Somalia: Puntland sets int’l presence condition for talks with Federal Govt

[Gheelle.T]

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@Che -Guevara

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The problem is, it sets unfortunate example for others to follow.

 

No one should put their fate in this Federal entity, sxb. A government that cant even fairly distribute a mere scholarships, shouldn't be trusted with anything else. 300 scholarship seats recently given by Sudan and Yemen, guess how many of those went outside Mogadishu and central Somalia, 29. 2 to SL, 3 to PL, 10 to Bay and Bakool, 6 to JubaLand, and so on... Now, if you question them(SFG) of anything, you are belligerent and unreasonable.

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

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@DoctorKenney

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I don't understand how some people STILL want Somalia to have a centralized administration?!?

 

I mean, when have Somalis EVER in our history have a centralized administration, before the Italians came into our country? The 1960-1991 period was the ONLY period when Somalia was governed by one Administration, and it was an abject failure so why would we try it again?

 

A United Somalia can only grow organically from several federal States who willingly choose to participate in it. It can't be forced upon us, like the way it was forced upon us in 1960 when the Italians and British left.

 

So why are you against the unity of Mudug and Galgaduud, as per the constitution dictates and as it agrees into this federalism fantasy of yours.

 

Sheekadaada waa la jiifiyaa banaan, la joojiyaa banaan.

 

And if you do think this federalism fantasy is not imposed into Soomaalida, waa riyooneysaa. What is Kiinyaatiga planning in Jubbooyinka. What is Xabashada's plan than but to have a bantustan obedient states in Soomaaliya or to remain perpetual competing states. Laheystiyaal isheysta.

 

This fantasy federalism of yours is already failing before it even takes a single step. It is already creating too many hostilities before it is even implemented. It is already drawing interclan wars before so-called states are even created. If it weren't Barbaarta-controlled regions in Koonfurta, there would have already being clan wars and back into to the dark days of '90s, only names changing. Barbaarta is the only reason it is not happening that now in Shabeellooyinka, Baay, Jubbooyinka, Gedo and Bakool.

 

And if this so-called federal state in Bari u hanjabeyso dowladii dhexe Soomaalida dhan ka dhaxeysay, what do you think if there were more of it, proxies controlled by Xabashada and Kiinyaatiga. What power would dowladda dhexe have then. Runta maala isku sheego.

 

Interestingly, Xabashi-occupied Soomaali Galbeed is a 'federal' state, but Ileey and his co. never defy any Xabashi policies towards to that land, including separating Dirirdhaba and Xarar out of Soomaali Galbeed region. if a Soomaali government maamuli lahayd Soomaali Galbeed and did exactly like that, you won't need to know what would have happened.

 

Why? Soomaalida iyaga lee iska adag, but the moment a foreign controls them, they are very obedient.

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

And again, if proponents of this fantasy federalism were honest enough and not be against the unity of hal degmo alone, marka maxaa been la iskugu sheegaa.

 

How can it (fantasy federalism) even unite gobollo kale kala jaan iyo jini ah. Yaab badanaa.

 

Yes, yes, yes, fantasy federalism would 'organically' unite Soomaaliya as a whole. Yea, yea, let's start it with Gaalkacyo.

[Samafal]

If others can't establish federalism becouse of lack of unity PL will go it alone, let Bay & Bakool controlled from Hamar. No one is forcing you anything, its just so wrong a region cobtrolled by Puntland for 16 years and is doig well to just join unruly and underdeveloped bitterly divided region a.k.a Galgaduud just becouse Galgadud, Hiiraan and Lower Shabelle can not and will not agree to form a federal state due to tribal conflict, same reason they could not agree to form national goverment when they overthrew the then goverment of Siad Barre.

 

So its simple if you can't form a state, you will come under the national goverment and others will selfrule. You can not destablise others who are even older than The TFG itself becouse of lack of unity within yourself.

[DoctorKenney]

Miskiin, you're worried that if Somalia is divided into 6 or 7 regional federal States, that this would somehow lead to regional domination by the Kenyans and Ethiopians?

 

You do realize that the Kenyans and Ethiopians were sponsoring different tribal warlords in Somalia for the last 23 years right? You do realize that the Kenyans and Ethiopians are exploiting the tribal differences in our country, while at the same time Somalis are killing each other and running to Nairobi for asylum.

 

I mean, your concerns are already a reality, but you're forgetting that if Somalia DOES split into 6 or 7 loosely confederated federal states, that the onset of peace and development could render these tribal labels meaningless and the Somalis would seek greater unity amongst themselves within a couple decades, as soon as the corrupt Kacaan-era generation of Somalis die off.

 

And you're talking about it creating hostilities! Well no one said it would be easy! You think that life is just easy and just perfect, where everyone gets along and no one kills each other for their own interests! One of the benefits of Federalism is that any conflict that exists in the country can be localized and isolated off. So even if Central State collapses or SouthWest State collapses, it won't have an effect on the other states in Somalia, and the other states can use their resources and energy to prop them back up again. Whereas in 1991, when Xamar collapsed then the entire country went down with it.

 

And when I say "organically unite", I meant it. After a generation, the Federal States in Somalia would gradually unite organically under a common basis. Forcing Somalis together who don't even trust each other is a failed policy. And it's not just the leaders who feel this way it's the average Somali person.

[Naxar Nugaaleed]

This is all none sense, puntland controls three out of five districts of this region, if the entire region has to go one way or the another, it would have to be puntland. why do we like complicate things. If we are being reasonable, however, regions can be divided. This has always been the case and has been reaffirmed by everyone including the president, prime minster and even international community.

[Tallaabo]

I think I should turn my back on secession and support a Somali Federal Republic made of just two constituent federal states- 1. Puntland + Somaliland & 2. the rest of koonfuria. :-D we can also make Gaalkacayo our new capital.

[gooni]

Federal ka soomaalida looma baahna in dad aqoon saa’ida leh ka hadlaan wax saa usii weyn maahan wuxuu la mid yahay kaluun indho la’aan soo toosay oo xeebta amxaar ugu yimid.

 

Federal koonfur iyo goboladda dhexe ma yaqaanaan kumana soo dhaqamin qabiil walba meeshuu degan yahay ayuu federal ku yahay.

 

Puntland waa federalka kaliya oo jufadiisa calanka u samaystay hees qurux badana u qaaday.

Haday leeyihiin jufo kasta calan ha samaysto oo halaygu daydo waa wax la garan karo.

 

Haday leeyihiin qabiilada iyo gobolada ayagoo isku dhan ha la mideeyana intii qaab ahaan is raaci kartana waa wax la garan karo.

 

Soomaalidu waxay ku maahmaahdaa, jinni ninkii keenaa bixiya puntland war cad lagama hayo iyo sababta ay dastuurka federalka oo ayadu hurmuudka ka ahayd uga hortimid, ugana dhigtay in gobol iyo bar is raaci karaan ama labo gobol iyo bar is raaci karaan, meeshii la rabay in la qaato labo gobol iyo wixii ka badan wax bar ama nusana sharciga ma waafaqsana.

 

[Miyir]

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[Miyir]

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@Tallaabo

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I think I should turn my back on secession and support a Somali Federal Republic made of just two constituent federal states- 1. Puntland + Somaliland & 2. the rest of koonfuria. :-D we can also make Gaalkacayo our new capital.

 

I knew one day you will see the light!

[Miyir]

MMA and crowd don't oppose federalism per se, its nothing but smokescreen to hide behind for their own failure to achieve anything.

 

they know very well they failed to bring a simple functioning administration to rule small village last 23 years or to hold against marauding Mooryaans or the beardos, you see federalism puts them on the spot and exposes the underlying problem why Somalia as a country still at war?

 

Puntland knows and pushes for self rule exposing the truth and they hate it,

 

six state when they can't hold Baydhabo a day without Ethiopians or Central State when Hobyo and Dhuusomareeb dont talk to each other.

 

the separatist maybe deluded but give them credit for the self rule and the peace they achieved against all the odds,

[Adam]

http://puntlandi.com/fadeexada-2014dowlada-federaalka-oo-puntland-ka-musuqmaasuqday-deeqo-waxbarsho-oo-hor-lehcadaymo/ this is from buntlandes own website, who are you guys kidding you have cut relationship with xamar, but they dont care nor are interested in federralka and sharing anything you. A simple list of students for education abroad , Buntland gets 2 out of 356 . naive federaal siyadest pirates if what u claim is true you would not be given a token of 2 like the minority you are.

[Samafal]

Gooni problemka Puntland ma keenin ee danteeda uun bay garatay. Waqooyi Galkio haduu cid ku darsamyo horta soow in la waydiiyo ma aha? Sooe ma maamulka uu ka tirsanyahay in la waydiiyo ma aha? Qabyaalada iyo cid riixa intaad iska daysid xaq u hadal. Tan kale yaa mudan in lugu biiro? Ma meel wax ka jiraan mise meel cidla ah?

[Miyir]

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@HawdMan

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http://puntlandi.com/fadeexada-2014dowlada-federaalka-oo-puntland-ka-musuqmaasuqday-deeqo-waxbarsho-oo-hor-lehcadaymo/

this is from buntlandes own website, who are you guys kidding you have cut relationship with xamar, but they dont care nor are interested in federralka and sharing anything you. A simple list of students for education abroad , Buntland gets 2 out of 356 . naive federaal siyadest pirates if what u claim is true you would not be given a token of 2 like the minority you are.

 

lol you just proved my point, deluded this scholarship is not for anyone particular, gift to all Somalia including duriyada.

[burahadeer]

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@malistar2012

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Growe to dictate Somalia on all issue lol

 

This fake image will soon end believe me ......

 

 

 

wallahi the self deception and mirage fantasies of this entity is unparalleled.

Mogadishu should let them go and cut all ties.