Punishment and pleasure in the grave?

[Tallaabo]

Does anyone believe life in the grave? In other words does the claim that there is life in the grave where people are punished or rewarded carry any merit?

[xabad]

No

 

But if your a believer, this is part of mainstream deen. why ask if it has any merit ?

 

its one of the pet topics of friday sermons.

 

 

 

 

 

[Tallaabo]

I don't believe it too.

[xabad]

@Tallaabo

said:

I don't believe it too.

 

Why ?

 

 

[Tallaabo]

It is a fairy tale story

[xabad]

@Tallaabo

said:

It is a fairy tale story

 

Are you trolling us ?

[Tallaabo]

^ No I am not trolling. The imaginary life in the grave is one those inventions which corrupted Islam.

[xabad]

@Tallaabo

said:

^ No I am not trolling. The imaginary life in the grave is one those inventions which corrupted Islam.

 

Imaginary ??

 

Your contradicting one of the basic tenets of the faith. Might as well call yourself a Kaafir. What's next ? Jahannama and Janna not being real.

 

 

 

 

[xabad]

According to the Aqaid (beliefs) of the Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaah`, Adhaabul Qabr (punishment in the grave) is Haqq (true and established). (Sharhul Aqaid) </blockquote>

 

 

<blockquote>It (punishment of the grave) is proven from the Qur'an and Ahadith. Allah Ta'ala discusses the punishment given to Fir'awn. He says, 'The fire is given to them in the morning and evening and on the Day of Judgment.' The fire before the Day of Judgment refers to the punishment in the grave. </blockquote>

 

 

<blockquote>Rasulullah Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam said, 'When a person is buried and the people go away, two angels approach the deceased and ask three questions, a) Who is your lord? b) What is your religion? and c) Who is this person (meaning Rasulullah Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam)? A believer will answer all three questions and he will be honored with the clothing of Jannah. The window of Jannah will be opened for him and he will enjoy the sight of Jannah. On the contrary, a disbeliever will not be able to answer, and will express regret at not being able to answer the questions. Upon that, an angel who is blind and deaf is appointed to punish him. Blind so that the angel does not see the punishment and feel mercy and deaf so that the punishment is not heard. The hammer used to punish a disbeliever is so heavy that it can reduce a mountain to dust. The disbeliever screams with pain and every creation can hear him besides human and Jinns.' (Mishkat)

 

Rasulullah Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam said, 'The grave is a garden of paradise or a pit of hell.' (Ibid)

 

Rasulullah Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam said, 'It has been revealed to me that the trial in the grave is similar to the trial of Dajjaal.' (Tirmidhi)

 

Rasulullah Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam said, 'If you are made to listen to the punishment in the grave, you will stop burying your deceased.' (Tirmidhi)

 

Rasulullah Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam advised, 'Seek protection from the punishment of the grave.' (Ibid)

 

Messenger of Allaah sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) said: “I have never seen any scene but the grave is more frightening than it.” [At-Tirmidhi]

 

 

 

Various early Muslim sects such as the Khawarij and some portions of the Mu'tazili denied the Punishment of the Grave.

 

 

 

 

[Tallaabo]

I am not saying that there is no life after death which would indeed make me a kaafir if I do, but just that there is no life in the grave. The two are slightly different.

According to the Holy Quran, mankind will be brought back to life on the Day of Resurrection to face Divine Justice. Till then the dead will remain unconscious and in a state of nothingness. They will just be a pile of rotting bones or ash depending on whichever way the dead person get sent off in his or her funeral.

[xabad]

After death, a person's soul passes through a stage called

Barzakh

, where it exists in the grave. The questioning will begin when the funeral is over and the last person of the funeral congregation has stepped 40 steps away from the grave.

 

Nakir and Munkar prop the deceased soul upright in the grave and ask three questions:

 

Who is your Lord?

 

Who is your Prophet?

 

What is your religion?.

 

A righteous believer will respond correctly, saying that their Lord is Allah, that Muhammad is their prophet and that their religion is Islam. If the deceased answers correctly, the time spent awaiting the resurrection is pleasant. Those who do not answer as described above are chastised until the day of judgment.

 

These angels are described as having solid black eyes, having a shoulder span measured in miles, and carrying hammers "so large, that if all of mankind tried at once to move them a single inch, they would fail". When they speak, tongues of fire come from their mouths. If one answers their questions incorrectly, one is beaten every day, other than Friday, until Allah gives permission for the beating to stop.

 

 

[xabad]

That the Messenger of Allah said: "There are six things with Allah for the martyr. He is forgiven with the first flow of blood (he suffers), he is shown his place in Paradise,

he is protected from punishment in the grave

, secured from the greatest terror, the crown of dignity is placed upon his head—and its gems are better than the world and what is in it—he is married to seventy two wives among Al-Huril-'Ayn of Paradise, and he may intercede for seventy of his close relatives.

 

 

[Tallaabo]

This nice article explains my views really well.

http://quransmessage.com/articles/grave%20punishment%20FM3.htm

[xabad]

It's in the grave where the dead know their position either in Janna or Jahannama.

 

A window is opened to them, wherein they will either receive the fragrant smells and the cool air of Janna or the foul and heat of Jahannama according to their life deeds.

 

The righteous person will also be shown a preview of the houris designated for him and his abode and he will beg Allah to hasten the Hour so that he can meet up with his wives in Janna

 

The Kaafir will beg Allah to delay the Hour because of the terrors he knows await him in Hell.

 

 

 

 

 

[xabad]

@Tallaabo

said:

This nice article explains my views really well.

http://quransmessage.com/articles/grave%20punishment%20FM3.htm

 

According to the Quran, there is no such concept as a ‘punishment in the grave’. This is a concept completely alien and unsupported by the Quran. This concept is found primarily (with all its details) in Islamic secondary sources.

 

So your a Qura'anist ?

 

If you reject the Axaadiith of the prophet, then your a kaafir.