The Worldwide Spread Of Islamic Revolutionism...

[CidanSultan]

This year has undoubtly been a year unlike any other. What the Arab spring tried to achieve through peaceful protest has taken on a new demension. The concept of islamic Revolutionism is something new. this new notion argues that only through armed struggle can Muslims achieve an islamic state. This argument regardless of what the Critics has received a lot of support around the Muslim world. From Tunisia, to Yemen, from Syria to morroco. From Egypt to Jordan the people chant...we demand the overthough of the regime. We demand our rights to choose our political system. We demand to be the shapers of our own destiny.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7XtSz53uKQ

 

 

 

The result of the glorius Arab spring was for Egypt the over-through of a democratically elected government because it was an islamic government and did not meet the interests of the United state or the kingdom of Saudi Arabia which actively works against the establishment of any islamic state in the region. For Syria it was the continued silence of the international community to the war crimes committed against the Syrian people...for Iraq the continued unquestioned support for a Shia government that massacred hundreds of Sunnis daily.

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hzHspqLT48

 

 

 

In Yemen after hundreds of deaths and a demand for change one despot was exchanged for another in the interests of the war on terror. For the sake of oil and interest NATO invaded Libya and then attempted to dictate terms for any future government based along secular lines. When rejected Egypt and the gulf stepped in to bomb a people whose only demand is to live in an islamic state.

 

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__3P3ym_TA8

 

 

The reality is extremism breeds extremism. Failure to act will inspire others to act. The rejection of a peoples peaceful request to live peacefully in a system of their own choosing will lead some to fight for it. The concept of islamic Revolutionism is taking hold.

 

Today Syria as we know is gone. The country divided into the forces of murder and secularism fighting the opposing sides fighting for an islamic state some extremer then others in their method but whose objective is the same. In Iraq Sunnis are taking up arms and fighting back against their oppressors and these interests have aligned with the Sunnis of Syria removing the borders imposed upon Muslims by sik's pikot treaty dividing peoples who were never divided before. In Yemen revolutionaries have given up on democracy and seek alternative methods in achieving regime change. In Libya islamic forces have taken over the entire country.

 

The call and demand for an islamic state based on the sharia is not a terrorist concept. It is a human right. Muslims want to live in islamic States that abide by the sharia. This is what the people of Egypt voted for. This is what the people of Syria are dieing for.

 

It seems everywhere on this earth that an islamic entity arises and attempts to peacefully take power they are met with severe forces that instantly eliminate it. Islamic history is 1400 years. 1400 years of giving the world the numeral systems, algebra, algarethim, science, art, astronomy, medicine etc. Islam United Nations and civilised them. It made Jews, christiens and Muslims brothers in Spain and in Jerusalem and across the entire Middle East. It destroyed racism and promoted the assistance of the poor. This system was a system and has a system within it that offers a political tool to regulate and rule society that is called the sharia. Muslims demand the sharia and it seems everywhere they have fought for it peacefully has been violently crushed. This remains the main reason why we have the spread of modern day islamic Revolutionism.

 

Alshabab in somalia exists today because Ethiopia invaded somalia alongside the United States a suppressed a peoples movement that was peaceful known as the islamic courts union. The only force to achieve peace in somalia in 22 years gone because of the hatred and fear the United States And other secular and christien countries have for islam. Today we have Kenyans stealing Somalia's coast. While they pimp little somali girls to tourists in Kenya. While Kenya, Ethiopia, Uganda and others occupy and stay on Muslim soil. In the name of war on terror.

[CidanSultan]

These forces some extreme and some not extreme seems like they are here to stay their arguments are consistent and is proven because we see the double standards in front of our eyes. How the United States rearms israel to murder babies in GaZa. How the world turned away when tens of thousands of people in Syria were killed like rats with chemical weapons. We see drones over Afghanistan killing cattle and people in their villages. We see how the United States and Ethiopia removed Somalia's last chance of peace and gave birth to the modern day alshabab movement which was born after the collapes of the islamic courts union. We see with our own eyes the United States support for countries like Uzbekistan whose leader boils people in acid for asking for islamic rule or for simply going to the mosque. We see with our eyes how Muslims are portrayed in the media everyday as terrorist and murders and lunatics. While christien and Jewish lunatics are not branded by their religions but just as lunatics. We see how the United States supports monarchies that behead people and kill people and are intolerant of other religions in the same way as others they claim to fight for those very reasons. We see how European nations support any and all forces that want to fight against this growing tide demanding for an islamic system of governance in favour of secular notions.

 

Truly a sick world we live in when a society cheers for their own subjugation and their own destruction. People come and go. They are born and they die. Concepts are harder to kill. The United States and the secular nations who have actively fought against all and any islamic notions of unity or ideology and they and only they have created a monster.

[DoctorKenney]

This is very true. Even many US Policymakers admit that their interventions in the Middle East ALWAYS backfire, giving birth to newer, more radical groups.

 

Several Bush Administration officials admitted that their policy of overthrowing the Islamic Courts in Somalia back in 2006 was a bad idea. Because the Islamic Courts were more Moderate, and they could be reasoned with and negotiated with. The overthrow of the Islamic Courts gave birth to a newer, far more radical movement.

 

[Tallaabo]

The Islamic revolution in Bahrain was brutally crushed by corrupt Arab monarchies in the Gulf and their American allies.

[Khadafi]

It's a fancy word "islamic revolutionism" but hijacking a religion peace that answers mans deepest existential questions is unfair. The word "islamist" does not exist in the literature of Islamic jurisprudence. It is a modern world created by modernists who wants to gain power by using religion Islam becouse of it's unifying factor.

 

I have said my arguments before, but who can reject a politican who says that he has credentials from Allah to rule you? DoctorKenney, your a thoughtfull man. Why jump on a bandwagon that you can not define? To make it easier for the readers let them ask themselves "what is an islamist". Is it the islamism of Turkeys Erdogan with suit and tie, or is it the persian clergy-rule Khomenism from Iran or is it pashtun-rooted Mullah Omars taliban? Or is it Boko-Haram of Nigeriga the kidnappers of girls in the name of Allah? Let be honest, God says in the quran "Inallah la yastaxii minal xaq" (indeed god does not shy away from saying the truth". One of the name of Allah is -al-Haq (The Truth). Ah! Lets not forget our little saviour and right to kill licence by god Abdi-Godane

 

Imagine this: What would happen if we assembled all of these people who use "the term "islamist" in one room. Khomeni would be killed for his shii'i thoughts, Mullah Omar would ex-communicate Erdogan and Mursi. Abdi-Godane and Mullah omar would not agree with each other. Godane is salafi-wahabi while Mullah Omar is from the maturidi thoughts.

What about the Nigerians? The Egyptian Mursi and Godane would probably chuckle within themselves and say "these blacks do they think they can rule us".

 

Let's stop using the term "Islamist". The sublime Prophet (scw) did not use this term. He came with mercy and a answer to mans deepest spiritual questions. A revolution is defined as: "a change of regime, then a complete ideology change that ultimately changes the societies culture.

 

A regime change that we can somehow define as a revolution is by my definition Iran. In 1979, a persian cleric said in his manifesto that he and his clergy (those with him, not against him like Ayatullah Burujedi) had the supreme right to rule the people and that right came from God. What happened?

 

Please do correct me if I am wrong but the largest people leaving Islam today are Iranians. Why? Before the Islamic revolution the persian stuents were religous and one of those people who always established mosques or Islamic associations.

 

I had the privilege to speak to a Persian friend of mine who remained a muslim and asked him. Why are your people like this?. He answered in a very thoughtful way: XXXX what will happen if a dictatorship that in-prions people and does horrible crimes does this in the name of Islam? The ignorant one will blame Islam and will identify Islam with the regime. He also said, we are diffirent, we in Iran have a clergy type system (meaning that the clergy takes 25 % yearly of the shi'i persian. He said you somalis do not have this.

 

DoctorKenney, If Abdi-Godane exectuted the American convert, who outwardly (zahiri) left all he knew and went to Somalia to fight with al-Shabaab, do you not think that he will not execute you?

 

We have seen this before, in 1200 century chaos raged in the muslim world. As God promised, he sent as a mujadid (renewer). Abu Hamid al Ghazali, simply known by somali clergy "Shaykul Akbar" (Shiikhi weynaa). He refuted the Hellenistic philosophy and successfully made Sufism into orthodox Islam. The ex-communications stopped and a period of pan-islama existed.

 

With new technology comes new questions. Devious sects emerge all claiming to be the savior of the world. One man surrounded by unknown people has the audacity to claim the title "caliph of islam" as if it would change the reality.

 

Lets stop using fancy words and stick to realism. All that Allah wants from you is prayer and fasting and piousness, helping the poor and fighting for the truth. While muslims today are dying from thirst in Somalia, some somali youngsters are dying for an unknown arab man claiming to be caliph while they could have dug up a ceel and saved the lives of thousands!

 

Fancy word is it not? "ISLAMIST" ? But when you ask what do you mean everyone remains silent. No one knows but everyone barks it. Islam is far away from evil people. It's a religion of peace and mercy. A unifying factor in society rather then what al shabaab wants it to become, a dividing factor (sufis fighting itixaadis). Yaaab!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[DoctorKenney]

Khadafi, I hate Al Shabab more than you can imagine. I've said it before on this forum numerous times. And I agree that the term "Islamist" is outright silly and redundant. It doesn't really mean anything, and is a made-up term by the media and Western policymakers. But there has always been a difference of opinion in Islam. Even during the days of the Caliphate, you had differences of opinion between the earliest generations of Muslims. Scholars have engaged in dialogue with each other, as well as with Christians and Jews for centuries, and this is nothing new in our history. We've been doing this for centuries. Men such as Ahmed Godane and Mullah Omar go against the very spirit of our religion, and are autocratic Rulers who use the name of the religion for their own personal ambitions. But what we all can agree on, is that we should strive towards the establishment of an Islamic government, and to spread Islamic ideals throughout the world. Today you have groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood, and within their ranks you have differences of opinion as well as differences in methodology. The least we can do is to leave our differences of opinion in our private lives. But when we engage the public, then we should strive to use Islamic principles as well as the principles of dialogue and compromise to govern the country. We even have a term for that in Islam and it's called Shura. The earliest generations of Muslims used it, as well as the subsequent Caliphs. And for hundreds of years, when we Muslims stuck to our principles, the Muslim World was at the forefront of the globe. Muslims in Somalia today should work on building their communities from the ground-up, infusing the communities with Islamic values and principles. Actions such as being a pious individual, standing against corruption, setting up charities and educating the people can go a long way. Muslims in Sudan and Nigeria and Pakistan can do the same thing, and then we can all slowly begin to create Islamic-style governments, which rule according to Islamic principles. When that happens, then we can start talking about establishing a common union between the many different Muslim nations, and by the Grace of Allah, it will eventually start coalescing into a Caliphate. This is a process which can take centuries, but we need to get the building blocks moving TODAY so that our great-grandchildren can reap the benefits of our actions today.

[xabad]

Kix kix @ islamic revolutionism. a fancy new word for good ol' islamic terrorism.

 

 

[CidanSultan]

What is the meaning of revolution: "a forcible overthrow of a government or social order, in favour of a new system".

 

That is the oxford dictionaries definition of the word. The systems being overthrown are secular, pan Arabist, atheist and monarchies.

 

In favour of what an islamic order that has at its core the sharia. So in line with any academic my definition of this recent phenomenon is appropriate and correct.

 

You guys are getting off the topic focusing on trivial definitions and groups.

 

What is a reality is this is revolutionary and core reasons for this global revolution is the failure of American foreign policy that is anti muslim.

[CidanSultan]

It is fair to say that the best of politicians are the Historians. Only the historians see the world within the context of events and time in the past and present and link it.

 

We had under a unified islamic system an empire that stretched from china to France. It contained within it the seeds which gave light to humanity. Which removed borders, which pacified waring tribes, it contained Christians and Jews and Polythiests (like xabad).

 

This system was destroyed in 1924 by the British and European powers who converged upon the muslim nation and spread ideas like nationalism, secularism, Athiesim etc. These systems came dominate the islamic nations of the world all chasing pan Somalism and pan Arabism and secularism ad later additions like communism. These systems have destroyed our core, our societies and our nations. Today there is without doubt an islamic awakening and a notion of Islamic revolutionism which is the desire to remove one system with another plain and simple.

[CidanSultan]

The United States has been called out and this is visible to the entire world. In Iraq, in Syria, in Afghanistan, in Somalia in west Africa. The problem does not have a military solution this problem can only be solved with respecting the desire of the populations within these groups operate.

 

Islam is resurgent in Europe, in Africa, I. The Middle East an the entire world.

 

Communism is dead, secularist capitalism is dieing yet after 1400 years the political ideology of islam unity and societal governance still stands even after American drone attacks and 500 bombs on children. Even after the tyrannical support of despots who are illegitimate.

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrGA6U7tOQQ

 

 

 

 

[CidanSultan]

Islam in the west if often portrayed as anti women but it was the first system that gave women's right at the same time in Europe they were debating if women had souls and today the debate continues as they parade them like animals... In countries like France its legal to be naked but illigal to cover yourself up. These stark differences are among many reasons how these two ideologies differ.

 

But the supreme ideology is easy to see

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL0atfi6qt0

 

 

 

 

 

[CidanSultan]

Nations that have had the right to choose their destiny have all chosen islamic political systems and today even the most secular muslim nation has abandoned secularism in favour of Islamic political systems.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHY7MwxzF7k

 

 

 

[CidanSultan]

In Egypt and Islamic party came to power and was violently removed from power with the support of the american supported military and Saudi Arabia leading to the murder of more then 1000 Muslims whose only crime was that they wanted an Islamic state.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48Ou9D14QJg

 

 

[CidanSultan]

The western world in particular the United States isn't stupid they understand that a powerful islamic country will lead to other countries adopting islamic systems which would then lead to a wider union or chaliphate. Therefore they have to suppress any movement that happens before it can be powerful... Perfect example is Somalia after decades of instability and warlordism a people's revolution created the Islamic courts union and it pacified Somalia and the next day the United States asked christen Ethiopia to invade leading to the deaths of thousands. Just because they said they want islamic rule

 

 

[CidanSultan]

These examples can be found everywhere in the world were there is a muslim population that wishes to live in an Islamic system. We are told daily by the Zionist owned media that this concept is terrorism. Even though 1400 years of history proves otherwise. All these people want is to live in an Islamic state. The muslim people's of the world gave the world peace for 1400 years and they desire peace. But were peace is hard to achieve because of US foreign policy you will find those who take up arms and fight for it in Islamic countries and this monster is not a muslim creation it's a product of American double standards. These problems that exist today are a by product of design the alawites in Syria did not stumble upon power in Syria. The monarchies of the region were not an accident. The hawd and reserve area being given to Ethiopia was not an accident. Egyptian military aid and support for Israel is not an accident these are deliberate anti islam policies that are design to stop the greatest political system and polity in the history of the world from returning...

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTHNr_8uNrw

 

 

 

It is our duty as Muslims and as Somalis to bring this about first in our cities, then in our regions then in our countries then bring together the entire muslim people of East Africa.