationalist critic viewpoint.

 

First: No one is rejecting Islamic religion or its rules.

 

Second: We are all Muslims though some are real hypocrites whom carry the name of Islam only.

 

Third, my points will be based on historic misdeeds that Ikhwaan wahabis commits in the name of deen and never dare to correct it

 

 

Now, there is Somali adage saying: Dadku waa wadaad iyo waranle. Another Somali proverb was saying if wadaad's added to women's world then they can outnumber the male’s world!!!

 

I believe the the two adages are true and fair in the context of current Somali world (excluded Sayid and Axmed Gurey stand whom really fought well their believe in rare bravery and vision)

 

 

Let’s present my comments on the thread by saying Somali wadaad's has presence in the following spheres in our Somali contemporary lifes with fair credit:

 

1. Teaching Islam. They did good job where thousand of malcaamad were established across Somalia beside schools. That was good move though few might manipulated for their ends. Overall picture is not that bad. My younger brother graduated from one of their schools and I liked the way he read Quran and sunnah let alone behaves in house. He is really Xaafid reading very nice Tajwiid

 

2. Relief Organization:

 

No Somali group has played a positive role in this regard than wadaads. They earned the trust of Somali donors in west. After the collapse of said regime they really did good job by helping the poor in rare dedication. I can say they would do better had they had better organization, vision and leadership.

 

3. Sponsoring Poor and orphans,

 

Here in Wellington as well as Muslim centers you can see easily group of Somali wadaads who internationalize the plight of our people. Since we pay all kind of donation to all Muslim causes it was good to see a group of wadaad's representing the Somali case. Despite their disunity among their ranks, disorganization and competing nonsense mantra for most of the time, they were able to present Somali people plight in fair manner.

 

4. Education and healthcare delivery

 

I visited couple of times to Bosaaso and Galkacyo as well as Hargeysa and Burco and else where Somalia, I found their contribution of this area vary from one region to another. While you feel their strong presence in Bari you find mixed results in Mudug as well as woqooyi Galbeed.

 

The rest of Somalia is the same track though I know Mogadishu may be their stronghold in education and outpatient clinics. But again, they lack organization skills and nation thinking in Somalia.

 

Economic impact;

 

Somali ikhwans succeeded and captured the magic of Somali baby business spirit but fail to capitalize for their cause if they had any. From Bari to Berbera to Mogadishu all the way to southland you find them in control the business cycle machine but their fragmented nature make them fail to niche Somali marketplace. Their economic power serve no national purpose and you feel as they are enjoying only as capitalist thinking aspect. There is neither long-term vision nor serious planing of merging or acquisition in their own region to create economic powerhouse that benefit the Somali society.

 

Moreover, they couldn't able to serve the poor as message of Islam demand them loud and clear. Still Somali baby economy with the good return on investment didn't address the in equality among the ranks of wadaads let alone Somali wayn. I see them very fragmented and fragile let alone very selfish in nature were suppose they set a good example. Look I’m talking here in general terms. Otherwise common sense dictate good persons who defy the norms of any scale measurement.

 

That was some summary of socio-economic impact they make it.

 

 

What is their political impact rather Blunder?

 

The answer is NIL.

 

Despite their sheer number (millions) across Somalia, they fail to visualize the message of Islam. Instead they damage the image of Islam by practicing all kind of short-lived agenda, tribalism and alliance with local Somali warlords. And this is my serious critic on this group.

 

Dear reader, whenever disaster happen in this world there is a thorough investigation of what went wrong. Then society is informed in plain language the result of investigation and someone in the organization will heed the blame for letting this to happen. Then better reorganization, solution and direction is recommended let alone adhered to.

 

Somali ikhwans have military and political blunders and it seems, as the elephant in house no one want to talk about.

 

My prove?

 

a) They went war in Bari were they swept overnight all over Bari and Garowe and part of mudug. Within hrs they captured their staunchest archenemy Abdullaahi Yusuf. If they were truthful they would cut the head of the guy or negotiate with his release with better deal. In this critical war situation instead, their leaders simply betrayed their comrades. What follows next is everyone's guessing game. The young ikhwans was defeated quickly and slaughtered as sheep had been slaughtered in slaughterhouse.

 

I was there at the time and know the detail of this betrayal. I saw my immediate family being slaughtered and been refused to bury their corpses. I know the deal these ****** ikhwan traitors did with ina ayeeyo and his groups. My immediate family buried more than dozen of my cousins after days of begging Abdullaahi Yusuf and Mohamed Abshir Haman who today live lavishly in MN, USA. This blunder was preventable and manageable but this cowardice ikhwan chose to betray these young men and left them in dark to find them this betrayal later.

 

Then the blunder continues and fighting continues from lasqorey I watched everyday, inayeeyo soldiers inability to dislodge ikhwan from Lasqorey. While inayeeyo was ready to give up and felt been defeated, again the same ikhwaan leaders betrayed their masses in Lasqorey. For what cost. To save their families from the wrath of Abdullaahi Yusuf? No but to keep their elegance to their tribal leader live and strong!!!. These leaders were non other than my family and they chose to serve their tribal interest more than their ikwan message. Then overnight Ikhwans has become history and I still remember the laughing and crying of my relative on this situation.

 

Did anyone Ikhwan ask why? Hell NO. All of them are disremembering collectively this holocust and surprising the same ***** tribalist leaders today read for them Bukhari and Muslim let alone lead them to this moment into unknown.

 

Kismayo war blunder

 

When civil mayhem erupted we ran to Kismayo, and ikhwan as usual tried to organize themselves. Overcourse of four months they become a powerhouse and soon face warlord Aidid. Somewhere close to kismayo ikhwan face to face Aidid group. Ikhwan was defeated though they put strong fight. I was told all ikhwans across Somalia rejected to help them accusing them defending Tribe. Again no independent investigation was conducted nor lessons were learned.

 

Gedo Case

 

Another political and military tragic blunder is Gedo case!!!.

 

Ikhwan in Gedo was able to run the show in Luq for sometime. But where is Luq today from the Somali map? Axmara was not only the force that destroyed their save haven. Their same tribalist leaders destroyed again Luuq City. They first led smear campaign then they forced to give up Luuq. Wixii muxajabo la duukhaaley Allah umbaa og the day they were defeated. For those in Gedo they tried to put a fight but as usual the rest of ikhwan was clapping for their warlords and their sultan more than their breathers. Did any ikhwan do any thorough investigation? No way. As usual they accepted the lies and deception as their comrades was killed, maimed and destroyed without vision

 

 

Ikhwan in Hargeysa/Burco

 

There is a group of Waxda in Hargeysa who fail to distinquish themselves from SNM thugs, warlord Cigaal chess game and Riyaale NSS regime. Everywhere I see them they are telling you that they want Islamic rule while in fact they are working hard not happen Islamic rule. Can any ikhwan defend that? I doubt that.

 

 

Ikhwan in Bari/Mudug/Garowe

 

Today, Ikhwan in my regions are either ina ayeeyo supporters or Jamac cali camp. There r no national vision at all though in the afternoon you see them listening Bukhari and Muslim and tafsiir. During so-called warlord inayeeyo election I was surprised the magnitude and euphoria of ikhwan support of ina ayeeyo. Cidduu Allaah dulleeyo axad kaaraameeynayo ma jirto.

 

 

Ikhwan in Mogadishu

 

Muse yalaxow was one day shariif student and today he is leading his tribe to dead end. Ina Aidid soldiers today are former ikhwans. Cusman caato, qanyare etc. all are enjoying rare full support of former internationalist ikhwans. Gedo and kismayo are the same.

 

 

Why is that?

 

Ikhwan, fail to market the message of Islam. They love worldly stuff and that’s why they betrayed each other. They don’t have the following:

 

 

Visionary honest leaders

 

Strategic planing

 

Reasonable timeline.

 

 

Today, no longer you hear Islamic khilafa is their agenda & circles. They are loyal to their tribes more than their Islam. Otherwise billaa calayk why there is no ambitious of Islamic state and sincere effort in this regard. Moreover, why they failed to correct their political/military blunders for long time.

 

 

PS. I saw a group of sheekhals who claim to be real ikhwans. Their scam is beyond reach. I knew them in Saudi Caraabiya when I was xamaali in Kiilo sabca. They are more harmful than the above group but cleverer in stealing money and defaming Somali name. But after all, both groups are ikhwans who fail to market the message of Islam correctly

 

 

Dalmar

 

Somali Nationalist Solider

NZ

 

 

And My quick answer:

 

 

It was worth the wait, like great food, once served, I don't know where to start, thanks for your well thought out writeup, you have painted a picture many viewers may have not seen, and like they say, you will never understand someone until you wear their shoes, and walk a mile in them, by then, you have their shoes on, and you are a mile away (lol)

 

 

DALMAR

 

My first observation of your writeup is the romantisism with violence which is written all over the post, and contradictory with your search for peace and harmony.

 

You say that the wadaads are viewed like women in Somali culture because they do not steal camel, raid other tribes, nor kill innocent people. If that categorizes women and Wadaads to be inferior, count me with them, I am on their side, and I would like to be with the company of the weak and poor and the helpless and the outcasts as prophetr Muhammad SAWS loved Bilaal, Salaman, Suhaib, theree slaves of Ethipian, Persian and Roman origins as his brothers, the prophet SAWS was reported as saying.

 

" Axibbuu Al masaakinaa wa jaalisuuhum"

 

Love the poor, and sit with them"

 

and then, you paint another picture, of Wadaads fighting, but being ****** for releasing Abdullahi Yusuf when they could have dicapitated him rising easily to rule Bari, now I am lost, are you advocating the continuation of revenge and mayhem, by making wadaads mad and angry to go out and kill like other factions, or are you accusinng them for sheer ********* ?

 

Unlike the common Somali, the wadaad have to operate and function while considering the following :

 

1. Allah

2. Family ties ( Raxim), he does nnot want harm for them

3. Livelihood, but only halaal income

4. Islamic probogation

5. human nature ( Nafsul ammaara) they are no saints to be held as infallible ( macsuum) creatures.

6. Satan.

7. Limited knowledge of political trick-o-treat and lies that comes with the political territory.

8. External enemies

 

 

As you can see, it is tough to solve such an equation and come out clean, don't you agree?

 

Measuring the most trivial of their accomplishments in your eyes, ( Your brother Reading Quraan with Tajweed) against all these obstacles, I must admit, it is indeed a great achievement. One letter of Quraan weigh much heavier in Allah's eyes than power and politics.

 

 

Overall, I agree with you that they have done some good and some wrong, and that makes them humans like you and me, let us measure all with one yardstick, that way , we can see the difference, and similiraties and then begin to understand them which paves the way for our sympathy and reproachment.

 

 

Your wrap up of the Ikhwan activities in all regions was interesting, I also think that the current affairs of the wadaads leaves a lot to be desired, and here lies the wisdom of carrying the torch and correcting their mistakes as a brother, not as an fighting them as an adversary, thus eroding all the positive work that you have mentioned.

 

 

You see brother, the western world is developed due to institutions, laws and controls, set to make the sysytem work, because the people in the west wanted it that way, they are not fleeing anywhere like us and they are not seeking refuge in Africa, so they learned to live together by upholding a law.

 

The most prestigious of Americans are the lawyers. But because the law is is man made, it looks like swiss cheese, it has alot of loopholes, 20% of the rich finance elections to control law makers and that is where you see injustice. But they have a system at least.

 

In contrast, Allah revealed to us a law to live with, a law that is complete and that guarantees happiness in this life and happiness in th elife to come, we complain fo hardships when we have hurt ourselves by not obeying Allahs laws, as a result , we became worthless because we neither have the western law, nor Allahs law, so we fall between cracks, we lost good life on earth, and we do not have a better chance than the Gaalo.

 

And our people, love baashing Our Wadaads who settle disputes by the law of the Sharia calling them worthjless and as impotent as women, which is another negative remark on our society that women are seen as inferior, which is wrong, According to Islam, women are complimentary to men, not a slave nor an adversary.

 

So, until we learn to go by the book, all the book, and nothing but the book, we will miss both worlds, and be real munaafiqs who Allah referred to as :

 

" Laa ilaa haa ulaa, walaa ilaa haa ulaa"

 

They are not with those ( gaalo), nor with the others ( miulsims)"

 

 

I have a lot in mind, and I have to go, I will be back on these boards after Eid,

 

 

EID MUBAARAK TO ALL

 

 

Till then

 

May Allah guide us all to the write path

 

Amin

 

 

Walaalkiin

 

Nur

 

 

I received more responses centering on preserving Somali culture which is threatened by Islamic culture and Arabs. Here are some of my replies:

 

On 2003-02-06 06:53, Anonymous wrote:

Nur,

 

I accept and respect your position that is giving the least bit about Somali culture."

 

 

When it comes to Somali Culture versus Islam, you bet, I give priority to Islam, if Islam is your least of priorities, YOU will get burned not me pal, so wake up, you are need to focus of what really counts. How is Somali Culture going to help you in the Day of judgement? you think that the dead wear Guntiino?

 

 

You write;

 

 

" You see we are not concerned about it but we see you destroying it."

 

Answer:

 

This statement is contradictory in terms, how can you see something dear to you being destroyed and be indifferent, it beats me.

 

 

You write:

 

 

" There are people who are concerned about their culture. "

 

Answer:

 

Good for them, let them make sure that it is line with Islam, otherwise, it will be their nightmare when they die.

 

 

You write:

 

 

"You know the funny thing, todays the wadaads want to keep the past previlage of being a religious person and not to be attacked but at the same time wants to interfere with politics and the social realm. You come out and you must be ready for some burning."

 

 

Answer:

 

I did not know that politics is reserved for ungodly people alone, anything that touches my life, or my wallet, better conform to Islam, otherwise I am not accepting it, period.

 

If politics is dirty, why do you get involved, if it is noble and good, why exclude the wadaad? are you unsecure, thinking that if the people are given a choice they would follow the wadaad? apply what youy champion, freedom mof speech, let the wadaad say his word without being killed by a maniac anarchist.

 

You've touched my nerve, I was out leaving, then I see your unsigned note, but I shall come back with more convicing argument before the death angle serves you your last notice, Allah owns you and me and everyhthing, he has a say on how we live, so do not rule Quraan out, his word is binding and the wadaads are trying to educate you, bite them and you will be bitten, by force majeure.

 

Nur

 

 

I responded to curiosity:

 

 

"

On 2003-02-17 07:57, Anonymous wrote:

Brother Nur

 

if you donot mind me asking where you from and what do you do? Are you a member of an islamic org. And are you married? If this is personal just say so.

thanks

"

 

 

Answer:

 

1. No I do not mind being asked any question, I only reserve the righjt to answer.

 

2. Where I am from? This is a tough question for the following reasons.

 

a. If I say I am from a particular geographical area, mathematicians on these boards will use the infromation to supply the Global Positionins System Satellite about my coordinates and before I finish my preacing mission, I become part of the problem, not what I wanted to be , which is to be part of the solution.

 

2. Your second question is rather easier, I am part of the Ummah, or the follwers of Muaxammad SAWS, and I follow the Sunnah as a method of faith in life, I am moderate in all issues, I shun extremes, knowing that Allah said, ( Wa jacalnaakum ummatan wasatan) ( we have made you a moderate nation) The Quraan is my constitution, The Sunnah is the Executive Engine for the Quraan, the membesr are all who accept the principle of Tawheed everywhere, including Jinn.

 

3. The last question is interesting, but if you do not mind, I am curious, why do you ask?

 

 

You owe me one answer, and I am eager to hear from you.

 

 

Walaalkaa

 

Nur

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It may be interesting to read again yesterdays discussions to see how fare we came along, the past, present and future are all connected, its only when we lose sight of the connection that we hastely make a regrettable move. Enjoy the read again

 

 

Here is a predictive statement i wrote back in 2002-3

 

My example is our prophet Muhammad SAWS, who refused all kind of power and wealth in the beginning of his mission, only to see all power and wealth come to him. My formula is winning hearts and minds for Allah, and very peacefully while doing it, if you slap me, I will not slap you back, I am under dhiker control, all my actions are remotely controlled by Allah, and the only times that I goof, it is because of Ghaflah, not rememnbering Allah in that specific instance.

 

 

Nur

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