Farah Abdulqadir Removed From Justice and Constitutional Affairs Post

[malistar2012]

Sarkaal ka tirsan Xafiiska Garsoorka, ayaa wuxuu sheegay in Wasaaradu ay iminka ku hawlaneyd, sidii ay Xarumo kaga furan laheyd Magaalooyinka Baydhabo, Kismaayo, Marka, Baladweyne iyo Galkacyo, iyadoo laga duulaayo qorshaha Garsoorka lagu wada gaarsiinaayo dhammaan Gobolada Somaliya oo idil.

 

Sarkaalkaan wuxuu sheegay in Wasaaradu ay diyaarisay isku duwayaal u qaabilsan Wasaarada Garsoorka, si ay kaga hawlgalaan Magaalooyinka waaweyn ee dalka.

 

 

 

why is the Prime Minister targeting Mudane Faarax sheekh Cabdiqaadir who is doing significant heavy work for The Government of Somalia . Sarkaalkaan wuxuu sheegay in Wasaaradu ay diyaarisay isku duwayaal u qaabilsan Wasaarada Garsoorka, si ay kaga hawlgalaan Magaalooyinka waaweyn ee dalka.

 

 

The Prime minister must Go he has become a spoiler and obstacle , Pm Abdiwali’s is dangerous to the Nation Progress , mudane Xasan Sheekh Maxamuud should not tolerate such Ciyaal suuq behavior this stubborn Kaacanist attitude should be deported back to Canada.

 

 

 

[Tillamook]

Malistar, yet again, you are fighting a hopeless battle

 

You keep asking why is this "kacaanist" removing Farah, but yet you fail to get through that thick skull of yours that the PM has the authority given to him by the constitution to reshuffle and dismiss ministers from his cabinet as he deems necessary.

 

 

[malistar2012]

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@Tillamook

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^

Thanks for sharing with us the accomplishments of the

former

minister of Justice.

 

We now hope you will continue to do so as Minister Farah takes his expertise and hardwork to the Ministry of Veterinary services.

 

Presidential Powers:

 

(e) Dismiss ministers, state ministers and deputy ministers on the recommendation of the Prime

Minister;

 

(k)–Appoint senior Federal Government officials and the heads of the Federal Government Institutions on the recommendation of the Council of Ministers;

 

 

The President has the responsibility to safe the nation and fulfill his election promise , fulfill his policy vision six pillar policy strategy . This ciiyaal suuq Abdiwali picking fight with the President going after senior Gov officials who are making progress should not be tolerated .

 

PM choose to get under the skin of the President this is not responsible person therefor The President needs to fire him ASAP....... The country security and progress is at risk .

[Tillamook]

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Keep going in circles, like a kitten playing with its tail, all you want.

 

The PM has the authority to reshuffle his cabinet. If the president is unhappy about the sidelining of his allies in key ministerial positions, then he should resist that using the powers given to him by the constitution.

 

At the end of the day, the final arbiter of this spat between the president and pm will be the constitution.

 

And as you know... gari labo qof kama wada qosliso!

[thefuturenow]

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@Odey

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Saxiib thank you for your comments- at least you are logical in your approach unlike some.

 

If i may come back to a few points you made-

 

 

 

You are right, presidential powers includes appointing and firing ministers but only after receiving recommendation from PM, whereas the PM has full powers to fire or appoint without needing any further authorisation.

 

 

In this case,PM comes with the changes and the role of the president is similar to a constitutional monarch and he ascends the bill or recomendation passed to him. Let me be clear , he has other powers but on this issue that is his role.

 

The PM has NOT fired or appointed NEW ministers, he simply moved them around and doesnt need any permission to do so.

 

If i come to the state formation-

Again the constitution says that "new" states being formed must be 2 or more provinces pre-1991 provinces and it also clearly says existing states at the time of ratifying the constitution are excempt from intereference in their territorial integrity.

 

So, that means Puntland is out of bounds and the first agreement signed in Xamar was on the wrong side of the constitution.

 

As far as the new state being formed is concerned, unless people are looking to create mayhem, why cant it be galgaduud, hiiraan, shabeelada dhexe and half of mudug,

 

Alternatively if you have an issue with the division of mudug, why not add the remainder of mudug to Puntland, a state that has been in existence for 16 yrs and then have galgaduud, hiiraan and shabelada dhexe as a state.

 

Again, that would be the logical solution but of course, that is not what they want is it?....

 

 

Odey,

 

Before we proceed, let me say we are dealing with a flawed document--i.e. the provisional constitution.

 

I do not disagree that the constitution affords the PM the powers that he exercised. It's just that they have been made suspect by the "recommendation" clause. It is vague enough to make this a valid political fight.

 

As for the state formation issue, the constitution states that they have to be pre-1991 borders. So Mudug would have to enter as a whole under those terms. And all the new states will be excluded--including Puntland (formed 1998.) But the political reality is that Puntland exists. So why eliminate it? And can you?

 

The jist of my post was that constitutional issues and how they are going to be resolved are the most important factors right now. That is why this re-shuffling has become a political fight. The president has very little in his favor and the PM knows it.

 

 

[malistar2012]

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@Tillamook

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Keep going in circles, like a kitten playing with its tail, all you want.

 

The PM has the authority to reshuffle his cabinet. If the president is unhappy about the sidelining of his allies in key ministerial positions, then he should resist that using the powers given to him by the constitution.

 

At the end of the day, the final arbiter of this spat between the president and pm will be the constitution.

 

And as you know... gari labo qof kama wada qosliso!

 

we will see who comprises in the next week or Parliament wlll decide the faith ofthe prime minister he applied for a job, went through the interview process, agree to the terms & conditions and then once in the office start acting like a Afweeyna lol The Audacity !!

..lol

[Odey]

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@malistar2012

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we will see who comprises in the next week or Parliament wlll decide the faith ofthe prime minister he applied for a job, went through the interview process, agree to the terms & conditions and then once in the office start acting like a Afweeyna lol The Audacity !!

..lol

 

War heedhahaya kani caawa ma qumane ma irbaday lasoo dhaceen

[Odey]

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@thefuturenow

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Odey,

 

Before we proceed, let me say we are dealing with a flawed document--i.e. the

provisional

constitution.

 

I do not disagree that the constitution affords the PM the powers that he exercised. It's just that they have been made suspect by the "recommendation" clause. It is vague enough to make this a valid political fight.

 

As for the state formation issue, the constitution states that they have to be pre-1991 borders. So Mudug would have to enter as a whole under those terms. And all the new states will be excluded--including Puntland (formed 1998.) But the political reality is that Puntland exists. So why eliminate it? And can you?

 

The jist of my post was that constitutional issues and how they are going to be resolved are the most important factors right now. That is why this re-shuffling has become a political fight. The president has very little in his favor and the PM knows it.

 

I think the elephant in the room is the fact that this has nothing to do with constitution but it is an ego clash. There is an intense need by both these leaders for control, control of Government and the system was designed for "teamwork", sadly both of them are not looking out for the NATION, a a nation of poor, displaced, starving and currently bleeding at the hands of insurgents. this was the time for them to work together....oh and before malister starts pointing the finger at the PM, let's not forget this president had a very corporative PM before and he got rid of him. He has an ego which surpasses the needs of the nation. We do have a major fcuk and we need to get rid of both these muppets.

[Tillamook]

Odey, I disagree...

 

Culusow is one power hungry numbskull of a President who will stoop to very low levels to ensure the negative influence of his damjadiid overlords have on the federalization program in the country , and will do everything and anything to undermine the rule of law in Somalia.

 

On the other hand, you have a Prime Minister who wants the federal system to get fully implemented and to do so, understands the necessity of sidelining Damjadiid who from the get go have done their best to place roadblocks on the path of the Federalization project in Somalia.

 

Ultimately, this flawed constitution that our friend above spoke of--however provisional, it might-- is the law of the land. If it says, the president has a say on how the PM manages his cabinet, then by all means-- he will come out the victor in this political scuffle.

 

But I believe, the PM would not have reshuffled his cabinet if he did not beleieve he had the authority to do so provided to him by the constitution.

[Dabrow]

This political infighting will keep going on as long the president remains in office.

President Hassan sheikh shouldn't interfere in the pm job and until this boundary is respected from the powerhungry president then the progress will be delayed in the country until a solution comes to deal with the president childish behavior.

[thefuturenow]

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@Odey

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I think the elephant in the room is the fact that this has nothing to do with constitution but it is an ego clash. There is an intense need by both these leaders for control, control of Government and the system was designed for "teamwork", sadly both of them are not looking out for the NATION, a a nation of poor, displaced, starving and currently bleeding at the hands of insurgents. this was the time for them to work together....oh and before malister starts pointing the finger at the PM, let's not forget this president had a very corporative PM before and he got rid of him. He has an ego which surpasses the needs of the nation. We do have a major fcuk and we need to get rid of both these muppets.

 

 

You're absolutely right. It's first and foremost a power struggle. But that's BECAUSE of the federalism process. and what its implementation means for future power distribution.

 

The federalism process is not neutral. It will be shaped by those who hold control over its institutions. And that's what this fight is about. Control of those institutions in order to have favorable outcomes for their constituents (aka clans).

 

The mistake some people are making is that they think either the PM or the PR is right and the other is wrong. Objectively, that's not true. The PM has taken some unconstitutional acts and the president is doing the same. Thus, the constitutional issues are unclear and it's a valid legal fight.

 

But at the very bottom of it--as always--is the deep mistrust that all parties involved hold against all other parties involved.