ONLF officially surrenders

[maakhiri1]

3 hours ago, Old_Observer said:

maakhiri1,

How about the Somali?

 Very soon we will.

 

how much money/time was spent programming Abdi Illey? was another Tigrey soul taken over his Somali body like Men in Black?

 

how many more like him are under program?

[Old_Observer]

Conditions and situations create/raise men. He is a product of the Somali situation in Ethiopia at a cross road. It was bound to happen someone will lead in one and the other in the other forked road.

Hopefully time will come soon as you said, where Illey will be thanked for taking the risk and also criticized for his tactics, but fairly and objectively.

 

As said its the condition that brought him and millions have agreed with him. No fake number throwing, but majority at this time agree with him.

In such a big population 7 million/6.3 from central statistics, and every clan and subclan of Somali, you are bound to have differences.

[galbeedi]

As Farah Macalin said, now is not the time to make a deal. Ethiopia is getting weak by the year and may disintegrate sooner than later.

 

 

If these tribal meeting between Illey and his cousins, then must be treated as such, but if this is ONLF, then they should not make any deal at this stage.

 

I know General Gabre said, " I wish Meles would see this " but we are not amused.

 

The war between Ormo and Somalis are over, and we turned the tide. As we speak , there was a collective demonstration done together by Somalis and Oromos in Dire-Dawa. Through our campaign and that of the " Jidwaaq' community , we stopped at the moment the TPLF and Illey campaign to saw death and destruction among friends.

 

Diridhawa(SBN)Wararka naga soo gaadhaya ayaa sheegaya in mudaharaad balaadhan oo lagaga soo horjeedo dawlada Federaalka Ethiopia uu ka dhacay magaalada Diridhaba mudaharaadkan ayaa noqonya kii ugu horeeyay ee kadhaca caasimada labaad ee dalka kaas oo sida la sheegay iska hor imaad dhex maray ciidamada Booliska Fedaraalka iyo dadka Mudaharaadayay waxaana inta la ogyahay ku geeriyooday laba qof oo ay haleeshay Rasaas nool nool oo loo adeegsaday

Dhinaca kale waxa la sheegay in markii ugu horsysay mudaharaadka ay di wadajir ah uga wada qayb qaateen Oramada iyo Somalida oo iyagu wada daga magaalada

Xaalada Guud ee Ethiopia ayaa ah mid aan daganayn mudooyinkan danbe kacdoono badana kaga furmeen meelo badan oo dalka ah meelaha qaarkoodna aanay dawlada dhexe katalin ama tagiba karin diyaarado mooyee

 

These hundred years ols land issue will not be resolved by Illey and his stooges.

 

Also, the time has come to rebuild Western Somali liberation Front (WSLF) to prepare for the future take over of the region. We Somalis must be proactive, we can start the process now and create a movement in the diaspora that could take over the country as soon as the TPLF goes down.

 

Somalis who feared for their life went to Jinacsani the Oromo Zone and were welcomed.

 

 

 

We are joining with our Oromo brothers.

 

[maakhiri1]

Well said Faraah Moalin.

[Old_Observer]

The only hing that needs to stop is fighting. Everything else to your hearts content.

 

That Illey and cousins thing is the lowest of the low. When one has a million things to be critical, using the worst kind shows weakness and incapacity to be positive replacement. Its easy to find worst than Illey, but the main thing should always be find someone better.

 

This kind of trash politics is harmful for let alone to rebuild WSLF can't even build a sub-clan organization. You cannot have an organization of few friends to last a month talking about cousins.

 

This is so low, I am shocked you find it sensible to quote or post.

 

 

[maakhiri1]

1 hour ago, Old_Observer said:

The only hing that needs to stop is fighting. Everything else to your hearts content.

 

That Illey and cousins thing is the lowest of the low. When one has a million things to be critical, using the worst kind shows weakness and incapacity to be positive replacement. Its easy to find worst than Illey, but the main thing should always be find someone better.

 

This kind of trash politics is harmful for let alone to rebuild WSLF can't even build a sub-clan organization. You cannot have an organization of few friends to last a month talking about cousins.

 

This is so low, I am shocked you find it sensible to quote or post.

 

 

 

 

Why are you all of sudden the peace loving man, when your regime has been mercilessly killing  innocent people for decades? you reap what you sow.

[Old_Observer]

40 minutes ago, maakhiri1 said:

 

 

Why are you all of sudden the peace loving man, when your regime has been mercilessly killing  innocent people for decades? you reap what you sow.

Never advocated for war with anyone against anyone between anyone.

Maybe you might have seen posts for advocating for order.

 

maakhiri1,

And in worst case lets say I advocated a village of this against a village of that a region or tribe against that..Shouldn't you be pleased there is one less person advocating for peace?

[Old_Observer]

23 hours ago, maakhiri1 said:

 Very soon we will.

 

how much money/time was spent programming Abdi Illey? was another Tigrey soul taken over his Somali body like Men in Black?

 

how many more like him are under program?

And here is the other side of the argument:

https://www.jigjigaherald.com/2018/02/12/onlf-what-is-the-point-in-talking-to-an-organization-that-is-in-total-shambles/

In that context, what is mystifying is the wisdom of trying to reach a deal with an organization that is almost politically nonexistent, has no combat capability and doesn’t control any territory not to mention its obsolete ideas that failed to get traction among the Somali masses no to mention the fact that it is an organizationally that is in total shambles.

[galbeedi]

Well, general Gabre want to disarm everyone except the Wayaane. 

 

If they a worthless organization that is in "total shambles" why bother to negotiate. Now is not the time for talks. The ONLF must sit down with Oromo and Amhara opposition. The puppet government of Desalyn is going down as the days go by. THey want to organize the Somali movements and use them against the opposition.

 

Oromo is rising and we should rise with. We are working together in Dire Dawa already. We do not know about these TPLF boys. We do not share any land or regions. At least we may meet some Amhara in Dire Dawa or other places, but we have no contacts with evil highlanders from Makale.

 

Let them defend themselves since they have all the weapons.

 

Soomaalidu Xaabo tigreegu dabka ku shido noqon mayno. As they say, Down with Wayaane. 

 

 

[Old_Observer]

galbeedi,

 

I am afraid to say to you that you are completely misreading the situation and reality. You are being driven by just getting rid of what is there.

Why not listen to those that were released from prison.

 

That will give you information from all sides.

 

You have wrong understanding who has options and who doesn't who is better prepared and who is least prepared. You can have good feel from your Amhara friends as well. That will give you better picture of the situation.

 

Some may have been given an ultimatum and they do not like it already. If it goes the way of Yugoslavia who is slovenia, who is bosnia, who is serbia needs to be considered.

Its in this way you may have to try and consider ONLF.

[Suldaanka]

6 hours ago, galbeedi said:

Well, general Gabre want to disarm everyone except the Wayaane. 

 

If they a worthless organization that is in "total shambles" why bother to negotiate. Now is not the time for talks. The ONLF must sit down with Oromo and Amhara opposition. The puppet government of Desalyn is going down as the days go by. THey want to organize the Somali movements and use them against the opposition.

 

Oromo is rising and we should rise with. We are working together in Dire Dawa already. We do not know about these TPLF boys. We do not share any land or regions. At least we may meet some Amhara in Dire Dawa or other places, but we have no contacts with evil highlanders from Makale.

 

Let them defend themselves since they have all the weapons.

 

Soomaalidu Xaabo tigreegu dabka ku shido noqon mayno. As they say, Down with Wayaane. 

 

 

 

 

Amhara don't need you, neither the Oromos. However, the TPLF need you politically - not so much militarily, in order to ward off the more numerous challengers. Therefore it is a very simple logical conclusion. 

 

One thing is for certain that folks like yourself would rather turn a blind eye to. And that is Ethiopia will remain Ethiopia regardless of whether TPLF rule or new Derg make a return. The powers that be would not want to see otherwise. In fact, the powers that be will be willing to commit whatever it takes, including military intervention to keep Ethiopia the way it is. 

 

Therefore, I would suggest Somalis to fully jump on the TPLF bandwagon and help keep the status-quo and in return demand big change in the way Ethiopia sees Somali region's development. 

 

The alternative is very dire, specially Oromo coming to power. 

[Old_Observer]

^Never considered that would be a factor.

 

I always think that galbeedi is just so disappointed by what transpired in past decades and he thinks anything is better than current situation.

 

I have told him that ONLF all these years have never worked a single day with OLF.

galbeedi,

Diredawa I hope you understand is one of the issues with ONLF. According to ONLF the Somali kilil should not accept Diredawa to be federal, because the Oromo will take it if that is the case.

 

 

[Holac]

Somalis need allies and I am sorry to say but Oromo, a group that is hell bent on seizing Somali villages because they think it belongs to them is not going to be our natural allies. 

 

[cadnaan1]

 

[Old_Observer]

Bad news, but not too bad. The meeting itself guarantees that ONLF will not do anything to negatively affect the situation.

The news itself was big plus. Made others think what can happen in a hurry. ONLF don't seem to leave some issues at the door step. Wrong approach thinking that Illey needs them more than they need him and trying to squeeze the kilil to do something that cannot be done now.

 

They will keep talking and the changes in Ethiopia may help.