Somali Women are Oppressed

[Endeavour]

We do all respect, my uncle once said Somali ppl where-ever they maybe know-how to exaggerate. If they are blessed with something they will exaggerate if anything horrible happens once again they will exaggerate. And this topic my dear friends, is a classical example of what Somali exaggeration is all about. Oppression? Pardon moi? SOMALI woman oppressed, no I must be burying my head under sand socod badne says. But truth be told! Somali woman are far from being oppressed, yes I admit there is the occasional cases but nothing to yell about. I am friends with muslim sisters from all around the globe I have yet come across any muslims that can challenge Somali women for freedom.

 

 

ModestY-please explain why on earth would you consider the opinion of a Somali man, not a just a Somali man but one that is ignorant of the deen. Allah says ‘wacrid canil jahiliin’ and turn away from the ignorant ones. If to you most Somali men are ignorant of the deen( once again exaggreration) then simply walk away. Never value their opinion brush it off like an irritating fly on your shoulders.

 

 

Whats so attractive about eating out at a Somali restaurant? Where is youir xishood modesty? How could you possibly eat infront of Somali men? I could never do it. You have nerves girl. I would rather eat take-away. Somali restaurant would be the last place I visit.

 

 

I noticed Rahima referring to FGM , I guess it’s the never ending Somali women-saga. I have never seen any nationality that divorces the rate Somali ppl do and most of all it’s Somali woman that initiate divorce in the west majority of the time. Somali woman ask for a divorce like the rate they buy a kaneebo dirac . Exaggeration , exaggeration , the probability that Somali woman stay with abusive husbands is perhaps zero unless she is stuck in an awefuk situation with no family or qabil around.

[Modesty]

Endeavor, why shouldn't I eat at a restaurant? Am I not entitled like any "somali man" to go to any restaurant? Like I said, we don't even recognize oppression even if it poked us in the eye socket!

[Modesty]

Also, I personally wouldn't eat in front of somali men because Somali men stare at you if you are a woman like there is no tomorrow, it's quite annoying and unIslamic, since men are to "lower their gaze". But,in this example of the restaurant I gave, women are customers as well and deserve to be served the same way. Why should I "xishood", there are things you have xishood for and there are things that you don't.

[Che -Guevara]

^^^^^^Maandheey, we can't help sometimes. It isn't our fault you are so dam good looking

 

Seriously though, if you don't like something in particular setting. Either ignore it, or demand your due respect. I don't think no Somali man is gonna object to you choosing own your table in a eatery. It might feel little awkward for everybody in the begining, but remember it takes one to start a revolution.

 

But overall though what perpetuates women oppression is their lack of recognizing the oppresive nature of the Somali Dhaqan ( Not everything about our dhaqan is oppresive). You gotta identify and label the problem before you can even do something about it. So women need to be aware of their rights first, then we can think changing the Somali way of doing things.

 

We could start by raising our children as equals.

[Mr.Faarax]

Originally posted by Modesty:

Also, I personally wouldn't eat in front of somali men because Somali men stare at you if you are a woman like there is no tomorrow, it's quite annoying and unIslamic, since men are to "lower their gaze".

hehehe kix kix kix lol walahi somali girls are some thing. the person who said exagaration was right! next time they would say we are slaved! but i gotta question- why would u go to a restaurant full of men if you want to be modest and islamic to begin with. it is like dipping in the ocean with out getting wet. look here sis ' i respect somali sisters and i am sure my brothers do too but that is if they earn their respect. she wants to sit at a table right in the middle of those men and demand them to lower their gaze ?? pahleez have some xishood like the sister said and then we u will get the respect that you deserve

 

 

Originally posted by Modesty:

But,in this example of the restaurant I gave, women are customers as well and deserve to be served the same way. Why should I "xishood", there are things you have xishood for and there are things that you don't.

We should all have to have xishood on all things- unless your xishood is for the sake of people instead of allah.

[BonaFied_CriTic]

It is not oppression but tough love -

[RendezVous]

Originally posted by The Rendez-vous:

Originally posted by Modesty:

 

OBSERVATION NO.1

I've made lots of observations, and I have concluded that most Somali men are oppressive to women. They basically view women as second class citizens. Not only in Somalia, but also in the west.Alot of these views that men have about somali women is basically what they say is from the religion, yet most of them don't even know alot about the deen.

 

ADVICE 1: First of all, all praise to Allah s.w.The issue raised by Sis Modesty has a great impact on this forums and will NEVER be sidelined.Nevertheless, Modesty, on your part, please also STOP generalizing all somalis as same.Many somalis of our time, that is the 21st Century, especially, Men/women are modern in their faith (Imaan) and put great emphasis on their religion, the true faith that exist and continues to exist.

 

Please Click here: Read the status of Women In Islam first before writing thread against Somalis(men/women) who are 99.9% Muslims

 

OBSERVATION NO.2

For example, men are served first in everything, from food to getting other things done. Men are held in a pedestal and women are treated like they are insignificant. For example, why is it somali restaurants, they allow men to sit in the well lit areas, the cleaner areas with the t.v., yet women have to sit in a hole that's unhygenic, and bore lighting (yes, I have experienced this, and I was hungry so I ate there anyways

).

 

ADVICE 2.: Because of you talked of something simple, Please also talk about the way Muslim women, Somalis included are given priviledges when it comes to transport systems..which is also simple.They are allocated the best seats near the driver in a bus, when they want to alight from the bus, they use the front door while us, men, are squeezed in the back of the bus,..I remeber sitting on women reserved seat and standing later for the women who come afterwards.

Many Somali ladies I have seen are treated like queens by their partners, unless you are talking about your own experience, which is by far, a personal problem..assume that, they are treating you bad..you can't say that for all my sisters, my lady relatives and my Mum..

 

OBSERVATION NO.3

Men can do what they want, no one criticizes them, and when I usually say "no one" I mean the women, yes the women are the ones who are propagating this oppression on themselves by allowing this to happen to them.Females are treated like crap basically, and they think this treatment is okay, they actually believe they are "free", and criticize western women and how they are oppressed, even though I do believe they aren't very free, I also believe they have more freedoms then somali women.

 

 

ADVICE 3..: That is NEVER the truth.In Islam, you believe like I do, that, God Allah s.w will judge everyone according to his deeds.When Somalis criticize, (I have a personal problem with some few somali men), Islam advises us to correct what we muslims deem wrong and keep advising each other...It is written in one Ayah of the Holy Quraan that "

 

Please click here to read this Statement: You are the best of the nations raised up for (the benefit of) men, you enjoin what is right and forbid the wrong and believe in Allah.

 

but that doesn't mean, we criticize to the point of making someone feel hurt..No..We need to give advise to our fallen(Lapsed) muslims like Ayaan Hirsi, who will digest and find their mistakes from what we quote from the quraan

 

If you Click here, You will be Shown: How women are treated very badly in Other religions and Ayaan Hirsi Lied about Islam

 

A famous saying of The Prophet is "It is the generous (in character) who is good to women, and it is the wicked who insults them."

 

OBSERVATION NO.4

The clothes of the women is more probed, it's sometimes annoying, do I have to drag 50 feet of cloth to be considered a chaste woman?

 

ADVICE 4.: Muslim women, Somali women included are supposed to be modest like their Men...While Somalis have the attitude of irritating some few somali women who wear semi-nude...or "awkwardly" to be precise, It is advisable to atleast wear modest based on the limits set by your God...don't worry about What Somalis say.....Just have faith in your God, Allah s.w and follow your religion properly.

 

Click here: This Somali lady will explain more:One somali Hijaabeeeeeee

 

OBSERVATION NO.5

Ridiculous is all I have to say. In my opinion, the majority of Somali women are oppressed, and they are allowing this to happen to themselves.

 

ADVICE 5.: Please have some seriousness when talking about generalization...when talking about our old somali culture...or our Religion Islam...Never talk about many people..Men here are also advised to know that our Prophet S.a.w used to say "...

 

quote:

---

Prophet Muhammad. (P) said:

 

The best of you is the best to his family and I am the best among you to my family.

 

The most perfect believers are the best in conduct and best of you are those who are best to their wives. (Ibn-Hanbal, No. 7396)

 

Behold, many women came to Muhammad's wives complaining against their husbands (because they beat them) - - those (husbands) are not the best of you. he told his Sahabas

If Somalis are not following Islam..Then that is a different Case altogether..

Originally posted by Modesty:

Endeavor, why shouldn't I eat at a restaurant? Am I not entitled like any "somali man" to go to any restaurant? Like I said, we don't even recognize oppression even if it poked us in the eye socket!

did u read that anyways?

[Lake]

This obversvation is based/comes from all her relatives(men) surely. Clearly I know this girl is not speaking for my father and brothers and.....You seem to think we're all conditioined the same way..Get real

[Modesty]

^Clearly you didn't read properly what I wrote above, as I firmly stated it doesn't apply to all men. Yes, the truth does hurt.

[Shakti]

Originally posted by Modesty:

yes, I have experienced this, and I was hungry so I ate there anyways

). .

looooooooooooooooooooooolll u fat bi#ch....U Sacrificed ur dignity for ur stomach .. classically done..!!!

" i ate there anyways" ........after reading that part, i nearly died....looolll

wallahi that was funny

 

 

Anyways

 

Here is the deal girl.. i think this ID name of urs is sort of misleading u and its clouding ur judgment when it comes 2 somliyan men.. Just coz u choose 2 be modest about ur business do not expect others 2 respond the same way (especially somaliyan men!!)..

 

I believe when it comes to oppression, we woman are our worse enemy… we r the problem and we continue 2 oppress ourselves with no external factor (men) interfering!!!

 

We simply have the correct mind to stop any injustice but we choose 2 set back and pass the same belief 2 our young girls..

 

One needs 2 understand how we somaliyan woman r blessed when it comes 2 the sort of men we have.. ofcourse with exception of their questionable looks (I guess, one of the trade offs ) nevertheless… in so many sense, we are very lucky !!!

 

p.s :looking back b4 the war ……I cant remember any somaliyan women being treated any worse than she treated herself! Its all about the way one cares for themselves !!!!

 

a little fyi : we let men eat b4 us, becoz we do not want them 2 see how much we can scoff.. and the bore lighting?? is 4 us not 2 see how much we can consume!!!...thus being the reason y we develop such a table azz!

[Lake]

Originally posted by Modesty:

^Clearly you didn't read properly what I wrote above, as I firmly stated it doesn't apply to all men. Yes, the truth does hurt.

Well you're the one that typed the garbage "most Somali men are oppressive" so expect most somali dudes to respond like I did silly

[Modesty]

Devilangle,you make no sense whatsoever, I don't even want to listen to what a self-hating black woman like you has to say, I'm sorry you are ugly.

 

Tone, let's get real, you know it happens.I hope the next generation of somali men can change this pattern, and that the next generation of women stand up against it.

[Didi Kong]

Originally posted by Tone:

This obversvation is based/comes from all her relatives(men) surely. Clearly I know this girl is not speaking for my father and brothers and.....You seem to think we're all conditioined the same way..Get real

Self-centred Somalis always seem to trace everything back to their families. Who care about your families that is the big question! If you got good family god bless and good bye don't let the door hit you on the way out! Most Maryooley are dysfunctional go to your nearest ethnic enclave and watch the show unfold!

 

Modesty abaayo majority Somali men are dayuus/khaniis/saqajaan/weak personality nymphos,lazy/bum/welfarerecepient/dropout/darbijiif, qabilist/qat-chewer/close-minded, liar/cheat/two-timer/criminal etc. Oppressive isn't one of them! How can one oppress a loud-mouthed in your face,monologue-reading type Xaliimo who call the cops on you! The one you are talking about are the over protective one! Some of them do to show-off to save face in front of their friend (which by the way is majority have the character mentioned above) and some of them are just protective. But simply one common factor is they all are annoying! Oh if you want to see oppression look close at our mortal enemy Xabashi :mad: domestic abuse in Xabash land is 50% highest world wide.

[Didi Kong]

ps Wiilo shaqadeyda moho qofkii lahadishid iyo qofkii la hadlin! just buzz ok!

[Jamilah]

Originally posted by Didi Kong:

Modesty abaayo majority Somali men are dayuus/khaniis/saqajaan/weak personality nymphos,lazy/bum/welfarerecepient/dropout/darbijiif, qabilist/qat-chewer/close-minded, liar/cheat/two-timer/criminal etc.

My innocent eyes have never seen such vulgar language... :eek: