Scotland's resounding rejection of separation a defeat to Somaliland

[Mooge]

niyoow, i talked with hard separatist friend of mine today and he was having tacsi walahi. this was a big blow to his cause. he was bragging to us for few days that somaliland will follow suit blah blah and now he is on bed sick. lool.

 

the scotland vote was a blow to the secessionists in Somaliland. Scotland with 300 years of union with Britain gave a punch in the face to all separatist everywhere. A healthy democracy is a one which people are given the choice to vote freely and both camps are allowed to build their case and campaign.

 

somaliland will never go anywhere as long as few idiots are stopping people from supporting union inside somaliland. if somalia prospers and economy picks up and unionists are allowed to campaign and make their case after the country recovers, the majority of SNM clan would choose union niyoow.

 

well done to Scotland.

[Che -Guevara]

What does the two have to do with each other Mooge?

[Mooge]

 

100s of Catalan separatists descend on Scotland to help YES campaign. lol. what do they have to do with Scotland? one guy was interviewed on BBC and he was nearly in tears even though his home country is Spain. loooool. secessionist everywhere feel the pain when one of them fails. that is the reality niyoow.

 

 

[Suldaanka]

As usually is the case with the Somali people, you indeed have lost the main lesson here Mr Mooge.

 

Had the UK leaders rejected the holding of this Referendum, I am certain it would have embolden the Yes vote as time went. The best way to keep a country united or divided is to allow the people who are going to contribute to that unity or division their democratic right to determine their future. Had the Yes vote won, the brotherly and neighbourly relationship could have survived. Unlike the Somali experience of refusal where not only the unity of the country is gone and will never return but also the brotherly and neighbourly relationship is damaged and may take generations to repair it.

 

The take home truth from this voting is that, the people are ultimate champions of their future. Whether its in Scotland, Catalonia or Somaliland.

 

[CidanSultan]

You made a mistake suldanka...you assumed Mooge knows what he is talking about. Lol.

 

Nonsensical pollution is the ideal discription.

 

 

[gooni]

Haddii la yiraahdo ha la is barbardhigo wax kasta qiimaha is barbardhigaa lumaya

Dad garaya natiijada usoo baxaysa haddii ay kala tagaan iyo dad aan garanayn qamadiga ay cunayaan goortuu dhacay ma wax lays barbar dhigaa?

 

[Suldaanka]

Gooni,

Qamadida wixii ku baray waa qaxoontiga. Qaxoontiga wixii kugu kalifay waa dagaalka. Dagaalka wixii sababay waa cadaalad darro iyo maamaul xumo Mogadishu taal.

[Tallaabo]

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Gooni,

Qamadida wixii ku baray waa qaxoontiga. Qaxoontiga wixii kugu kalifay waa dagaalka. Dagaalka wixii sababay waa cadaalad darro iyo maamaul xumo Mogadishu taal.

Well said :-D

[Tallaabo]

Actually most of the Somalilanders here in SOL were staunch supporters of the Union of Great Britain. Indeed Xaaji Xunjuf and I made the case for the British union a while ago here:

http://www.somaliaonline.com/community/topic/independence-why-scotland-is-facing-the-same-political-and-media-backlash-as-so/

[gooni]

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@Suldaanka

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Gooni,

Qamadida wixii ku baray waa qaxoontiga. Qaxoontiga wixii kugu kalifay waa dagaalka. Dagaalka wixii sababay waa cadaalad darro iyo maamaul xumo Mogadishu taal.

 

 

Waa runtaa suldaan waan ku wada gowracanahay qaxootinimada iyo qamadiga aniga iyo adiguba aftida keliya oo noo furan waa ma doonaysaan inaad wadankiinii ku noqotaan?,

 

Ku dayashada Scotland iyo England waxay iila egtahay ninkii waalnaa oo dabka la ag is taagay aqalkiisii oo lagu yiri war aqalka ha iska gubin, kuna jawaabay hadaadba ii sheegteen.

 

[Mahiigaan]

War Scotland-England iyo Somalia-Somaliland maxaa laysu barbar dhigayaa. Dalal ilbaxa oo aqoon ku filan leh iyo reer miyi qabiilkiisu wax walba kala weyn yahay oo ' fayn boocak fayn koocak ' garaneyn ma wax laysku misaalaa?

Somalida marka tuuladooda sandaqad yar laga dhiso wuxuu moodaa inay New York la mid tahay, wuxuuna ku odhanayaa tuuladayadii waa duushay. Damn!. Nomads will always be nomads.

 

[Mahiigaan]

The world economy is about population and professional work force. Somalia's population is estimated aproximately 10 million people, while its neighbor (Ethiopia) is over 90 million!. International companies will prefer to invest in countries with larger populations and potentional resources. If our resources are extracted, unity will be a plus, but unfortunately I lost hope of Somalis ever exercising good managerial skills. Nigeria and Angola are good examples of Africans with endowment of natural resources but their people live under $2 a day. No clean water, elecetricity, decent health facilities etc. There is no doubt Somalis will be the same or even worst. Look how fake small oil companies are given to vast expanses of our land with any transparency what so ever. Skinnies are a bunch of greedy people with no integrity and pride!. Their only moto is loot as much as you can under the protection of your qabil and leave the carcases for the 'dadka cagaha cad'.

[Libaax-Sankataabte]

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As usually is the case with the Somali people, you indeed have lost the main lesson here Mr Mooge.

 

Had the UK leaders rejected the holding of this Referendum, I am certain it would have embolden the Yes vote as time went.

 

Waryaa Suldaanka, Awoowe nabad.

 

Suldaan, is it not true that Somaliland's declaration of independence was a violation of a sovereign state's territorial integrity when viewed through the prism of legality and international law? Scotland was granted the independence vote by David Cameron, Somaliland unilaterally declared independence.

[DoctorKenney]

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@Mahiigaan

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The world economy is about population and professional work force. Somalia's population is estimated aproximately 10 million people, while its neighbor (Ethiopia) is over 90 million!. International companies will prefer to invest in countries with larger populations and potentional resources. If our resources are extracted, unity will be a plus, but unfortunately I lost hope of Somalis ever exercising good managerial skills. Nigeria and Angola are good examples of Africans with endowment of natural resources but their people live under $2 a day. No clean water, elecetricity, decent health facilities etc. There is no doubt Somalis will be the same or even worst. Look how fake small oil companies are given to vast expanses of our land with any transparency what so ever. Skinnies are a bunch of greedy people with no integrity and pride!. Their only moto is loot as much as you can under the protection of your qabil and leave the carcases for the 'dadka cagaha cad'.

 

I understand your sentiment saaxib, but I know for a fact that the deep divisions which exist in Nigeria/Somalia are what helps fuel this corruption and blatant cronyism. Nigeria has multiple ethnic groups sharing one nation, and their hatred and animosity towards each other goes back generations.

 

In that type of environment, politicians ALWAYS play the identity card to get elected, instead of proving their credentials and having good policies, "Leaders" are often elected by the dominant tribe in the country. And that just fuels corruption, which leads to poor economic growth.

 

Look at Botswana saaxib. Botswana has ONE major ethnic group (and a small minority of other ethnic groups) but the "Tswana" people who live in Botswana dominate the country. It's a fairly homogeneous country, and they have diamonds as natural resources instead of oil. Botswana has a per-capita income of about $16,000 a year, which is equal to about Mexico or Turkey. And 40 years ago, Botswana was literally the POOREST country in the world, and now it's the richest nation in Africa, with a fairly high standard of living. Sure they may have some problems (some poverty, high AIDS rate), but the country of Botswana proved that Africans can accomplish a lot as long as they are given the opportunity to do so. Botswana has a free business environment, strong property rights, and adequate public investment. They need the right economic policies, policies created by intelligent politicians and policymakers.

 

If Somalia lets go of Qabiil, then the ONLY way a Politician could get elected is through his credentials and not through his powerful sub-clan. Abdiweli got elected in Puntland because of his credentials, and Puntland is fairly homogeneous compared to the rest of Somalia (one dominant clan-group), so this gave them the opportunity to elect the best man for the job, instead of "the best clan for the job"....if you know what I mean.

[Suldaanka]

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Waryaa Suldaanka, Awoowe nabad.

 

Suldaan, is it not true that Somaliland's declaration of independence was a violation of a sovereign state's territorial integrity when viewed through the prism of legality and international law? Scotland was granted the independence vote by David Cameron, Somaliland unilaterally declared independence.

 

Waan ku salaamay Awoowe. Sow nabad iyo khair lama sheegin.

 

Of course, the Scots are fully represented at Westminster. They voted for their representatives and hence they are bound by that representation. The same cannot be said in Mogadishu.

 

Th Kurds in Iraq are fully represented in Baghdad because they vote for their MPs in Baghdad. And they are part of the new power sharing agreement (Shia, Kurd, Sunni). Therefore they are bound by Baghdad's rule.

 

But in the case of Somaliland, Somaliland is not party to any new deal formed or agreed in Mogadishu. There are no representation in Mogadishu. Yea, yea lets not go in the trivial nonsense retort by some who say duh! Somaliland is represented by Cismaan Kaluun or Foosiya Yusuf Xaaji Adan. That kind of retort solves nothing and helps no one. We may as well chase our tail for eternity.

 

The fact remains, no government could be legit if any of its major regions are no party to the deal. So in that light, according to Somaliland the legit nation which they signed up for in 1960 collapsed and disintegrated comopletely in 1991. The same way Yugoslavia collapsed.

 

The only way forward from this deadlock is for both Somaliland and Somalia to come to the table as two equal powers and agree on a new deal whether it is unity or independence.

 

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@gooni

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Waa runtaa suldaan waan ku wada gowracanahay qaxootinimada iyo qamadiga aniga iyo adiguba aftida keliya oo noo furan waa ma doonaysaan inaad wadankiinii ku noqotaan?,

 

Ku dayashada Scotland iyo England waxay iila egtahay ninkii waalnaa oo dabka la ag is taagay aqalkiisii oo lagu yiri war aqalka ha iska gubin, kuna jawaabay hadaadba ii sheegteen.

 

Mr Gooni,

Of course Scotland and Somaliland are two very different situations and different experiences.

 

But what can be compared and is ultimately comes down to that a happy strong united country can only come if the people are happy and not forced. a