Reality Check Posted January 14, 2004 Originally posted by Mobb_Deep: oh how did I miss this post. What is worse than opinionated's little comments is that when people disagree, some dudes (maybe admirers, maybe friends) come to her rescue as if this is some kind of a popularity contest on which hero can save her best na'mean. I'm sorry but I can't help but laugh at that comment. You aren't entitled to like my posts or comments but you don't have to disrespect me with comments like that. How old are you anyway? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N.O.R.F Posted January 14, 2004 "Where Is Your God Now?" A Personal Account of Police Terror "After this incident happened that you will read about below, I am ashamed to call myself British, because I learnt that there is no such thing as a ‘British Muslim’. You cannot be ‘British’ and ‘Muslim’ at the same time, because Britain is engaged in a War Against Islam. The account below was my reward for being ‘British’ and obeying the law of the land for my entire life. " Before I begin this account, I would like to say that I am a British Muslim in my twenties. My father came to the UK in the 1960’s and worked for over 30 years as a Government Civil Servant. I was born in the UK, I underwent all my Primary and Secondary Education in the UK. I went to university in the UK. Prior to this incident, I had had no previous dealings with the Police. I had never been arrested or cautioned. I had never seen the inside of a Police cell. To date, I have not even had points on my Driving Licence! I had a clean record; the same was true for all members of my immediate family. After this incident happened that you will read about below, I am ashamed to call myself British, because I learnt that there is no such thing as a ‘British Muslim’. You cannot be ‘British’ and ‘Muslim’ at the same time, because Britain is engaged in a War Against Islam. The account below was my reward for being ‘British’ and obeying the law of the land for my entire life. Morning 02 December 2003 05:40 I was asleep upstairs when I heard a loud bang which woke up me and my wife. I immediately got out of bed and went to the window. When I looked out, I saw about 15 men who looked like Riot Police, shouting ‘Police!’ and running towards my door. Within seconds, they had broken the front door and ran up the stairs into my bedroom. Since the lights were off, each of these policemen had torches with them. As they approached me in my bedroom (I was standing with my back to the window), I put my hands straight up in the air. They were wearing blue helmets, body armour, large boots and thick, padded gloves. Immediately, one of the policemen began to punch my head with his padded gloves and they began shouting, “Get down! Get on the floor, you f***ing b**ard, you f***ing c**t!” They pushed me around a bit (my wife later told me that they smashed either my head or another part of my body against the upstairs window, which shattered the pane, but I was unaware of this at the time), then they forced me down to the floor, on my front and six or seven policemen surrounded me. I am thin and tall: each policeman was twice the size of me, and that’s excluding their equipment. All of a sudden, they began to hit me all over my body. One policeman was repeatedly punching the right-hand side of my head, around the ear. Another was punching the left-hand side of my head, around the ear and left-eye. Another was punching my head from the top. Another was punching my neck. Another was punching my legs. [i am assuming that they were punching me, but it may have been strikes with batons; I was obviously unaware of what they were hitting me with.] Within the space of a few seconds, they must have hit me about 30 times on my head and 20 times on the rest of the body. [My wife later told me that she was shouting at them, “What are you doing?” She also said that I was shouting at them, “Stop hitting me!”] During this initial beating, one of the policemen searched for my private area with his hands, grabbed and pulled. After this assault of a couple of minutes, it was only then that one of them asked me to confirm my name and then he said that I was under arrest under the Terrorism Act 2000, accused of the Commission, Preparation or Instigation of an Act or Acts of Terror. [The odd thing is that they assaulted me first and then asked questions to verify who I was.] They then pushed me to the floor again, on my front, and put handcuffs on my hands behind my back. This was when the real pain began and I began to scream. They left the cuffs on slightly loose, deliberately and then began to pull, push, twist, drag and slide the cuffs on my wrists until I would scream in pain. Whilst I was screaming, they were laughing and making fun of me. The pain on the wrists made me temporarily forget about the pain on other parts of the body. They then stood me up, pushed my head down and marched me downstairs. During this, they repeatedly stood on my toes with their large boots, and punched and kneed my legs, especially my right-thigh. They took me downstairs. Downstairs, we have a wooden laminate flooring and then one carpeted room. We do not wear shoes in the carpeted room because we pray there; hence all shoes were on the laminate, outside the carpeted room. They took me into the downstairs room, sarcastically asking, “Are we allowed shoes in here?” They all entered the room and I heard some things being smashed about by the policemen. They kicked away the floor cushions with their dirty boots and took me to a corner of the room, where they made me kneel down in a prostrate position. They then all began to laugh at me whilst I was in that position and say, “Where is your god now? Pray to Him! You’re in prayer now!” They were sneering and laughing. Then, one of the policemen said, “Search him!” [i was wearing a thin t-shirt on top and a thin pair of legging-type pyjamas on the bottom]. They then lay me down on my front again, pulled down my bottoms in order to expose me and the perverts began to feel and touch their hands everywhere in order to ‘search’ me. Throughout this ordeal, they were twisting the handcuffs until I would scream in pain and they would laugh. They marched me outside the room (at this point, my throat was very dry, perhaps due to screaming, and I could feel blood in my throat), made me wear some flip flops and took me outside my house: all the time, swearing at me, punching me, stepping on my toes and twisting my handcuffs. Outside the house, one of them shouted, “How many are going in the van?” Another replied, “Three.” They took me into a minibus-type van (van with windows and seats in the back) and lay me face down on the floor in the aisle, with my head towards the back of the bus. At least two, and perhaps three policemen entered the back of the van with me: one sat near my head, one was near my legs and I think a third was near the middle. [i cannot remember the exact number as I was face down all the time.] As they got me on the floor, one of them gave me a few solid punches to my back and kidneys, then proceeded to twist my handcuffs until I screamed. Another one stood on my crossed ankles with his boots and pushed them against the metal legs of the bus seats. He also did the same with my knees: squeezing my knees against the metal legs until I screamed. As the van drove off, they were continually swearing at me and twisting my handcuffs until I screamed. A few minutes later, the policemen near my head positioned himself and grabbed my neck with both arms, in a headlock, and he strangled me tightly until I could not breathe. He kept this hold for a few seconds and then released it, making me gasp for breath. The feeling was similar to one who is drowning and desperately fighting to breathe. That policeman who did this, then said to me, “You’ll remember this day for the rest of your f***ing life, do you understand me, you f***ing b***ard?” They then continued to twist my cuffs and push my knees against the metal. A few minutes later, the same policemen got my neck in a vice-like grip and strangled me again. This second time, he squeezed so tightly and for so long, that I thought that something was going to happen to me. My eyes rolled to the top of my head and inside my head, I thought that my moment of death had come. The attempted murderer then released me and I gasped for breath, almost passing out. About 20-30 minutes later, the van arrived somewhere, they took me out and stood me outside the door of the Police Station (I later found out that it was Charing Cross Police Station, not too far from Trafalgar Square). The same two officers who were torturing me inside the van, accompanied me outside the van. They continued to swear at me and twist my cuffs until we entered the Police Station, whence they both became angels and duly obeyed the instructions of the Duty Police Officer. They took off my cuffs and I could barely stand. I looked at both of my wrists and they were bleeding profusely. The size of my wrists had swollen to a size larger than my forearms: I could hardly feel anything in my wrists and part of the palms of my hands due to numbness. The Duty Officer asked me to confirm my name and address and then he asked for the Warrant Numbers of the two policemen who had almost tortured me to death in the van. Under the Terrorism Act 2000, the policemen do not have to give their names, only their ‘Warrant Numbers’. They both gave their numbers as 199400 and 183477 and this was recorded by the Duty Officer on my records. I turned around and looked at both of them for a good minute or two in order to recognise and remember their features, especially after they had removed their helmets. They were both white, obviously. One seemed to be around 30 years old, stockily built, slight-double-chin, ginger hair, freckles on his face. The other was perhaps in his mid to late twenties, short brown hair, blue eyes. Both had helmets which said MP 011 on the back and both had what appeared to be handguns in holsters, at their hips. My lawyers, from Arani & Co. took both video and still footage of my injuries the same day. I was seen by Police Doctors twice a day, although the examinations were not thorough and only lasted a few minutes at a time. After about 48 hours, my lawyers arranged for an independent Doctor to examine me. He examined me for about two hours and prepared a detailed report on my injuries. He concluded that I sustained the following injuries: Severe bruising to the whole body, especially the head, wrist, face, knees and legs Black eye and cuts on the face Possibly perforated ear-drum with visible blood inside the canal Bruising to kidneys which gave traces of blood in my urine for three days after the assault Possibly fractured cheek bone Possibly fractured ribs My doctor recommended that I be taken to hospital as soon as possible and be x-rayed. The Police Doctors did not consider this necessary. I was kept in solitary confinement for the next seven days and questioned about items the Anti-Terrorist Police had taken from my house, including receipts, old family holiday videos, cash that we had saved up for having the house decorated and other bits and pieces from the house. My fingerprints, mouth swab DNA and hair samples were taken and sent all around the World, including America, to see if I had any links to terrorism: nothing was found. My house and office was searched for explosives, chemical weapons and other terrorism-related items: of course nothing was round. Eventually, after seven days, I was released without charge and I was still not told what ‘act or acts of terror’ I had ‘commissioned prepared for or instigated’. I still do not know until this day. When I returned home to my family, I found out the following: When the Police entered my house, they also handcuffed my wife even though her name was not on any warrant. Whilst she was shaking and visibly upset, the policewomen were laughing at her and sniggering to themselves. The Police damaged my house, rooms that myself and my wife had decorated with our hands and legally-earned money. They damaged the carpets, left black marks on the walls. They smashed a beautiful candle holder-set that we had been given on our wedding. They took a laptop and computer from the house; including a new PC that we had just bought and only contained my wife’s teaching materials (she is a teacher). They left a copy of the Quran on the floor; having taken it down from a table. As I write this, two days after my release and eight days after the initial arrest, I am on sick-leave from work. I still have blood in my ear canal, I am still limping from bruising to my body, I still have a black-eye and marks on my face, my wrists and palms are still numb due to damage to the nerves. This is on top of the psychological damage that this ordeal has caused myself and my family. I feel angry, bitter, terrorised, betrayed and oppressed. I feel the Government officials who continuously declare that this is a War Against Terror and not a War Against Islam, are liars and hypocrites, because if it was not a War Against Islam, then why did the Police insult my religion, my prayer and ask, “Where is your god now? You’re in prayer now?” I feel that the Police officials who go on about community relations with the Muslim Community, are liars and hypocrites because they have no interest in keeping relations with the community. They say that this is War on Terror. I don’t understand how those who terrorise innocent people themselves have the right to claim that they are fighting a War on Terror. Britain is engaged in a War Against Islam and I challenge anyone: Police, Government or otherwise, to convince me otherwise. I believe that everyone should know about this incident, so that it is not repeated and no other innocent people are terrorised by Britain’s ‘Anti-Terrorist’ Police. The British Government should be wary of repeating the cycle of what happened to the Irish in the 1970’s. After bomb attacks on the mainland, the British Government interned thousands of Irish men: homes were raided, husbands were taken away, fathers were beaten, women and children were left crying. Louise Christian, a leading human rights lawyer, said that this did not end terrorism and support for the IRA; rather it increased resentment and fuelled sympathy and support for the IRA in the long run. 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Macalin Posted January 14, 2004 Truly sad reality of this so-called democratic states. What is worse than them is the actual terrorists living amongst us, claiming to be practicing our religion and are continuously giving us a bad name! .... This is what that Young Lady SAID.... Now Read wat the ppl have replied to HER.... I mean this is her Opinion if she does beleive that there are actual terrorist who are amongst the Law abiding citizens of the country ameenah mentioned(and since the authorities are looking for the real terrorists!then they have no choice but to look amongst US!) Now how hard is this to understand?...unless ppl are after this yng for 'other' reasons as she said it!...and honestly speaking ppl are attacking her and nt responding to her posts respectfully!. As for the admiring Quote....i would say thats the typical farax analysis...come to a lady's side and u are branded to be after her!..how ABSURD!.... And how did i impose an opinion on U?...i said if ppl dont agrree with U...simply say so without attackin the person!... Oh well Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rokko Posted January 15, 2004 Talkinga about attacks, waryaa Lakkad here is something interesting. hehehe OG_Moti posts a thread about types of nomads. Opinionated says: You forgot a 6th type of nomad: Those who spend all day making silly and ill-categorized lists to sort people. Lakkad says: HeHeHe..that was BLUNT! AND STRAIGHTFORWARD>>BUT HEYY!>>I LOVED IT>> Anyways, Lakkad, I am just fooling around with ya so take it easy na'mean? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality Check Posted January 15, 2004 What does that thread have to do with this one? Mobb deep, Grow up man! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Macalin Posted January 15, 2004 KKK@Mobb Deep..sxb waxaada marka waa wax kala...JUKAATALo waaye arintaada marka. Do you agree that it was BLUNT? i hope so...Otherwise you one kakanos... AS for me loving it, i did find it hilarious plus thats my adeer MOTI and JAC hadee ku dhacdo Me Giggles abt it . Hope you cool. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blessed Posted January 16, 2004 Thanks for the post North.. People I've started this topic because I am genuinely interested in the what the police is doing to Muslims. Please stop this childish you said, she said' crap and either get with the topic or meel kale isku qabsada - Honestly! :rolleyes: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dhagax-Tuur Posted January 20, 2004 Assl All Wr Wb Please stop this childish ‘you said, she said’ crap and either get with the topic or meel kale isku qabsada - Honestly! --Sax. Ordoo heedhe meel kale isku qabsada oo gabadha saligay dhigatay ciida uga dhaafa! Bismillaah. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Macalin Posted January 20, 2004 --Sax. Ordoo heedhe meel kale isku qabsada oo gabadha saligay dhigatay ciida uga dhaafa! Bismillaah. ................... QixQixQixQix. Ameenah, Xooga kaa batay haye eedo macaan?---meesha laisku ma haysto, waa lais jafoooya!....Jaqfooya haa laiska dhaafo!,Amin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blessed Posted November 17, 2004 ....and the beat goes on Britains Silent War On Muslims ^^^^^^Video from www.stoppoliticalterror.com Also...!! Detention of terror suspects criticised Owen Bowcott Friday November 12, 2004 The Guardian Detention without trial of foreign terrorist suspects is not necessary and alternative legal methods should be employed, the Council of Europe's commissioner for human rights told the government yesterday. In the middle of a week-long official inspection of the UK's civil liberties record, Alvaro Gil-Robles criticised aspects of law enforcement, including stop and search powers and anti-social behaviour orders. His comments - announced before he had finished his interviews and visits - were made at a press conference with Lord Falconer, the constitutional affairs secretary, yesterday. Spain's former public ombudsman is due to tour Belmarsh prison in south-east London later today. The auditing process by which the commissioner investigates human rights standards within member countries of the Council of Europe is relatively new. It began four years ago and has produced reports on 28 states. Mr Gil-Robles' survey on conditions in the UK is not expected until January. It may make recommendations but has no powers, other than those of public persuasion, to enforce them. Speaking yesterday, Mr Gil- Robles deplored the general erosion of human rights safeguards since the September 11 attacks in 2001. The American use of Guantánamo Bay to detain suspects was, he said, "the clearest example of what must not be done in the fight against terrorism". "Across Europe and throughout the world, governments are ... [overstepping] the limits ... on the pretext of the fight against terror," he said. Democracy and the democratic system is itself a strong system. "Its strength is conditional on society being able to place its faith in its fundamental values. It is clear that terrorism cannot be combated effectively in the long term by weakening the guarantees of the rule of law." On detention of foreign terrorist suspects without charge or trial, he insisted the government was not justified in opting out of Article 5 of the European Convention on Human Rights to introduce the internment powers. The House of Lords is considering an appeal by nine foreign detainees over the legality of their internment. Most are at Belmarsh prison. "After the judgment is made public I hope to be able to be in a dialogue with the government on those questions," Mr Gil-Robles Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites