Ethiopian MPs' boycott over ethnic unrest

[Che -Guevara]

Ethiopia govt finally accepts shock resignation of speaker Abadula

[Old_Observer]

8 hours ago, anoo kale said:

 

 

 

Which ethnic/religious groups have the highest fertility in Ethiopia?

 

My guess is the Somali, Oromo, and other Cushitic groups are mainly the ones having too many children, while the Habeshas: Amharas, Tigrays, and other Semitic groups have lower fertility rates. Correct ?

Similarly, Muslims are outpacing Christians in child birth. Yes ?

 

 

 

 

You are correct as to Moslems having the highest, but some surprises:

Protestants have same birth rates.

Afar about 90% Moslem has closer birth rates to the 90% Orthodox Tigray both lowest in their groups.

Education of women is identified as a big factor. Women that have gone to modern schooling have less children.

Over all there is big  progress made, the late prime minister was determined and persistent on this issue:

Ethiopia: Fertility rate from 2005 to 2015

Number of children born per woman5.695.695.525.525.365.365.25.25.065.064.924.924.84.84.684.684.564.564.444.444.324.3220052006200720082009201020112012201320142015

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2013

https://www.statista.com/statistics/455139/fertility-rate-in-ethiopia/• 4.56

 

 

 

© Statista 2017

[galbeedi]

Old O says,

 

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He is most experienced and knowledgeable with Technology, security and finance. I have heard an interview him and 2 other fellow fighters did some years ago. Even during the fighting against Derg Previous government, he was known for his technological savieness.

He is well respected among fellow ministers, more quite is what even some opposition media is writing.

 

 

I should say that The new TPLF chairman is mostly  feared than respected. He is the power behind the caretaker prime minister Hailemariam . THe Tigray group deliberate at least one month and decided to select a hardline chairman. During the EPRDF executive committee meeting last week, chaired by this Gebremichael,  the  TPLF is looking the next transformative leader and they may replace the prime minister before the next election. They are looking astrong man that could became or mimick Meles.

 

Bringing another TPLF member to be the prime minister will be  unacceptable to the Oromo and Amhara. At the same,  time an Amhara premier  will not be carrying any water for the Wayaane , and that move will end their power quickly. The Anhara have already the infrastructure of bureaucracy, business , huge diaspora and connection around the globe. They could easily replace the TPLF .

 

MY take on this  power struggle  among the  three groups is that the TPLF will crown a christian Oromo who has the same colonial ambitions of the Ahmara and will be used to expand the Oromo power and population against both the Somali region and the Somali Republic. That is one of the major reasons that we are witnessing of the bloody war among the Somalis and the Oromo. They are preparing the Oromo public opinion against the Somalis. It is a clever way to divide the twenty or so millions of Oromo and Somalis who share culture and faith.

 

 

 

[Che -Guevara]

 

[galbeedi]

This dead men don't  look like civilians to me. They all wearing military fatigue uniform.

[galbeedi]

Looks like this Jawar Mohammed guy is the one putting fire to the fuel from his comfort home in America. 

 

This are the so called people whom we  thought  shared culture .

[Che -Guevara]

 

[Che -Guevara]

Apparently, this is not his page. Jawar does push the idea that Oromo are the only victims.

[galbeedi]

Che,

 

I am not a facebook person. I may visit once a year. How do you know it is not his page?

[galbeedi]

Most of us found out the inter Oromo-Somali conflict for the last two months, yet the killing , especially from LIyuu police were happening since early 2017. Here is a post by a concerned Oromo In February, 2017.

 

 

 

Nagessa Oddo Dube

February 27 · 

The proxy war by Abdii Ille and #Liyupolice on behalf of TPLF is escalating. The number of Oromo civilians killed by a special Somali region militia is more than 400 so far. The war has continued in East and West Hararge, Bale, Gujii and Borena zones of the Oromia regional state.

It is to be noted that Oromo and Somali share long boundary in the eastern lowlands starting from Djibouti down to Moyale (Ethio-Kenyan) boarder. 51 Numerous districts and kebeles are disputed between the Somali, Oromiya, and Afar regions. A referendum was conducted on the status of over 400 kebeles along the Somali-Oromiya border in October 2004, which Somalis lost most of these disputed land to the neighboring Oromiya state.

Recently after #OromoProtests ; The TPL F and Somali regional state have concluded a marriage contract with the following agreement:

Parties to the contract: 
1. Somali regional state led by Abdii Ely
2. TPLF (X- guerrilla fighters Who are leading EPRDF, Ethiopia)

Terms of the contract:
A. The Somali regional state shall provide a friendship and political Support to TPLF 
B. The Somali regional State is at liberty to commit ethnic cleansing against Oromo. In these raid can use the 45,000 army of Liyu police trained by the British government. 
C. TPLF would just cover the humanitarian crisis from the international community disguising it as inter clan conflict.

The outcome of the contract: 
The Somali regional state will take the 400 Kebele (land ) from Oromo regional state. That would be reward fir the sacrifices of #Liyupolice. 
TPLF will revenge the Oromo people. For uprising in the rebel against it is government.
Moreover it will divert attention from the fundamental quest of the Oromo people.

The hidden agenda of TPL F:

To divert the attention of the Oromo people from protest.
To create a lasting conflict between the Oromo and the Somali population. 
To charge some of the leadership in the Oromia regional state and Somali regional state in the guise of inciting this conflict.

The truth is:
The TPLF don't care whether the Somali take the land of Oromo or Oromo take land of Somalis. Their interest lies in the prolonged conflict between the two ethnic groups. So they are sacrificing thousands of innocent lives for this political gamble.

May peace prevail!

[Che -Guevara]

20 minutes ago, galbeedi said:

Che,

 

I am not a facebook person. I may visit once a year. How do you know it is not his page?

It is not verified page. He has already  verified facebook page. His posts are never divisive. He does everything to at-least seem like he wants Somalis and Oromo to get along.

 

There's no question Liyu was or is being used by TPLF. The border skirmishes are not new either. What's new is the mass killings of Somalis inside Oromia, something Oromo chose to ignore or at times encourage.

[Old_Observer]

3 hours ago, Che -Guevara said:

 

There's no question Liyu was or is being used by TPLF. The border skirmishes are not new either. What's new is the mass killings of Somalis inside Oromia, something Oromo chose to ignore or at times encourage.

 

 

Exactly Che,

The border skirmishes between villages, hamlets for water wells, grass lands etc is nothing new. The only thing new as you said is now in the age of facebook everyone is using it to embelish their support, which in many cases is fake.

If one wants to have a good perspective and reasoned understanding of the bordering issues, one can ignore governments and other propaganda outlets and simply ask the question: Both OLF and ONLF were part of the current groups ruling Ethiopia. Both left for the same reason (separation of their respective regions from Ethiopia). On the face of it these two organizations should fully co-operate co-ordinate...but never did. Why?

Come fast forward to current situation, the Oromo mostly diaspora are convinced that the Somali will be one of the critical roadblock on their way to dominating Ethiopia. The Somali is also equally convinced that an Oromo dominated Ethiopia will not bod well not only to Somali Ethiopia, but to the rest of the Somali. That is the crux of the issue.

Blaming Illey or Tigray may sound good talk, but will not contribute anything to the issue at hand.

 

[Old_Observer]

5 hours ago, galbeedi said:

 The Anhara have already the infrastructure of bureaucracy, business , huge diaspora and connection around the globe. They could easily replace the TPLF . 

 

 

 

 

 

galbeedi,

 

Not so easy and not so fast. Every factor you mentioned is actually the weakness not strength for Amhara. The Diaspora is only looks one when cursing and Cussing Tigray. The moment they try to organize they splinter down to districts and sub-clans. There are at least 10 to 12 organizations with functioning web sites and radio broadcasts in America, Canada, Europe and Australia. The Amhara hate the Tigray not so much because the Tigray are in power, but brought all other nationalities that the Amhara could not accept to be in any postion of governing.

As for business, its fair to say the Tigray, and Shiek Al-Amoudi (who for so many reasons is classified as Tigray by the Amhara and Oromo) and Gurage (another nationaliy that has common, but competing interests with Amhara which is Ginbot 7) are dominant. The Hareri (who are also for many reasons considered Tigray) and  others have also their share in business.

 

As for infrastructure, if you have time do some reading what the Amhara were saying during the Arab spring times. Apparently some George Soros financed training was given by no less than trainers from Pora the Serbian, by taking a group from the Amhara to Kenya. It didn't work. Its very hard to influence Ethiopia from facebook unless you are calleous enough to get some villagers killed as is happening with the Oromo.

 

Consider also the fact that the Amhara region is inhabited by other nationalities like the Agew who will never side with the Amhara against the Tigray, since they suffered and were decimated during Amhara rule. This group is quite significant in the Amhara region.

 

The reality on the ground is a lot different than what it looks or how is presented on the Internet.

As for PM, I agree you are correct that a Tigray PM will not work. The Tigray also do not seem to be going that direction. The best thing to do is leave the man that is there, or bring from other nationalities. BTW Illey is considered PM material by many, if he improves his Amharic and most importantly his English. Such consideration is probably why the Tigray want to convert  the EPRDF into a political party and bring in the Afar, Somali, Benshangul, Hareri and Gambella, which are all closer to Tigray than to the other parts of EPRDF. The South supports this, but the Oromo and Amhara at this time are dead set against it.

[galbeedi]

I agree. The Amhara and the Tigray are culturally very close, and the hate comes because of the dismantling of centuries old system. One thing I know about Amhara is they are the most sophisticated among all the ethnic groups of Ethiopia. Unlike the Oromo or the Somali nomad, they never raise their voice . THey seem to be very patient and deliberate.  While they may have different political or interest in their aspirations, they are not tribal., and people without the constraints of tribalism  could reach higher goals than tribal society. The biggest obstacle for Amhara is they are hated by everyone , and no one want them to be in power in the near term.

 

The biggest advantage the TPLF has is they are united under one single leader, and they seem to be the great equalizer that keeps the ship together at the moment .Last month they debated one month among them and  finally elected one leader.

 

As you stated the Somali region is huge in size and influence if they play their cards better. WE need  the Somali party to create a diverse group of leaders who could deliberate and find consensus among them. Also Cabdi Illey must create and nurture Somali federal leaders who oversee their interest at the federal level. At the end we all want to survive and not to  be a victim of others or our own mistakes.

 

 

[Che -Guevara]

According to the Minnesota based Jawar Mohamed, the Woyanes are recruiting young men and buying a grain for a potential war.