Trump threatens to cut off aid to countries voting against his Jerusalem move

[Holac]

This is how much US Aid some of the "Yes" countries get. 

 

[Holac]

Ethiopia has some honor and skills to appease its Muslim majority.  Ethiopia gets a billion and still voted "Yes" against Trump after his threats.  As far as Somalia is concerned, the Somalis don't give a syyyt about the 416 million that AMISOM gets.

 

F*** Off Trump. Turkey rules. 

[anoo kale]

Jerusalem is Israel's capital, no one can change that fact.

 

This symbolic vote won't change anything. More countries will eventually move their embassy to Jerusalem.

 

 

[maakhiri1]

Well done Ethiopia 

[Old_Observer]

 

 

This is fake list. Just consider one item. What did Egypt vote not shown on the list. Egypt gets 1.2 billion a year which was restored fully by Trump.

[Holac]

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US funding has made up around 20-25% of Egypt's total military budget in recent years, according to statistics from the International Institute for Strategic Studies. No other country gives a comparable amount in military assistance to Cairo. While that spending might make both a good carrot and stick, a chunk of it was already suspended over human rights concerns. There were reported plans to resume it next year, but Trump could very well reverse that. Any long term cutting off of aid to Egypt's military -- which has run the country since a coup in 2013 -- is unlikely. US spending in Egypt ramped up after Cairo signed a peace treaty with Israel in 1979, and the country remains vital to US security interests in the wider region.

 

Observer, the list is not fake. Both ABC and CNN are reporting it. 

[Old_Observer]

On 12/21/2017 at 5:18 PM, anoo kale said:

Jerusalem is Israel's capital, no one can change that fact.

 

This symbolic vote won't change anything. More countries will eventually move their embassy to Jerusalem.

 

 

anoo Kale,

I think, that is a bit too strong.

At the very least you could have said West and East Jerusalem. Its too big of a jump. Never be too sure of what comes next, unless you are one with the objective and in control working for it (objective). 

 

What do you think happens if America weakens really fast as did the British Empire, which looked too big to fail until the time of WWI? I am absolutely certain either the Chinese, Germans, Japanese...who ever comes on top would prefer to have a Palestinian state and East Jerusalem as capital or at the very least East Jerusalem being International city like Vatican, City of London etc.

 

It looks darkest before down.

What if the Palestinians or force in aligned to their interest, takes over Jordan or Egypt or both?

What if the Saudi monarchy collapses?

 

Believe it or not the Soviet Union has more role in the selection of the House of Saud than the British initially. The British had other designs, but panicked and selected the house of Saud, took away and even created friction for the Soviets.

 

It took centuries for the Zionists to succeed in establishing Israel. So many perished in the process and it looked darkest at times, but WWI came and boom new day.

 

 

 

 

[Old_Observer]

On 12/21/2017 at 7:49 PM, Holac said:

 

Observer, the list is not fake. Both ABC and CNN are reporting it. 

Holac,

 

This is the correct one from Haarez.

 

 

Trump, Take Note: These Are the Top 10 Countries Receiving U.S. Aid – and How They Voted on Jerusalem
read more: https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/1.830404

 

[Suldaanka]

If America stops aid to these countries, it will be a golden opportunity for China to get a foot hold. 

[galbeedi]

America has lost more than the vote.  Excluding the governments of Hoduras, Guatemala, Marshal Islands, Nauru, Micronesia, Palau, and Togo,  it seems the rest of the entire planet was happy to let Trump expose  the United States foreign policy for what it is. It is a Soprano mafia style extortion policy.

 

They could not threaten or even criticize their own allies at the security council. France, U.K and others at the security council voted 14 to 1. Their Asian allies like South Korea and Japan had voted against Trump. I Think people are no longer taking seriously the Trump bluff. As always they are punishing the poor countries that are the mercy of U.S handouts.

 

Give it four more years and America will be a second tier country overtaken by China, Russia and others.

[anoo kale]

14 hours ago, Old_Observer said:

At the very least you could have said West and East Jerusalem

 

The reality is on the ground is there is no separation, the services, the infrastructure, the people, it all one city. It is fiction that Jerusalem is divided, yes the East is primarily Arab but there are increasingly Jews in the east and likewise Arabs in the west of the city.

 

14 hours ago, Old_Observer said:

I am absolutely certain either the Chinese, Germans, Japanese...who ever comes on top would prefer to have a Palestinian state and East Jerusalem as capital or at the very least East Jerusalem being International city like Vatican, City of London

 

Which ever super power comes after America, they can't force a sovereign country to give up its capital. Handing over East Jerusalem means giving the Western wall - holiest site in Judaism to Arabs, unthinkable.

 

- Japanese are shrinking rapidly in population, don't think they will become a super power any time soon.

- Germany is not going to be a super power even if it wanted, now it doesn't want to be lead the EU given its historical baggage.

- Chinese - ? Many people are touting the Chinese to be the next super power, however they have massive challenges already -  economy is slowing, pollution issues, shrinking workforce. They may not even get rich before they get old.

 

Meaning the U.S will be the sole super power for the foreseeable future.

 

14 hours ago, Old_Observer said:

It looks darkest before down.

What if the Palestinians or force in aligned to their interest, takes over Jordan or Egypt or both?

What if the Saudi monarchy collapses?

 

Balance of power will ensure Israel remains unassailable in that region for a long time whatever happens. Arabs are cannibalizing themselves.

 

[Old_Observer]

anoo Kale,

 

I read today a lengthy article in an Israeli publication, as to why the American christians wanted the Jerusalem issue more than the Israelis.

Everyone is trying to speed up their prophecies. The Christians in America cannot wait for Israel to destroy the mosque and build the third temple in its place. Then the American christians would move to Israel, the Jewish would convert to christianity and would be the end of this current world we live with. The selected ones would be taken to heaven and the rest of us in hell or the wretched life.

They are quite serious about it. The evangelical preachers are in competition as to who can achieve this faster. In the mean time collect more money here until they can push president Trump or prime minister Netanyahoo to speed things up.

 

If these people succeed in creating wars, new and bigger to speed up the destruction, yours and I discussion is mute point.

[Holac]

On 12/23/2017 at 12:45 AM, Old_Observer said:

 

 

OO, the numbers I posted are 2017 obligations, not historic disbursements. Donald Trump is running the US and we shouldn't be basing aid numbers on historical averages. If you want to find the amount US gives to countries including categories (education, agriculture, security, etc), the USAID website has very comprehensive data. 

 

https://explorer.usaid.gov/cd/SOM?fiscal_year=2017&measure=Obligations

[Holac]

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GUATEMALA CITY—Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu praised Guatemala’s decision to move its embassy to Jerusalem, almost three weeks after U.S. President Donald Trump took the controversial step of recognizing the city as the capital of Israel. Guatemala is the first country to follow Trump’s decision, which unleashed a barrage of criticism from Arab, European and Muslim leaders.