nairobian Posted May 12, 2015 I've just been lurking and some of the posts here show a regrettable tendency:many of you identify with the worst Al Shabaab elements,openly singing their praises and cursing the KDF. Fyi,the decision to invade has been pending since the collapse of Somalia. Once,construction of LAPSSET,transAfrica the oil pipeline/rail/highway began in Lamu it became imperative to safeguard the project. Kibaki wasn't under western orders,in fact they were shocked. Anyway its not just treason but you're morally supporting national stagnation when you slander the KDF,talking about 'thousands of dead Somalis' and other ish. You're playing the role of Uyghers,west Chinese Caucasoids. <img src="https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTouFVhwMFywzaoYGWAq7b1gTyPARQzxwzHLQsatm9pzDE8lz8 ISA" alt="uygher leader" /> These are the fav ethnic misused by the CIA to stir up trouble with the majority Han Chinese. Kenya has made very very real developments as this study shows. A combi of different metrics shows we're the first 3rd world country at position 26 just behind Japan ahead of Singapore in individual contributions to the Global Good. I know its emotionally inconvenient to accept we're not a failed state but its true-should you decide to sabotage our progress,the price you will pay is ENORMOUS. Trust me. Don't let false pride lead you into national sabotage and derailment. If you feel you must react emotionally as is often your custom be prepared to reap the Apocalypse itself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tallaabo Posted May 12, 2015 <cite> @nairobian said:</cite> I've just been lurking and some of the posts here show a regrettable tendency:many of you identify with the worst Al Shabaab elements,openly singing their praises and cursing the KDF. Fyi,the decision to invade has been pending since the collapse of Somalia. Once,construction of LAPSSET,transAfrica the oil pipeline/rail/highway began in Lamu it became imperative to safeguard the project. Kibaki wasn't under western orders,in fact they were shocked. Anyway its not just treason but you're morally supporting national stagnation when you slander the KDF,talking about 'thousands of dead Somalis' and other ish. You're playing the role of Uyghers,west Chinese Caucasoids. <img src="https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTouFVhwMFywzaoYGWAq7b1gTyPARQzxwzHLQsatm9pzDE8lz8 ISA" alt="uygher leader" /> These are the fav ethnic misused by the CIA to stir up trouble with the majority Han Chinese. Kenya has made very very real developments as this study shows. A combi of different metrics shows we're the first 3rd world country at position 26 just behind Japan ahead of Singapore in individual contributions to the Global Good. I know its emotionally inconvenient to accept we're not a failed state but its true- should you decide to sabotage our progress,the price you will pay is ENORMOUS . Trust me. What a load of rubbish!! The Kikiyus ahead of Singapore kkkkkk. And Cyprus ahead of Germany in Science and Technology!!! Please first post another meaningful metric table and then we will start having an intelligent discussion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tallaabo Posted May 12, 2015 I think Guatemala is in the right place given their contribution to the global narcotics trade but where is Afghanistan which is also a major player in this lucrative business? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Che -Guevara Posted May 12, 2015 What's with the threats? Hehe Calm down buddy, Kenya is just another corrupt African country led by tribal mafia. The KDF is a corrupt institution manned by poorly paid soldiers. Far from protecting Kenya, KDF is in cahoots with sugar smugglers, charcoal traders and Alshabab itself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
somalee Posted May 12, 2015 Utter tripe! Somali-Kenyans have been treated worse than Uighurs since Kenya gained independence. I can't even exhaust in this reply their plight and suffering. And KDF? They are a bunch of incompetent, coward and corrupt career soldiers who can't even fight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nairobian Posted May 12, 2015 Your responses are,how can I put it-feminine. Emotional and totally devoid of sense. The people who gathered those stats used a host of metrics,everything from prosperity,gender equality,culture,international peace and security and contribution to world order. Have a good look at it here:http://karanjazplace.blogspot.com/2015/05/attention-somalisdont-play-uyghur.html Tell me if the KDF is so incompetent,how were they able to kill 3000 Al Shabaab? Have you heard of the fantastic KDF kill ratios in Jana Cabdallah,Miido,Xoosingo and those other dusty nameless places in S Somalia? I know guys there;they all say the same. Al Shabaab died massively whenever they tried to make a stand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naxar Nugaaleed Posted May 12, 2015 <cite> @nairobian said:</cite> Your responses are,how can I put it- feminine. Emotional and totally devoid of sense. Anyone ignorant and backward enough to say something like that should be more concerned about seeking knowledge rather then debating online about a third world army and the circumstance of the Uighurs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nairobian Posted May 12, 2015 <cite> @Naxar Nugaaleed said:</cite> Anyone ignorant and backward enough to say something like that should be more concerned about seeking knowledge rather then debating online about a third world army and the circumstance of the Uighurs. Kenya is a 3rd world country-of course the army is 3rd world! But that's not the point. They're idle in Kismayo with nobody to play with for now having drastically reduced the Al Shabaab manpower base. The point is: don't allow yourselves to be misused by the Anglo Zionists to sabotage our national progress! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mooge Posted May 15, 2015 nairobian, if i ignore your hate-motivated BS about IDF and stuff, for me as a principle i support Kenya's fight against Al-shabab inside Somalia . Kenya didn't choose this fight, nor did it start. it was the terrorist who started kidnapping civilians and tourists before kenya even sent a single soldier to somalia. let us be honest niyoow. some somalis who support mogadishu government are against Kenyans being in Somalia but these people are blinded by clan because they think if Jubbaland Federal State prospers, it is bad news for them. Kenya must keep supporting the new rising Jubbaland Federal State and help Jubaland state fight the terrorists. a fight against the bloody terrorists is a fight that helps the Somali people everywhere. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nairobian Posted May 16, 2015 nairobian, if i ignore your hate-motivated BS about IDF and stuff, for me as a principle i Please explain! I only clarified to forumers here why the KDF had to go in and what happened when the met the Al Shabaab in the field. Fyi,the few experienced AS survivors uniformly said they'd rather tangle with the UPDF any day than the KDF. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nin-Yaaban Posted May 16, 2015 Y'know, I generally have a positive view of Kenyans and Kenya since I lived there after the war and before coming to the US. But you lost me when u said we are all Al.Shabaab sympathizers. SMH. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DoctorKenney Posted May 16, 2015 Nairobian, believe me if we Somalis were united, we would put you Kenyan dogs in your place. Wallahi, if Somalis from all the major clans gathered together and set aside our differences and worked together as brothers, there would be NOTHING you Kenyans would be able to do to us. Nothing at all. Your Kenyan government has sponsored different Somali warlords to kill our own people, your Kenyan troops are raping our Somali women, your Kenyan State is occupying 137,000 square kilometers of Somali territory, and you now have the nerve to claim we are the aggressors. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nin-Yaaban Posted May 17, 2015 DoctorKenney, that's not entirely true. Kenya has done a lot for Somalis, and it's still the only country in the horn that let's Somalis start and own businesses. I would say 65% of all Somalis who fled the war transited thru Kenya. And there are still hundreds of thousands Somalis living there. Dadka laguma jizaaro. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nairobian Posted May 20, 2015 <cite> @Nin-Yaaban said:</cite> DoctorKenney, that's not entirely true. Kenya has done a lot for Somalis, and it's still the only country in the horn that let's Somalis start and own businesses. I would say 65% of all Somalis who fled the war transited thru Kenya. And there are still hundreds of thousands Somalis living there. Dadka laguma jizaaro. Exactly! This is obvious to anyone in the region with eyes. Nairobian, believe me if we Somalis were united, we would put you Kenyan dogs in your place. Wallahi, if Somalis from all the major clans gathered together and set aside our differences and worked together as brothers, there would be NOTHING you Kenyans would be able to do to us. Nothing at all. Your Kenyan government has sponsored different Somali warlords to kill our own people, your Kenyan troops are raping our Somali women, your Kenyan State is occupying 137,000 square kilometers of Somali territory, and you now have the nerve to claim we are the aggress Tell me,nin-yabaan,where does such loud mouth hate come from? Fyi,guys like this were even on Nigerian forums threatening Kenyans after the invasion,though tbh, they've now recognised the long term occupation for what it is and gone silent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ElPunto Posted May 21, 2015 <cite> @Nin-Yaaban said:</cite> DoctorKenney, that's not entirely true. Kenya has done a lot for Somalis, and it's still the only country in the horn that let's Somalis start and own businesses. I would say 65% of all Somalis who fled the war transited thru Kenya. And there are still hundreds of thousands Somalis living there. Dadka laguma jizaaro. Somalis have done a lot for Kenya. They have started businesses that employ thousands of Kenyans and have invested hundreds of millions in the country. They have single-handedly turned Islii into the primary marketplace for East and Central Africa. Somalia's continued instability has created a multi billion aid industry employing thousands based in Nairobi pumping huge quantities of money and jobs into the Kenyan economy. The endemic corruption that is part and parcel of everyday income for Kenyans has gotten a huge boost as Kenyans prey on Somalis for bribes and that Somalis pay readily. In short Somalis are contributing massively to Kenya. Let's not create illusory stories about what Kenya has done for Somalis - they barely do anything for their own citizens. As if they have done special favours for Somalis! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites