Somalia: Puntland sets int’l presence condition for talks with Federal Govt

[Che -Guevara]

http://www.garoweonline.com/page/show/post/141/somalia-puntland-sets-intl-presence-condition-for-talks-with-federal-govt

 

Though Puntland's concerns might be legitimate; one cannot have a government within Government. This is the problem with tribal federalism.

[Che -Guevara]

War-Murtiyeed Kasoo Baxay Kulankii...

 

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[Tillamook]

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@Che -Guevara

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http://www.garoweonline.com/page/show/post/141/somalia-puntland-sets-intl-presence-condition-for-talks-with-federal-govt

 

Though Puntland's concerns might be legitimate; one cannot have a government within Government. This is the problem with tribal federalism.

 

Che, just because Puntland chooses to keep the leadership of the federal government in Xamar accountable to the federal constitution does NOT make Puntland a government within a government.

 

Puntland has every right to look out for its own interests, and if an independent party is invited to become a fair observer between them and Culosow( who has developed an innate inclination to break agreements, of late)--then so be it.

 

As for your last contemptible remark of some alleged tribal federalism, all I can say to that is... balderdash!

 

Somalia adopted a federal constitution after the long anarchy of the civil war. This agreed upon constitution called for 2 or more provinces amongst the existing 18 provinces could form a federal state. Puntland, if you are yet to comprehend this, is one of these federal states that make up Somalia. Now, if God in his ultimate wisdom and abundance chose to plant a certain contiguous segment of the Somali population-- who also happen to share a common ancestor-- in that part of the country, but did not do the same for the other federal states or prospective future federal states, then by all means, take it up with him!

[malistar2012]

What a joke they should stay away longer perhaps ninety days or so why Are they running back....

 

Growe to dictate Somalia on all issue lol

 

This fake image will soon end believe me ......

 

 

 

[Che -Guevara]

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Now, if God in his ultimate wisdom and abundance chose to plant a certain contiguous segment of the Somali population-- who also happen to share a common ancestor-- in that part of the country, but did not do the same for the other federal states or prospective future federal states, then by all means, take it up with him!

 

First of all, your not so subtle prejudice and immoral attitude towards fellow Somalis is noted. Secondly, the belligerent behavior by Puntland can plunge Somalia back into tribal warfare, both in the south and north. Any and all consequences of such possibility or outcome will be Puntland's responsibility.

 

Lastly, the Somali Federal Constitution was never put to vote; Somali public needs to be given the opportunity to vote for or against it.

[YoniZ]

The condition is already there. When Gaas raised the concern about the Central state. IC was the one that rushed to explain the borders of the proposed Central state. No word from the FG either supporting or objecting the explanation IC put forward.

 

The phenomenon of the sad Nomad politics is conducted not talking directly to each other. But, they always need to court someone that can force them become pragmatic and reasonable human beings.

 

The inferiority level of the Somali politicians is staggering to say the least. Why can't they talk/agree without third party in the room

[Tillamook]

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@Che -Guevara

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First of all, your not so subtle prejudice and immoral attitude towards fellow Somalis is noted. Secondly, the belligerent behavior by Puntland can plunge Somalia back into tribal warfare, both in the south and north. Any and all consequences of such possibility or outcome will be Puntland's responsibility.

 

Lastly, the Somali Federal Constitution was never put to vote; Somali public needs to be given the opportunity to vote for or against it.

 

Immoral? How do you mean? Is it our fault that the provinces that make up Puntland are predominantly populated by a single clan?

 

How is being a majority in a particular part of the country immoral? What would you have us do, move? Ridiculous!

 

It is this same 'fellow Somalis' who you accuse me of being prejudice against that refuse to acknowledge what is rightfully mine is mine. And Somalia will never move forward, until the political will of the majority reigns supreme in the country.

 

Ever since the fall of the old regime, so many false pretenders tried to lead without the backing of the majority and have failed miserably. Why do you think the anarchists in Xamar could never rule the country after having taken over the capital of the country? The reason is simple...they did no have the backing of a majority of the Somali people. Why do you think the habro secessionists couldn't breakaway? The reason is the majority of the Somali people do NOT support such nonsense.

 

This is the fact... Somalia will only fully recover when the majority will of the Somali people reigns supreme, and am not saying others cannot have different political agendas, they can. But as long as you don't have the support of the majority of the Somali people then NOTHING DOING saaxiib!

 

Also, blaming Puntland for every little insect that farts is something we Puntlanders have become accustomed to by now,but at the end of the day-- no one can force anything down the throats of Puntlanders. Many have tried and failed, and many more will, but the path the majority wants the country to take will always come out on top. And in this particular time, Puntland wants federalism and since 1998 Puntland has been pushing for federalism, and so far so good. Federalism is being implemented at a good pace. And the least its detractors now can do is to call it names like 'tribal federalism', which I must say, is quite an improvement from the days you used to support Al Shabab, all because of the late A.Y's push to set up the transitional federal government in Xamar.

 

You have come a long way, Che-- but rest assured, I'll always be around to rehabilitate your argagaxiso tendencies

[Tallaabo]

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First of all, your not so subtle prejudice and immoral attitude towards fellow Somalis is noted. Secondly, the belligerent behavior by Puntland can plunge Somalia back into tribal warfare, both in the south and north. Any and all consequences of such possibility or outcome will be Puntland's responsibility.

 

Lastly, the Somali Federal Constitution was never put to vote; Somali public needs to be given the opportunity to vote for or against it.

A morally and financially bankrupt feudal clan fiefdom might carry out an armed robbery in the high seas but it cannot bring instability to the blessed democratic Republic of Somaliland.

[Che -Guevara]

^Got off your high horse.

 

Timmalook. You are about one thing, no one can force anyone hence why Puntland can push its agenda on everyone else. Where did you get the idea the majority of Somalis support federalism?

[Gheelle.T]

So how would you want the states deal with the federal government if questioning its actions would be seen belligerence on the part of the states? And could you deliberate how PL's actions could plunge the country back into civil war?

The idea to let the federal government manage everything willy-nilly is not only dangerous, but it's also against the Federal constitution. It's the duty of PL and all of the other federal states to question the federal government if they feel wronged, and PL is just doing that.

[DoctorKenney]

I don't understand how some people STILL want Somalia to have a centralized administration?!?

 

I mean, when have Somalis EVER in our history have a centralized administration, before the Italians came into our country? The 1960-1991 period was the ONLY period when Somalia was governed by one Administration, and it was an abject failure so why would we try it again?

 

A United Somalia can only grow organically from several federal States who willingly choose to participate in it. It can't be forced upon us, like the way it was forced upon us in 1960 when the Italians and British left.

[Che -Guevara]

Gheelle.T I didn't say the Federal Government wasn't at fault either. It was wrong of them not engage Puntland, but Puntland's reaction was rather dramatic. We should not internationalize every situation.

 

That said, how have you been?

[Gheelle.T]

What other options do PL administration have then? Gaas has shown a good faith dealing with Federal Government. He has publicly and privately conveyed that message to the SFG, but Hassan and co interpreted that as point of weakness and their stand is as it was when Farole ruled PL. It is not PL that's dictating things, it's the SFG that is ignoring the concerns of one of its member states.

[Che -Guevara]

The problem is, it sets unfortunate example for others to follow.

[Tillamook]

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@Tallaabo

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A morally and financially bankrupt feudal clan fiefdom might carry out an armed robbery in the high seas but it cannot bring instability to the blessed democratic Republic of Somaliland.

 

Neither can a politically neutered habar enclave fool anyone saaxiib...Now, go find yourself a nice cozy tree from which to hang yourself, because as you know the pirates are charging an arm and leg to ship Tahribis from Bosaaso.