galbeedi Posted October 3, 2014 TRIBAL NATIONALISM, THE NEW NORMAL. Tribal hegemony is going to be the new normal. The best way to confront these tribal homelands is to setup your own , and let the chips fell where they may. Tribal based institutions will not last that much. they may project the image of progress and useless might when they compare o to theirs, but empty hubris , injustice, corruption and , their own incompetence will eventually destroy them from within. Last spring, I started a topic exploring Somali leaders of our time, from 1956 to Present day Qoslaaye. I divided them in three categories. Democrats and nation builders; military dictators and oppartunists. Among the oppartunists , I did mention, C/qaasim, Gaalyr, Siilaanyo and Qoslaate. I did cover C/qaasim on the last segment, and now, the time has come for the Twin politicians from (Bari), Togdhgeer and Sool. While this topic is specifically to analyse the 45 years political maneuvering of two opportunists, at the same time I will cover the historical backgrounds and the gathering of the new storm which will effect greatly, the people of Somaliland if proper actions are not taken. Most systems are not destroyed by armies or earth quakes, but , the internal decay of the system which doesn't respond to the challenges of the day. This is my take on the events of these two men, especially, covering the events that led Galydh to leave the country in 1982 , and the bath Siilaanyo followed to join SNM. This is history according to Galbeedi, so, If anyone want to challenge or refute my conclusions, you must provide concrete arguments. Generation X, youngsters who learned history through their uncles or tribes are not allowed to debate this article. Few months ago, I said Cali Khaliif is not interested about Khaatumo. I was wrong . The Title Of Regional President is a batch to seek a higher office and a base to play for the tribal games of the day. Why would a well known former Prime Minister decide to cronate himself in a tiny dusty village in the hinterland, while big cities like Laascaanood and historical towns like Taleex which are the traditional homes of the "Garaad community". The reason is , Laascaanood is controlled by a group of militia connected to Somaliland. They decided to share their lot with Somaliland. THey are called J. Siyaad, and they don't like Cali Khaliif and his agenda. Taleex ins the home of interior minister of Puntland Mr. Ahmed Cilmi Osman ( Ahmed Garaash), who last year with help of Puntland, Attacked Cali Khaliif and his conference in Taleex, killing a dozen people. After that clash, he was rewarded as the interior minister of Puntland , in the C/weli Government. He vehemently opposes Cali Khaliif. Before Galayr finally settled in the village of Saxadheer, he went to Buuhoodle town at the border with Ethiopia. Buuhoodle is the home of Hawdians people who have nothing in common with Nugaal Valley Garaad community. They are not only proud , but they are hard headed Hawdians who made the largest fighters for the Darwiish movement in early twentieth century. If you are a follower of Somali Literature and historical poems of the last century, you will not miss this punch. They are called Ali's the Giraffe. This famous poem by Ismaaciil Mirre dipictes their arrogance: Lixda koos ee Reer Cali GEri Kow iskaga Siiyey Kasi Waayey, wuxu waa qabaal waanad kabataaye Ragow Kibirka waa lagu Kufaaye kaa ha la Ogaado. In Buuhoodle, the Blue Somali flag is flying in the piazza's and could be found every where. Galaydh , met in Buuhoodle, another native son of the town , and Somaliland minister XaglaToosiye. After two days of negotiations, Ali Khaliif was told " Shirkaaga Meel kale la aad". Here you see three different groups , residing different parts of the land , who all rejected Galaydh. All these rejections didn't prevent Galaydh to build a base to launch his political ambitions. This division of Garaad Community is not something unusual among Somalis. There are deep divisions among all tribes. Even the SNM Habroos have bigger division than most think, but they all agree in the concept of Somaliland for now. When Rayaale was President , Burco was very close to Somali issdues. The Somali shilling were not only used their, but a lot of Pro Somalia movements were based their. If Siilaanyo had lost the election, only Allah knows what could have happened. Any way, Cali Khaliif, is spread heading these conference without first minimizing the huge gabs that exist in his community. It is a lazy way of doing business. Finally, he settled to the village where his immediate sub clans hail. I got a lot of crissum last time when I said Galaydh is destabilizing the region. What I meant was, he didn't do his home work before being chased from village to village. I thought that he didn't gain the trust of his community before forming his Khaatumo. Having said that , the fact is Cali Khaliif is exactly following the same formula Somalis are using these days to set up tribal home lands, which is, instigate your own kin, control your own tribal land, ask help from the United Nations and other development agencies, have a base for your Political ambitions , and eventually declare yourself a president. The so called Somali constitution, which will not last that much, says, " Federal states must must consist two or more states". Regardless of what Somaliland says or does, no one can control another tribe, or prevent them from deciding their own destiny. It is futile for Somaliland to spend the meagre resourses which is badly needed to force people to Somaliland. Even former SNM fighters in Hargeisa are saying that no one can gain confidence of the people with barrel of the gun. Before we indulge to the future of Khaatumo and Galaydh , let us look back these two characters, and the trails, Galaydh and Siilaanyo left behind. In order to understand these complicated characters, let us go back forty years and the root of this new development. By exploring Galaydh, the constant shadow of his twin sidekick Ahmed Siilaanyo , could be seen on every step. Both of them stratrd the journey long time ago. They are also life long friends. They may play the game in different way, but they are aware of each others maneuverers. Waa Rag Iska War Haya, Wada Socda, kalana Socda. Galaydh and Siilaanyo joined the Somali civil service in late nineteen sixties, after earning masteres degrees from America and Britain respectively. Galaydh joined the Somali institute of development and management ( SIDAM) , while Siilaanyo became director at planing ministry. After the coup of 1969, by the Somali military, both of them imediately became important members of the Kacaan. They were among the few of the educated class who became leaders in a government dominated by miliatery officers. In 1974, Galaydh was the manager of Snai piasa", Jowahar Sugar Factory. It was the largest Somali owned factory, employing ten thousand people . In mid seventies, the Jawhar based factory, not only produced sugar, but also : clothes, garments, Cigarettes, Alcohol, matches on one side, and rice, cotton, and other dry foods in other departments. It was the most successful Somali industrial project of anytime. It was estimated the factory produced almost 10% of Somalia's GDP. Later he managed the Jubba Sugar project with multi million dollar project. In 1980, he was appointed as the Industry Minister. Ahmed Siilaanyo had a long instinct as planning minister, and other important portfolios in the military government. In that same year , in 1980, Ahmed Siilaanyo was the Minister of Commerce and the chairman of National Economic Board. Both of them were more educated and sophisticated than the average member of the " kacaanka' counsel. Unlike the military or revolutionary men who dominated the power in Somalia in early and late seventies, they were civilian technocrats who joined the the "Kacaan". Also , both of them had family and friends in the higher echelons of the military government. Galaydh's cousin and friend Ahmed Suleyman Cabadalle, was not only among the top five leaders of the "Kacaan", but also married to the daughter of Siyaad Barre. He was also the Intelligence chief and the interior minister in that government. Saleebaan Dafle proved himself early as the a secret agent of Siyaad Barre, when in October/23/1969, two days after the revolution, he and his men apprehended the second group of the civilian politicains and leaders. . Among those he arrested were Addan Cabulle Osman, Sheekh Mukhtaar, Muuse Boqor and Mohamed abshir. Two days earlier October/21/1969, Prime minister Cigaal and his cabinet were already arrested. Ahmed Siilaanyo, just like Galaydh, had access to some of the powerful men of the "Kacaanka":. A fellow Burcaawi Ismaaciil Cali Abokor , was known as the most hard working among the "Kacaan". He was the Minister of Propaganda and member of the five ruling Politburo member. Ismacil, was the chairman of almost all the Committees appointed by the Kacaan to implement its agenda. Among them : Ololihii qorista af-Soomaaliga ( the campaign to write the Somali alphapet) Ololihii la dagaalanka qabyaalada( The campaign to eliminate vtriblism) Ololihii gudiga hirgelinta hantiwadaaga (he committee for the imlimentation of Socialism) Ololihii Horumarinta Shaqaalaha ( labour development and joib creation) Ololihii Hanuunta dadweynaha ( The nationalawarness propagandh of the governemt). In the early years, The Kacaan had trusted insiders who plotted the agenda of the government. They were, Siyaad Barre, Cali Samatar, Saleebaan Dafle, Cumar Xaaji Massale and Ismaaciil A abokor. Saleebaan Dafle and Ismaciil A. Abokor , both were classmates who grew up in the Sheekh town of Togdheer , and then joined the military togather. Another Cousin Ahmed Hassan Muuse was also among the leaders of the "Kacaan". In the seventies , it was normal to see four or five Eastern boys from Togdheer in the cabinet. There was times, that Siilaanyo, Ahmed Hassan Muuse, Saleebaan mohamed ( Saleebaan Gaal), and Ismaaciil A. Abokor, were all ministers in the Government. All of them cousins from Togdheer. . On the other hand, their maternal cousins from Sool and Togdheer were also among the top leaders of the Kacaan. Ahmed Saleebaan Cabdalle ( Saleebaan dafle), became not only the son ilaw of Siyaad barre, but the most powerfull intelligence chief of Somalia. Another one from Sool, C/rahman Caydiid -- who was latter assassinated by C/lahi Yusuf in Diredawa Ethiopia, after joining the opposition--- was one of the handful of Somalis who opposed Siyaad barre for ideological reasons. After Somalia abandoned the Soviet Block , A/rahman Aydeed crossed to Ethiopia to join the socialist block. He was the architect of the Scientific Socialism in Somalia. He was a die hard socialist who , Even in the early year of the revolution, didn't believed that the government socialist enough. Waa Dadkii Lagu Eedeeyey in ay Kacaanka Ka Dheereeyeen. Some documents released after the colapse of the Soviet Union and East Germany, indicate that there were power strugle among the top leaders of the Kacaan. It noted that Saleebaan Dafle was among those favoring the Saudi-American alliance to replace theGodless Soviet order in east Africa, while Cali Samtar and others favored Soviet block communism. Eventually the Son in law and his friends won the argument and the Soviet was expelled from Somalia. Infact, more than forty percent of the Military officers of the revolution that overthrew the civilian government were northern officers. i could go further to say that the most influential of the early "Kacaan" were " reer woqooyi". The Number two man of the Kacaan in 1969, was General Ahmed Cali Qorshell , the chief of Somali national police, was from Sanaag. Almost 40% of the officers who overthrew the civilian government were Reer Woqooyi. Here is the list. 1- General Ahmed Ali Qorsheel, From Sanaag. 2- General Mohamed Caynaashe, from Sanaag. 3-Colonel Ismacil A. Abokor, Sheekh, Togdheer. 4-Colonel Ahmed Suleyman cabadalle, sheekh, Togdheer 5-colonel Mohamed Cali Shire, from Laascanood. 6-Colonel Faarax Wacays duule, from Awdal 7-Colonel Ahmed Mohamuud farah, from Hargeisa. 8-Colonel Ahmed Hassan Muuse, from Burco. 9-Colonel Muuse Rabiile Good, from Boorama 10- Colonel Mohamed Cumar Jees, from Hargeisa. Then , add this group to the other civilians who took a lions share for the "Kacaan" agenda. Cumar Carte Qalib, Ibrahim Maygaag Smatar, Jaamac Rabiile Good ( he was the first government minister to abandon Siyaad Barre and become oppositionin 1975), and Mohamed Hawdaadle Madar, one of last Prime Minister of the SIyaad government in late eighties. The Northern leaders were the ones that took the agenda of the Kacaan to the forefront. Without the Propaganda , hard work and expertise of the Northerners, the Kacaan could not have succeeded in the Seventies. IN terms of culture, art and national propaganda, the Reed Woqoyi composers, poets and playwright makers were among the top of SOMALI culture during the Kacaan. Yes there were some southern composers like Yamyam and others, but they were all junions compared to the heavyweights of the north. Men like Hassan Shrek Miu min , Ali SUgulle, Mohamuud C/laahi Sangub , Said Saalax, Hadraawi, Cismaan Askari, Mohamed ALI Kariye, , Huseen Aw Faarah and many more. Among the unforgettable lyrics of the northern composers were Ali Sugule's songs to promote the writing of the Somali language and the spread heading of freedom and African nationalism. Af qalaad Aqoontu miyaa? Maya maya, mahee, Afqaalaad Aqoontu Miyaa? Maya ee Waa ninmbe EEbe intuu Gashaa Ayey Nala Tahay Anagee , ma Ogtahay dib looma abuura dadkee. And, Hobay Afikay Hurudooy , Cadow ku Heerye Huruudooy Halyeyadaadi Hurudooy , Haad baa Cunaaye Hurudooy Hama La Saraa Hurudooy, Hayaan Sidiise Hurooday La Hogaaminaaye., Duli Lamaa Hilaabtee, Away Hanaa Dadaadii. How about Huseen Aw Farah, the dean of Somali Playwright. Waaba Baryey, bilicsan, Arooryo Baxsan, Maalin Boqoran, manta nmanta manta waa malin weyne manta. I would to take this opportunity to mention Huseen Aw Faarah, was the first Somali to compose and act on " Somali Riwaayd" in 1956. long time ago, I heard him narrate how he composed the lyrics of one of his famous romantic songs called " Webiyo Isku OOman" . While in Sudan on one of his tours, he vistited the Nile river basin, where the white Nile river meets the blue Nile. Standing beside the water fall , he observed at the momemt when the waves of the two rivers meet. He said " I thought the rivers were pausing ( Hakanayaan), for few seconds before the water flows ahead, so I said " Tolow miyey Is waraysanayaan, Miyey Isdhunkanayaan", then I said " Way isku oomanaayeen oo way kala cabayaan. Webiyo isku oomani , Inay wacatameenoo Wayo badan is dooneen. These are giants of the Somali culture no one remembers today. Any way.... If you remove the talented Benadiris, the likes of Ahmed Naji, Qaasim Hilowle family, Daauud Cali Maxaf, Awcoombe, Aw Kuuke, and our own talented star Aamin Caamir and others, there is few culture or "Suugaan" left in the south. They can't create culture and tradition that lasts centuries. in other words the revolution was carried by the northern artists, technocrats and officers. There were no internet or even a television to carry out the national propaganda. National Radio ruled the day. So, What you need is group of talented men and women of Somali art and culture to lead the Kacaan awakening of the seventies. You may not believe , but even the great poet, Cabdilaahi Suldaan Timacade, lamented the slow pace of the Kacaan , by not eliminating those who were among the old order. After Siyaad Barre Arrested and killed the most influential among his comrades of the revolution in the purge of 1970, ,which shot to death three of the most prominent coup leaders, Generals Caynaanshe , General Dheel, and Colonell Salaad Gabyre, Timacade demanded that more to be done He said: Inkastoo wasiir dhib laha Jeelka lagu Dheelay OO Dhooreyaashi Sar sare Dhabarka loo jiiday Dadku Tawraduu Dhawrayaa oo wuu Dhursugayaaye Dhoobadu Halkii Ay Fadhiday Looma Dhaadhicine Dhexda Nimankii Noo Joogsaday ee Dhaxanta noo Saaray Dhiig Yacabadii lama Qaqaban Dhiiranaan Jiraye Jeero Waxay Naga Dhaceen Laga Dheemaalsho Daarahan La Dhiibsaday Ilaa laga Dhawateeyo Dhacadiidka Jeero Rag Badan Dhawda laga Saaro Jeero rag lagu Dhoogtamow Dhaaftay La Arkaayo ( Unless many are targeted for shooting) Dhunkaal shilinku jeeruu Noqdoo Dhuunta Mari Waayo Dhabaqsiga La dayn Maayo, iyo Dhiilkii la is Baraye. In this poem , Timacade is calling for more purges and elimination of the enemies of the revolution. Some school of thoughts think that Marxuum Mohamed Haji I. Cigaal was disliked by the northern elite during his reign. Some didn't like his tactics of maneuvering the corrupt southern political system, while others were political rivals whom he defeated in Somaliland before and after independence. THat is why the Northerners were the early intusiasts of the Kacaan, especially the Reer Bari. In late fifties Cigaal defeated Oomaar, C/raxman Tuur and others, to become the leader of the Somaliland. The civilian government of the sixties faced high expectations from the public in terms of jobs and unearned material gains. With less than nine years , they achieved a lot of slow but, steady progress. Poems and folklore lyrics were created to magnify their weaknesses, while the word corruption (Musuqmaasuq ), became the favorite sport. Also the rise of communism exasperated any gradual change. Among the worst things that undermined the credibility of the civilian government was, it's own foreign minister was convicted of espionage in a national court. Regardless, the Reer woqooyi carried the Kacaan. Another factor is Siyaad Barre did not trust the old order of the Southern establishment, mainly the HAG and Puntladers. When these two formed a civic organization called " manifesto", that challenged Siyaad Barre in his last days in 1990, Siyaad barre went to the airwaves and denounced them in the national Radio and said , " Kuwani ( Maanifesto), qaybna(HAG) waa Gofaneyaashii Kacaanka Ku Naaxay, Kuwa Kalena Waa Canaasiirtii ( Puntlanders) Kacaanku Dartood u Dhashay. He didn't blame SNM or any other alphabetical movements, but put the blame squarely on these two. In order to keep away these two old guards, the Reer woqoyi and other D block members were the right choice for Siyaad Barre to achieve his goals. To be continued...... 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Holac Posted October 4, 2014 Thank you for the great read. It was fascinating to know that Egal has outmaneuvered everyone in Somaliland. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tillamook Posted October 4, 2014 Keep the history lesson coming señor Galbeedi! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
galbeedi Posted October 5, 2014 Oodweyne, your comments are welcome. You seem to be well informed both in history and revolutions. As you stated , revolutions always destroy their own creators. There was a play, composed by Hadraawi, I do not remember the exact name, Could have ( Qalwadii mas baa galay), but it was about a deadly snake that was chased by the people. He suddenly showed up at the door of a pride and groom who were just married and their honeymoon. He asked them to save them from crowd that was about to kill them. The groom took him and helped him cross many rivers. Finally when the snake felt safe, he killed the groom and made the pride a widow. That was part of it , but also, these northerners also miscalculated their strength by challenging Siyad Barre. Stay tuned.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gooni Posted October 6, 2014 Galbedi taariikhdaad qortay aad bay u hufantahay,ma sahlana inaad macluumaad ama taariikh isugu jira dhaqaale,dhaqan,siyaasad si wanaagsan isugu dhafto una soo koobto wax weyn bay u taraysaa dhalin yaro faro badan lagana yaabee inay si fiican uga faa'iidaystaan. reer waqooyigu waxay ahaayeen udub dhexaad qaran.ma'ahayn umuliso siduu oodweyne sheegay kacaanku qabiil kuma dhisnayn waxayna ka koobnaayeen qaybaha bulshada lahjad kasta ooy af soomaaligga uga hadlaan Ninkii ugu horeeyay tiirka la geeyay ama la toogtay waxuu ahaa sidaan maqlay siyad barre ina adeerkiis nin sargaal ah dil u geystay. heesta sama diidow si wanaagsan baa looga dhagaysan jiray soomaaliya oo dhan mana jirin qof sharcigga ka sareeya. tan galayr iyo siilaanyo waa ragg waayo badan soo joogay kuna sugan laba marxaladood oo kala duwan siilaanyo qaran qabiil buu ka doortay waxaana ku dhaggan jufo kale oo la magac baxday wadani galayr waxaa loo dhiibay ushii gaandiga hindiya madax weyne tuule boor leh ma'ahan haduu ri'diisa ku maalo hawdka iyo haduu kursi jilicsan u xiiso waa gunaanadkii taariikhdiisa. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mintid Farayar Posted October 6, 2014 Could we throw in there that educated 'Northerners' were trained under a British colonial system that was designed to train low-level civil servants so the system runs efficiently? This was in contrast to being trained to be 'policy-makers'. While the educational system the Italians ran in the South was designed to only allow the indigenous Somalis to reach 'intermediate-school' levels, Southern politicians were far more concerned with grabbing the top-seat immediately regardless of ideology (whether Socialist or Capitalist). They were far quicker to understand the 'power-game' than the Northerners (with the departure of the colonialists). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
galbeedi Posted October 6, 2014 Minitid, that is so true. While northerners were trying to get rid of the British in early 1960, the southerners had already a functioning system of government , and have mastred the political game. Halka ay ragani calanka la nordayeen nimankii reer koonfurku is riix riix iyo Political manuevenring ayey ku jireen. I remember in late eithies , tried to get a passport. It took me two months to get all the nessessarry ducuments, from " nabad sugid, Warqada Sugnaanta", and all. Finally, I went to the court to get clearance from non exisstant criminal recor office. Arjigaan soo qoraa, waraaqihii Ayaan soo raaciyaa, nin reer benadir haa oo meesha jooga Ayaan u dhiibaa. maalin walba, sidaan u sugayo ayuu igu soo ceshaa kowda duhurnimo. Markaan ku wareeray, Ayaan u tagay nin saaxiibkay ah oo rer wardhiigley ah. Markaan arrintii u sheegay , ayuu waxuu yidhi " waxaad yeeshaa afartan shilin ku soo dar arjiga una dhiib". Sidii baan yeelnay, warqadii oo shaabadaysan ayaa la ii soo dhiibay. Markaasaan idhi , oo Miyuu I dhaho afartan keen , boqol baan uga dhigi lahaaye, inta uu isoo celelinayo. They know how to work the system. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gooni Posted October 7, 2014 Reer waqooyigu waxay isu arkeen marti reer koonfurka wax ku darsaday ilaa iyo wakhtigaan la joogana way aaminsan yihiin. hadaba taasu waxay keenaysaa in qalbigoodu ingiriiska joogo,isuna arkaan dad gooni loo gumaystay waxbana la wadaagin koonfurta Bal dhagayso qoraalada iyo siyaasiyiitooda markay doodayaan waxay ku celceliyaan kaana yaabinaysa koonfurta berigaan wax isku darsanay ayagoon is weydiin yaa markii hore wax noo kala saaray? Ama xaq u leh inay wax noo kala saaraan ama isugu kaayo daraan? dhanka wax barashada way kaga hireeyeen talyaaniga waa sax laakiin ingriisku ma barin inay soomaaliyoo dhan ayagu leeyihiin wax barashada caafimaadkaa ka fiican waxaad isu arkaysaa shaqaale xanuunsan adigoo wadankaad u dhalatay madax sare ka ah. macnaha markii la qtomiyo waa jacayl xad dhaafa oo gumaytuhu nooga tagay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barwaaqo Posted October 7, 2014 Gooni Taariikh ayaa la qorayaaye qalin daarka jooji Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
burahadeer Posted October 7, 2014 Northerners neva had power either in the civilian or military gov'ts.They were just dispensable technocrats .There were 33 northerners out of 123 deputies in the civilian gov't and even among the 33 all those from Lascanod,Laskkoray ,Borama and Zeila were voting with the south...mistakingly and naively thinking the grass was greener on the otha side.Same in the military gov't.Out of the 25 supreme revolutionary council, 11 were 'D'(not sure here if there were one or two from otha clans in juba's,but still same voting bloc) plus ,Ali samater,Abdalla fadil(arab),plus one from Borama and one from Zeila....that's 15 voting together.There were 6 Hags and 4 I's. It was set long before the revolution came to being.So really the northerners made their biggest blunder in 1960 when they ran with 33 not knowing the south were stuffing ballot boxes by the 100s of thousands in every tiny village.That's how the name Walaaweeyeen came about when northeners heard ova the radio that 800,000 voted in wlweeyn village...there teasing being that everyone in the south live in that village. The otha thing was Northerners were completely caught off guard and in oblivion to the power struggle between the Hags and "D"s when because of the war of attrition the north had with Ethiopia in many villages at the border and beyond,they were more nationalistic and were looking at the bigger picture.No doubt that almost all of the nationalistic songs,poems and folklore in 1960 were coming from North. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tallaabo Posted October 7, 2014 <cite> @burahadeer said:</cite> Northerners neva had power either in the civilian or military gov'ts.They were just dispensable technocrats .There were 33 northerners out of 123 deputies in the civilian gov't and even among the 33 all those from Lascanod,Laskkoray ,Borama and Zeila were voting with the south...mistakingly and naively thinking the grass was greener on the otha side.Same in the military gov't.Out of the 25 supreme revolutionary council, 11 were 'D' plus ,Ali samater,Abdalla fadil(arab),plus one from Borama and one from Zeila....that's 15 voting together.There were 6 Hags and 4 I's. It was set long before the revolution came to being.So really the northerners made their biggest blunder in 1960 when they ran with 33 not knowing the south were stuffing ballot boxes by the 100s of thousands in every tiny village.That's how the name Walaaweeyeen came about when northeners heard ova the radio that 800,000 voted in wlweeyn village...there teasing being that everyone in the south live in that village. The otha thing was Northerners were completely caught off guard and in oblivion to the power struggle between the Hags and "D"s when because of the war of attrition the north had with Ethiopia in many villages at the border and beyond,they were more nationalistic and were looking at the bigger picture.No doubt that many of the nationalistic songs,poems and folklore in 1960 were coming from North. Galbeedi and the other nostalgic beneficiaries of the Kacaan can mourn everyday about the loss of their golden era; but we the Duriyad have learned our lessons the hard way and so are not prepared to make the same mistakes again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tallaabo Posted October 7, 2014 <cite> @Barwaaqo said:</cite> Gooni Taariikh ayaa la qorayaaye qalin daarka jooji Loool :-D Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gooni Posted October 7, 2014 Dadka aqoonta leh ma xanaaqaan qofkaysan doonayn inay ra'yigiisa akhriyaan kurtunka mouse'ku dhex yaal bay hoos u wareejiyaan halkaas waxaa ka cad in saakay geelii aan oodii weynayd laga qaadin Taariikhdu way naga dhaxaysaa awoowe hablahana shirka ha la fariisiyo yaan la wada qalin daarmine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mintid Farayar Posted October 7, 2014 Oodka, I understand the point you make regarding the 'educational system'. But an educational system in a 'colony' is structured differently from the educational system of the 'mother country'. The former is designed to perpetuate the supremacy of the colonialist in regards to the colonized. In other words, 'to know your place'. Hence, why most former colonies drastically change their curriculum after independence. One can argue that when you've been trained to follow and work in a system unquestioningly, you'll seek a replacement system to continue that work after the departure of the former system. While only Allah knows the full truth, one can(in hindsight) surmise that Northern educated elites were ill-prepared to make that move to 'policy-making' and 'strategic maneuvering' after independence. ......I'm extremely simplifying the situation by leaving out the perennial Somali problem of clan competition out of the equation. Galbeedi, As Oodweyne wrote earlier, we are awaiting your continued analysis. It would also be helpful to read a parallel study of what went wrong in the South, something I have yet to see in all my years on this Forum. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gooni Posted October 7, 2014 Waa hagaag awoowe waa iska caadi wuxuba waa ra'yi la malmaluuqay runta qofkii ka xanaaqa si degan buu usoo noqdaa aakhirka mahadsanid tan gabadha dooni maayo inaan ku fogaado haday kalifto inaad xabad rido laa samaxa laah ayada kasoo hor mar sidii reer ood weyne dhaqanka u ahaan jirtay tan marin habaabinta mowduuca aad baa uga xumahay dr.galbeedi waa raad arooryaad halkaa ka wad. tan inanta ma ahan arin igu cusub in gabaru tiraahdo naga aamus hebel baa kaa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites