World Bank Poverty report on Somalia: Somaliland region(NW) poorer than Puntland

[Saalax]

Interesting release. There is also more people working in Puntland

compared to Somaliland.

 

full document

http://documents.worldbank.org/curated/en/325991506114032755/Somali-poverty-profile-2016-findings-from-wave-1-of-the-Somali-high-frequency-survey

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Saalax]

Question is who is keeping Somaliland poor? the fat cat

politicians that steal millions are to blame.

 

 

A UN report from 2002 also showed that IDPs in Bosaso

had a higher standard of living than urban residents of

Hargeisa.

 

In comparison to Hargeisa, Bosasso residents enjoy a higher standard of living if we compare average daily incomes. While urban residents of Hargeisa earn, on average, about $1 a day, Bosasso residents earn over $4. Naturally, with respect to Bosasso, IDPs earnings are far lower. Most IDP households in Bosasso earn a daily wage of a little over a $1, which is more than 50percent, more than most returnee/IDP families living in and around Hargeisa.

 

 

https://reliefweb.int/report/somalia/internally-displaced-persons-combined-report-somalia

[Saalax]

Oodweyne you are in denial. Behind the fancy villas in Hargeisa

lies a large percent of poverty with over 90% unemployment rate.

Wealth is only concentrated with the few in Somaliland.

[Holac]

Puntland has a strong religious business community. Wadaada have a lot of money and their relatives are well fed in general. It is also easy to start business in Puntland compared to Somaliland. That is why Puntland has the largest small business start-ups in all of Somalia. Everyone wants to be a businessman there and the government doesn't stop it. In Somaliland, it takes months to open a simple shop because it is very well controlled by the government and it is not easy to get business licence.

[Saalax]

@Holac

said:

Puntland has a strong religious business community. Wadaada have a lot of money and their relatives are well fed in general. It is also easy to start business in Puntland compared to Somaliland. That is why Puntland has the largest small business start-ups in all of Somalia. Everyone wants to be a businessman there and the government doesn't stop it. In Somaliland, it takes months to open a simple shop because it is very well controlled by the government and it is not easy to get business licence.

 

 

I agree there is more of a wealth distribution in Puntland were's

in Somaliland wealth is confined to few cats. This is something

we all knew.

[maakhiri1]

Good documents, thanks Saalah.

[Saalax]

@Maakhiri1

said:

Good documents, thanks Saalah.

 

 

Did you see the big difference between Sool and Nugal regions

in terms of wealth even though they are neighbors.

 

 

[Illyria]

This is good data probably new to those unfamiliar or have not travelled through Somali regions or administrations over the year, but in reality this has been the case for many years. for example, there is a larger middle class concentration in NorthEast than Northwest and the rest of the country whereas in NorthWest, as Salax pointed out, wealth is concentrated in the hands of a few.

 

More troubling however are: access to improved source of water, and education in the regions.

"In line with other relevant non-monetary indicators, such as education and employment, households living in North East show a relatively low degree of inequality in access to an improved source of water between urban and rural areas. Indeed, more than seven in ten people living in urban households of North East have access to an improved source of water, against about 5 in ten in rural areas; a stark contrast to the North West region, where only 52 percent of urban dwellers and 9 percent of people living in rural households report access to an improved source of water (Figure 2.23). "

 

This means only 50% of nomads in NE have access to water whereas only 9% in NW have access to water. this has to be a national priority after which education comes.

[Illyria]

And FYI.

All Somali states use projected budgets, and not income-based budgetary methods. Puntland’s 2017 budget was $160 million whereas Somaliland’s was $362 million (in reality, these numbers do not represent the actual picture). Again, both are projected where half of the expected income comes from external sources incl. world bank and other foreign sources, and neither is based upon actual intake in the form of taxes, revenues from manufacturing, export / import tariffs to balance trade deficit, or other forms of local revenues. In fact, if you study closely their local ttax revenues, you will notice, it is minute in comparison.

 

And almost 75% of the budget (this has been changing over the years) goes towards salary with not earmarked for basic public services including health and education. Forget about infrastructure or economic development projects neither of which they can afford nor even contemplate.

 

The same applies to the federal government where 2-thirds of its annual budget comes from external sources.

[maakhiri1]

And what was the total cost on Khat import in Pl and Sl per year?

[galbeedi]

Lately there is a lot of propaganda in SOL. It used to be Suldaanka and Landers to throw " Way Duushay iyo Miisaaniyada oo cirka martay", but now the Puntlanders are out doing Suldaanka.

 

It said , statistics do not lie, but liars use statistics. I have never seen anywhere about Puntland budget reaching %160 million. In 2016, it was 35 million, so you can not grow fifth fold in one year. Of course SOmaliland budget is exaggerated and the estimate is always much lower than the actual budget. Also, since the Siilaanyo tribe took the power, there were never one single debate about budget items. The system ceased to exist as institution and the budget is divided among the Siilaanyo household and the whole of Somaliland. Did you ever heard one single debate about the budget? None. . The palace budget is more than 10 ministries.

 

Of course Somaliland has huge rural population, from Awdal to Sanaag which could triple in size than Puntland, hence the poverty level could be higher, but to o say that Puntland has more middle class than Somaliland is a red herring. The public servants and government employees in Hargeisa alone can surpass all government workers in Whole of Puntland. In Somaliland , there are more than ten universities with tens of thousands of students who could afford to attend. Remembers, because of higher tuition fees of $500 dollars per semester only the middle class and the upper class could attend., that means thousands of families are spending huge money just for an education.

 

Compare that to Puntland which has probably two mediocre universities. Today Hargeisa is like how Muqdishu was in the late eighties. Millions are looted from both public, private and the NGO's. THere is inflation and the poor is suffering, but there is huge middle and upper class in Hargeisa today than anywhere else in the Somali speaking world. Burco city has relocated to Hargeisa, so does Gabiley and Some from Awdal. There are 120 NGO's operating in Hargeisa alone and they are spending millions. Hotels are full.

 

One advantage Puntland has is the cost of living is much lower than Hargeisa or Borama. Boosaaso has been traditionally a hard working and business people , but one single city can not outperform Somaliland. Another important issue is other than Garoowe, Puntland has the lowest participation or diaspora returnees who settles there. Gaalkacayo is no go zone, and Boosaaso is unpredictable. I have friends who hail from Boosaaso, and both their families settled in HArgeisa and Borama, in fact an old friend of mine who travels to Hargeisa to almost every year told me his wife demanded to relocate from Boosaaso to Hargeisa due to insecurity. Certainly there is peace in. Boosaaso, but from time to time there is targeted killings and murders that is more common than Garoowe. So Puntland has a long way to reach full stability.

 

On the rural issue, Puntland has the lowest number of villages and rural communities. Between Garoowe and Gaalkacayo, which is almost 250km , there is one single town called Burtinle. If you travel the highway from Garoowe to Boosaaso which is 450 km , the only major town is Qardo.That is 700km of empty land. If you leave Borama and Travel to Lowyacado , you would travel almost 10 villages and towns.

 

To be honest I did not read the report, but we all know that per capita Somaliland has more stable middle class than both Puntland and even Mogadishu.

[galbeedi]

double post.

[Illyria]

Wow, really man. have you no decency.

I really do not know what to make of that, but then again, at best, trying to have a conversation with a Somali person is like talking to a person suffering from a rare type of schizophrenia. Did you just call me a liar without having any reasonable cause or evidential material data to support your argument, or refute what was presented in the report?

"It said , statistics do not lie, but liars use statistics. I have never seen anywhere about Puntland budget reaching %160 million."

 

Just to demonstrate the foggy nature of your psyche and your lapse in sound reading, there are Cagaarre, Heema, Daara Salam, Bacaadweyn, Xarfo, and then Buurtinle. And that is just naming a few on the main tarmac road. why do you insist on postulating upon subjects beyond your grasp, i will never know.

"On the rural issue, Puntland has the lowest number of villages and rural communities. Between Garoowe and Gaalkacayo, which is almost 250km , there is one single town called Burtinle."

 

Again, what are we basing this on? and please try data, figures and hard statistics unless of course you are a Drumfite, in which case, never mind.

"Of course Somaliland has huge rural population, from Awdal to Sanaag which could triple in size than Puntland,"

 

I will leave it there. how does one form an opinion without studying data presented, i will never know. only Somalis can do that with a straight face. Naturally, civilised people use scientific and mathematical data to make or support a point, but why bother with that when you have got your own home-grown facts and conjectures. plus, a cultured person would try to understand what he/she does not know to expand his spectrum, but a Somali's purview is confined to his small range, village, family, or clique. all else does not matter. damn you people, when will you ever evolve from being accursed nomads.

"To be honest I did not read the report, but ..."

[anoo kale]

Illyria, PL dad badan baa xasaasiyad dabiici ku qaba, marka ha la yaabin. I have seen Eelay, Jareer, and many other clans that have no history nor borders hating on MJ's for nothing. It is fashionable among Somali clans to hate on MJ's apparently. This curmudgeon named Galbeedi if you closely follow his posting history has a clear anti MJ bent to him from the Galkayo clashes to the federalism issue. When did G/bursi and PL'ers ever have a beef bal ? Saalax started this thread but somehow his construes as it something it wasn't.

 

 

[Illyria]

I do not know if that is the case. besides, healthy rivalry between regions and "xifaaltan" among peoples is acceptable, and even encouraged, but downright ignorance with four legs in trousers in a broad daylight is nauseating.