A conversation with Dr. C/raxman Baadiyow, and a message to president Farmaajo

[galbeedi]

In 2017, I do believe the Awdal community is around 17-19$ based on the election votes of 2003, 2005.

 

THe Siilaalnyo doctored election of the municipalities of 2012, Awdal share was 18%

around 600,000 people voted in Somaliland and 90,000 was Awdalites.

 

. Anyway , it is hard to base for real census i n Somaliland. we do need real census.

[Saalax]

galbeedi Awdal region is now indeed very populated. I believe

the Awdal folks and the GX folks alone make up over 55% of

Somaliland. It would be a easy defeat for the secession

worshippers in any referendum held by the IC. If we add the

H folks of eastern Sanaag and Sool that number will be like

70% of Somaliland.

[galbeedi]

Ooweyne knows if real refredum takes place. Sool, Sanaag, Togdheer and Awdal will vote for union.

[Saalax]

@galbeedi

said:

Ooweyne knows if real refredum takes place. Sool, Sanaag, Togdheer and Awdal will vote for union.

 

Don't forget Hargeisa itself. In the last local elections the GX folks

made up the majority of Hargeisa district. Only Gabiley and

Berbera districts might vote majority secession.

[Mintid Farayar]

Oodka, it's good to see you're still active on these boards. You, my friend, are wasting your time, though. Many are unaware that the recent phenomena of 'Fake News' currently being outed in Western democracies whereby Russian and Extreme Right-wing operatives post incendiary opinions on the web while posing as the citizen next door was first invented on the Somali political websites. You see, there are those who feel intrinsically insecure in their arguments if they presented themselves in their true identity - for it would easily expose their unrealistic narrow objectives. So let Salaax go from previously claiming to be pro-Somaliland, but simply opposed to the Silaanyo administration to eventually exposing his real agenda of Somaliweyn in peace.

 

Secondly, you're used to this song&dance-that Somaliland is on the verge of giving up on its independence-that rears its head in the diaspora chattering classes every 5 years for the last 20+ years. Let this one die its natural death like so many before it. Some of its most eloquent professors (far more eloquent than posters on this Board) have found themselves back in Hargeisa under Somaliland protection...i.e. Ahmed Samatar and Ali Khalif.

 

On another note, the euphoria regarding Farmaajo reminds me of the same unrealistic celebrations when Hassan Sheikh was elected some years back - where he defeated Sheikh Sharif. Very few seem to notice the main reason for the election win seems to be surviving the initial round of voting and then 'in not being' the current incumbent who also survived the initial round with the most votes bought with public funds. History keeps repeating itself in Mogadishu. Insha'Allah, Kheyr.

[Saalax]

Oodweyne I am aware of all those agreements signed in the

past, however nothing is written on stone. You assume

those warnings don't amount to much but it does indeed

show the fragility of the Somaliland project, that video is

from 2014 when the Kulmiye regime tried to undermine the

parliament speaker (Cirro) and best believe they would

have resumed with their promise if tensions didn't cool down.

Lastly as I said nothing is written in Sanaag, at the end

of the day there would be no Sland project in Sanaag

without our approval, HYB blocked Egal adminstration

having any access to Sanaag until the early 2000s where

he died of heart attack complications.

 

What makes you think we will honor some agreements with

a notorious former alcoholic and snitch for Siad Bare (Egal),

at the end of the day it is the eastern HY folks that liberated

Sanaag and they will be the only ones to decide its future fate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The history of Egal summoned in one piece

[Che -Guevara]

Oodweyne, I understand the concept and the spirit behind it. As you said such economic integration requires regulatory arm which at least in my mind would result in giving up some sovereignty.

 

What you are saying is ideal but I don't see it materializing.

 

Mintid,

 

I am not sure Samatar and Khalif have brought much to the equation. You might be right Mogadishu, but the same is true of Hargeisa. They are not any closer to international recognition (whatever they have been doing isn't working), worse yet the young have not seen their lives improve. They are sitting idle or dying on the high seas just like their cousins from the South.

 

The leaders falsely equate economic prosperity with international recognition all the while siphoning the little resources that's there.

 

The only thing going for Hargeisa is democracy on empty stomach, hardly a recipe for success.

 

That sadly enough, you are replacing one Said Barre era old man with another in the coming election. There's not much change there either.

[Saalax]

Also might I add being part of Somalia doesn't mean "handing"

over anything. One can be a federal state example: Puntland

and also be in control of their land. This whole notion that one

has to be "recognized" to control their own lands is laughable.

As far as the international community is concerned one nation

for the Somali ethnic group /Somalia is enough.

We also own half of Djibouti, so having Somalia and

Djibouti should be enough for the Somali ethnicity otherwise

it will lead to headache where each tribe demands their

own country and we all know the international community

will never accept that.