The People of Palestine. Should they move to the Sinai??

[DoctorKenney]

All my life, I've heard stories and read news reports of Palestinians being abused at the hands of Israelis for the last 60 or so years. Israeli land has expanded at the expense of Palestinian land, and they are repeatedly denied their right to self-determination by the Israelis, who clearly have the upper hand.

 

Most people/countries support a 2 State Solution, including the United States and even Israel. But the 2 State Solution is impossible, as there are almost half a million Jewish Settlers in the West Bank, and the rest of the Palestinians are scattered together in a land which is blockaded, has illegal checkpoints and giant walls.

 

The facts on the ground speak for themselves. The Prime Minister of Israel Netanyahu even admitted that even if Palestine was given Statehood, that the Israelis would NEVER leave the West Bank. And they continue to blockade Gaza.

 

So what's the solution? How much longer can they live like this?

 

Wouldn't it be a better idea for Egypt and Jordan to just absorb Palestine? If Jordan takes the West Bank entirely, and if Egypt annexes the Gaza Strip, wouldn't this benefit the welfare and well-being of the Palestinian people?

 

What if the Palestinians were given a piece of the Sinai Peninsula and then form their own state there? I mean, the Sinai is vast. Palestine is tiny, the West Bank is half the size of Metro Philadelphia. That is TINY. And not only that, there are half a million Jewish settlers living there squeezed in with 4 million Palestinians. It's a deplorable situation. And the Gaza Strip is even smaller than that.

 

Knowing how small the West Bank is, and how small the Gaza Strip is, wouldn't an appropriate solution be, to give Palestinians 1/5th of the Sinai Peninsula, so they can establish their own State? 1/5th of that land would be 12,000 square kilometers, which is about the size of Philadelphia and more than double the size of the West Bank

 

The Sinai is very lightly populated anyways. Most Egyptians don't live anywhere near that area. And a small Palestinian State could benefit the people there. They wouldn't have to live under constant threat of bombardment and they wouldn't be blockaded. And they can form their own society without Israel on their back

 

[DoctorKenney]

And I know people will talk about Al Aqsa mosque and how it'd be deplorable to have the Palestinians give up Al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem. The Israelis already control Al Aqsa, they are already expelling Palestinians from Jerusalem.

 

And the Palestinians are in NO position to defend themselves. They're clearly out-gunned and they have no military to speak of. Whereas Israel has a very advanced military and intelligence service.

 

The Prophet left Mecca and he left behind the Kaaba to the polytheists. He and his followers were being persecuted and they had no choice but to leave Mecca, as the situation was getting worse day-by-day. He came back 8 years later at the head of a triumphant Army. And he took Mecca without a fight.

 

The Palestinian civilians are the ones suffering as a result of the current weakness of the Muslims. And there's no reason why we should play politics and allow this disgusting situation to continue.

 

They should strategically withdraw from that land.

[galbeedi]

Sinai is a lifeless desert. It is not a place where 4 million Palestinians could live. There are another million Arabs both christian and Muslim living inside Israel. how about those. You want them to relocate too. I don't think the time of Prophet could be compared now.

 

This kind of talk is not new. In different times, some suggested Jordan should be the home of all palestinians. That was an argument made by a lot of Israeli supporters. So Dr. K be careful for what you wish young man. tHings Are more complicated than the way you are simplifying. Besides Arab states will not even accept Palestinians as citizens. Look at Lebanon , Kuwait and others.

[DoctorKenney]

The thing is, I think people need to be practical. Israelis are growing more and more right-wing, and the Netanyahu Government CLEARLY stated that they would never accept a fully functioning Palestinian State in the West Bank.

 

They're building more and more settlements, and the IDF is stationed all over the West Bank. Not to mention the people of Gaza who are living in terrible conditions, blockaded on all sides by Israel and Gaza.

 

What would you suggest? I mean, Gaza is bordering the Sinai Peninsula. So if the Sinai is a "lifeless desert", then so must be Gaza. And if the Palestinians are granted a portion of the Sinai, then they could form their own State without Israeli interference. It's bordering the Mediterranean.

 

I can't stand Israel either. But the reality is, is that the Palestinians are in NO position to change the facts on the ground. Israel has overwhelming military advantage, and it's downright impossible for a Palestinian State to exist in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank

[DoctorKenney]

BTW, Mohamed Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood actually had a plan, where they would give a portion of the Sinai Peninsula to the Palestinians. And let them form their own State there. Several policy-makers proposed this and it looked like it would actually happen.

 

But Morsi has since been overthrown in a coup, and those plans were scrapped by General Sisi.

 

The Sinai is 3 times larger than Israel is. It's 60,000 square kilometers. All the Palestinians need is like 1/4 of the Sinai and it would be more than enough.

 

P.S. And why can't the Prophet's time be compared to now? Are the Gazans not being persecuted and treated in an abhorrent manner? The Muslims could rise and become a viable power one day, but that might take 50 years, or 100 years. And do you REALLY think the Palestinians are willing to live in such terrible conditions indefinitely? These are actual women and children that are suffering every day. The people are malnourished. Half the children have anemia. Another 30% of children suffer from stunted growth due to malnutrition. And almost all of the population are suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

 

This really can't go on. The Israelis show no signs of letting up, and public support in Israel is in favor of this war. The Gazans have to leave

[DoctorKenney]

If the early Muslims moved to Abyssinia due to persecution, and other groups of early Muslims moved to Medina because they were persecuted, then why is it a bad idea to suggest Palestine do the same thing?

 

These are REAL PEOPLE'S LIVES we're talking about. Real children being killed, real women losing their limbs, and real men going through serious trauma.

 

The life of a single Muslim is very valuable, and there are countless Hadiths which detail this.

 

How can we as a Muslim community, insist that the Muslims in Gaza just stay there, when we ourselves wouldn't want to be living in those conditions? Who here would volunteer to live in such terrible conditions, in a tiny strip of land where 2 million people are squeezed in. It's an absolute disgrace.

[galbeedi]

You right their condition is trible. On the other side, the Arab nations would like to use the Palestinians as bargaining chip and to keep them right there in that horrible condition. It is smart idea to give them land to be flexible, but that idea or even a thought of changing the status quo can only be contemplated if there are progressive Arab nations who are reasonable.

 

Egypt who is keeping the Gaza jail shut, will not give any land to their brethren. They have their own blood thirst dictator. The so called moderates are the feudal monarchies.

 

The only hope is if there is democratically elected leaders who will speak on the behalf of their people could pressure Israel to change the status. If Mursi was there this war could have not gone that long.

 

Netanyahu is right wing. He is a disaster for both the Israelis and Arabs. maybe, The American government and Israelis will decide to throw him out next time for a more moderate leader who is willing to deal for peace.

 

 

[DoctorKenney]

Galbeedi, you're right. The Arab nations are filled with unreasonable men who don't care at all about the plight of the Palestinians, even though they profess to care.

 

Egypt is the biggest culprit here. Egypt could have solved this crisis decades ago, but they choose not to. And Mohamed Morsi was actually serious about creating a Palestinian State in the Sinai, but that unfortunately can't happen now, because he's no longer President. And now President Sisi is collaborating with Israel to blockade the Gazans and keep them in terrible conditions.

 

P.S. Netanyahu is right-wing, but Israeli politics as a whole has moved more and more right-wing over the years. We can't expect anything from the Israelis. There needs to be a common solution to this problem, and we shouldn't rely on the Israelis at all.

 

But then again, this can only happen if there were sincere leaders in the Arab World

[Che -Guevara]

Actually, in this war as horrible as things are for Palestinians, the losers in the political sense will be Israelis. The limits of Israeli power has been exposed, first with the war with Hizbullah and now with much less equipped and trained Hamas. Add to this the fact, the world is accepting Israel is apartheid state and the right wingers are losing the plots.

 

Arab duplicity is all there to see as well.

[Dhagax-Tuur]

^SAUDI, EGYPT, ET AL, are playing a game of eliminating Hamas, therefore are on the side of Israel. This is not a hearsay, it's the reality.

 

What an era we are living in!

[DoctorKenney]

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Actually, in this war as horrible as things are for Palestinians, the losers in the political sense will be Israelis. The limits of Israeli power has been exposed, first with the war with Hizbullah and now with much less equipped and trained Hamas. Add to this the fact, the world is accepting Israel is apartheid state and the right wingers are losing the plots.

 

Arab duplicity is all there to see as well.

 

Yeah, Israel can't sustain the large casualties that would result if they conducted a full-scale ground war on the Palestinians. A mere 65 Israeli soldiers died and it's already seen as a disaster for them. And they haven't succeeded at all in their objectives.

 

The world can see Israel as an Apartheid State, but that doesn't mean that'll improve the situation for the Palestinians. Israel could easily go rogue, but as long as they have the full support of the United States, then what reason is there for them to change their behavior?

[Che -Guevara]

Dhagax-Tuur, Agreed

 

Dock K, American support is not infinite

 

 

[DoctorKenney]

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Dhagax-Tuur, Agreed

 

Dock K, American support is not infinite

 

When our Senate votes 100-0, backing Israel....it sure seems infinite. Most Senators don't even regularly show up to work, yet when it comes to Israel they voted 100-0

 

I've never seen anything like that in my life

[nuune]

Even though more than 1,700 Palestinians have being killed, the losers are the Israelis, and the reason is that the whole world are against Israel's actions in Gaza and West Bank, the aggressor who acts as the oppressor has being exposed, this is a great victory!

 

Before it was a peace process based on two state solution, or stopping the settlements, now the demands has shifted to lifting the siege of air, land and sea, and to bring back the land they took in 1948 and 1967, whether they agree or not this demand will stay on and continue to be mentioned.

 

 

Depopulating them is now an option, Sinai doesn't belong to them and they are welcome there.

 

 

Sad example of depopulating a whole city happened in 1948:

Haifa City: Haifa's district covered an area of 1,031.76 square kilometers, of which Jews owned 364.28 square kilometers (35.3% of the overall district size). In 1945, the district was made of 52 villages, and 14 bedouin localities. The Israeli Zionists destroyed all of these villages and bedouin localities with the exception of 'Ablein, Shefa 'Amr, 'Ibtin, 'Ara and 'Ar'ara, Kafer Qare'a, 'Aseifa, and Dalyat al-Karmel (Palestinian Druze village).

 

 

In 1945, the Arab population of Haifa City was 62,000.

By 1949, the Arab population of Haifa City was 3,600.

 

 

The same was happening in every other city and town in Palestine, people were driven into the sea to die!

 

 

Read more here,:

 

Source of Haifa

 

 

Also read the history of every other town or village and how they depopulated, changed the names etc on that link I provided, it is a great source of information and how the Israelis annexed and annihilated a whole race.

 

Pushed into the see, this is Jaffa, another city, see the Israeli terrorists on the roof watching many were killed on the spot trying to board the boats:

 

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

Ebidkey intaa noolaa isma dhaheynin qof Soomaali ayaa saan u hadlaayo, advocating a deliberate athnic cleansing as a though he was Zionist mouthpiece. This is expected result of Zionist-controlled daily bombardment of propaganda in Galbeedka. But I did not think this soon ayaa qof Soomaali saan u hadlaayo.

 

If this primitive idea was ever a solution, there would have never been the concept of freedom fighter. Aan ka bilaabo Soomaalida iyo Muslimiinta.

 

Examples abound: Soomaali Galbeed should be eradicated from Soomaalida. Dito Kashmiir. Dito Shishiin. Dito Boosniya. Dito Kosofo. Dito East Turkestan (Uyghur land).

 

Kuligooda dadka leh kuna nool dhulalkaas la heysto waa inay ka guuraan, faarujiyaan. Ciribtooda ka tirtiraan. Ciribtir.

 

In this flawed logic Reer Koonfur Afrika should have never bothered stone throwing and should have quietly moved to Nabiibiya, Saambiya iyo Simbaabwe, because gaalka dhulkooda qabsaday was too 'powerful.'