Amiin Caamir on Abdiwalli Gaas double standard

[malistar2012]

Amiin Caamir on Abdiwalli Gaas double standard

 

 

 

 

[xabad]

Right, they always see the speck in other people's eyes, failing to notice the logs in theirs.

 

Don't you just love their new found soft spot for the .5 people, when did their ever about anyone other than their clan bal.

 

Let them answer these following:

 

How would a District System be implemented ?

 

Can they be a credible census in Somalia at this moment ?

 

Can we ever ensure a credible direct one man voting anywhere in Somalia ?

 

Would a large but sparsely populated District have the same number of MP's as more populous one ?

 

How would different clans or even sub clans in the same district agree on their MP's ?

 

Why does an impoverished country need a second legislative body ?

 

Would we use the current Gobolo ? remember Siyaad Barre gerrymandered them to give certain some clans extra.

 

 

[xabad]

There can never be a popular democracy based on an individual in the western Jeffersonian sense in a country where people only identity is clan, this fact is immutable. Some other form of governance that suits them will have to be found. Gaal waxooda kaliya yaa la isku jaangoyn.

 

 

[Che -Guevara]

A case of everyone else is qabiilist hehe.

 

Whatever argument you were trying to put forward was lost in your general condemnation and over-generalization of en entire people.

[Che -Guevara]

For as the .5 issue, forget what faradheer is saying, have a conversation with Benadari, Barawani, or Bantu person.

[xabad]

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@Che -Guevara

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A case of everyone else is qabiilist hehe.

 

Whatever argument you were trying to put forward was lost in your general condemnation and over-generalization of en entire people.

 

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[Che -Guevara]

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@xabad

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runta waa la isku nacaa, .

 

I am more interested in facts. Can you factually prove an entire people are as you put "qabiilistayasha ugu xun"?

 

And I suppose people , (Xasan Sheikh included) that are supporting 4.5 are doing it out of sincere conviction?

[xabad]

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[Che -Guevara]

Who's they?

 

[Tillamook]

^

Lol?

 

C'mon, Che:

 

You know that inconsequential non-entity is mad at me for ripping him a new a-hole in that other thread.

 

So just let him be... let him rile against his betters. ?

 

 

[galbeedi]

While District voting and ridding should be the next step. it is not feasible at the moment. Elections were held in war torn countries like Afghanistan and Iraq, while chaos and insurgencies were going on. The difference was that their governments prepared and implemented their goals of democratic voting.

 

How can anyone expect a president who could not equip and train couple of hundred Somali soldiers for his own safety, will conduct a nation wide election. Since Somalis walk like tortoise , it will take a year or more to even designate and demarcate the so called districts. One thing is for sure Somalis will never accept fair and balanced system.

 

Look at Somaliland, in 2003, they had municipal and presidential elation. Everyone agreed that they were fair and free. Then, In 2005, when it came to parliament, they could not agree a simple formula on district demarcation or population based numbers. The least they could have done is use the total number of those who voted for the presidential election and divide to the regions.

 

Those who fear the actual voter distribution were the so called majority tribe. The biggest hurdle for Somali democracy is " Kuwii sadbursday ayaa doonaya intaa in ka badan".

 

So, the three parties decided to use the 1960 district for the number of parliament representatives. How can one would base their estimate of the population on the pre-colonial boundaries and districts of fifty years ago. They said it is provisional compromise that will last until the next election in five years. Well, 11 years have passed and nothing has been done. Do not expect the next election to be any different.

 

On that history and experience alone, I will not suggest to anyone to another unelected member sitting in the parliament through a district system while the citizens of the district would have any say.

 

They will be appointed by C/kariim Guleed, Ahmed Madoobe, Shariif Hassan and C/weli. If they could appoint about 40 or 50 members, they will definitely have a leg up in the ladder to become a president in the 2016 election. The whole game could be tied to that election. As reported by Nicholas Kay himself, the pool of the electoral collage convened for the election of the president will be larger this time around . It will be based on 4.5, but about 5000 members will convene, which minimizes the whole sale bribing of abut hundred people.

 

Also, these Somali regional states must conduct fair and free election in their regions. The districts that we are looking may come out from those regions. Finally I am afraid that 16 years of 4.5 could be replaced by another unfair and unelected system which could last another decade.

[xabad]

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@Che -Guevara

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Who's they?

 

The secret reptilian cabal that won't let the country settle.

[Che -Guevara]

lol@Tillamook

 

I am beginning to think Xabad is Jadiid.

 

 

[xabad]

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@galbeedi

said:</cite>

While District voting and ridding should be the next step. it is not feasible at the moment. Elections were held in war torn countries like Afghanistan and Iraq, while chaos and insurgencies were going on. The difference was that their governments prepared and implemented their goals of democratic voting.

 

How can anyone expect a president who could not equip and train couple of hundred Somali soldiers for his own safety, will conduct a nation wide election. Since Somalis walk like tortoise , it will take a year or more to even designate and demarcate the so called districts. One thing is for sure Somalis will never accept fair and balanced system.

 

Look at Somaliland, in 2003, they had municipal and presidential elation. Everyone agreed that they were fair and free. Then, In 2005, when it came to parliament, they could not agree a simple formula on district demarcation or population based numbers. The least they could have done is use the total number of those who voted for the presidential election and divide to the regions.

 

Those who fear the actual voter distribution were the so called majority tribe. The biggest hurdle for Somali democracy is " Kuwii sadbursday ayaa doonaya intaa in ka badan".

 

So, the three parties decided to use the 1960 district for the number of parliament representatives. How can one would base their estimate of the population on the pre-colonial boundaries and districts of fifty years ago. They said it is provisional compromise that will last until the next election in five years. Well, 11 years have passed and nothing has been done. Do not expect the next election to be any different.

 

On that history and experience alone, I will not suggest to anyone to another unelected member sitting in the parliament through a district system while the citizens of the district would have any say.

 

They will be appointed by C/kariim Guleed, Ahmed Madoobe, Shariif Hassan and C/weli. If they could appoint about 40 or 50 members, they will definitely have a leg up in the ladder to become a president in the 2016 election. The whole game could be tied to that election. As reported by Nicholas Kay himself, the pool of the electoral collage convened for the election of the president will be larger this time around . It will be based on 4.5, but about 5000 members will convene, which minimizes the whole sale bribing of abut hundred people.

 

Also, these Somali regional states must conduct fair and free election in their regions. The districts that we are looking may come out from those regions. Finally I am afraid that 16 years of 4.5 could be replaced by another unfair and unelected system which could last another decade.

 

This man gets it.

[xabad]

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@Tillamook

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^

Lol?

 

C'mon, Che:

 

You know that inconsequential non-entity is mad at me for ripping him a new a-hole in that other thread.

 

So just let him be... let him rile against his betters. ?

 

 

 

^ My reaction to Tillamook's isku camirid and pathetic efforts to rile me up. Son, so pugnacious for what ?