Breaking news Puntland Cuts Ties with Xamar due to Central State

[Adam]

http://boramanews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9767&catid=34&Itemid=53

[galbeedi]

It was Puntland and Faroole who encouraged the Galmudug administration. Doring the constitutional negotiations Galmudug were one of the signatories of the federal charter.

 

Were they thinking Galmudug will rule only be ruling " xaafad ka tirsan Gaalkacyo"?, bo way. The most logical Federal State is the Amalgamation of Galmudug in to Puntland. They could have diluted the Homogeneous Tribal influence of one single clan. Having the Galdogob and and Galmudug in to Puntland state could have allowed people who share geography and culture to work together.

 

After all isn't this what puntland was looking for all these years. The establishment of tribal based federal states. Be Careful or what you wish. If the issue is geography, trade and proximity, Galmudug should have been part of Puntland. Rather than adding puntland the Buuhoodle district which is outskirt of Burco, you should have added those communities who share geography.

 

In this new Central state, Cadaado could be the Capital. Al-shabaab and " budhcad Badeed" won't be an issue to reject this, they could be defeated sooner or later.

 

The United Nation guy was there too. Welcome to the tribal homeland of Somalia.

[Adam]

^ Ask you self where are those who day in day out call for federalism are now. They will not accept Mudug and Galgaduud Uniting for one reason alone , qabilism. Haha their propganda of qabilism backfired on them. Let Gaalckyo be united under Central state , if they genuienly believe in Federalism or let them shut up. with their devious hypocritical Federalism Somaliweyn .Both the US and UN has welcomed Central state .

[DoctorKenney]

I see no reason why Galguduud and Mudug uniting into a single Central State should be rejected.

 

As long as the people of that region voluntarily want to form this Administration, then why not?

 

What's the controversy here?

[galbeedi]

Dr.k, the controversy is Puntland may lose all of Mudug including Gaalkacyo and Galdogob.

[Che -Guevara]

In the post civil war Somalia, I found Pland to be the one entity that is honest about the basis for its existence.

[DoctorKenney]

Can't be there some form of Constitutional exemption, where the Federal Parliament allows the province of Mudug to be broken into 2?

 

One half of Mudug going to Puntland and the rest of Mudug going to the proposed Central State?

 

There's nothing wrong with some flexibility here

[Adam]

^ The Signed document says Mudug and Galgaduud united under Central state. Surely Puntland must accept that and Support whats best for the new Federal Somalia just like they arguied for Jubba State . Let Gaclkayo become a model city for the new Federal somalia where Buntland Voleenterily Gives Galcakyo to new Central state and support the Federal Somalia and the leadership of Xassan sheikh . The US , UN and Igad are all behind Central state lets not have qabiil spoilers. Z

[galbeedi]

Dr. K no exceptions here. Shabeelaha hoose , bay and Bakool were forced. The Bay people wanted six states. The Un, Igad and the federal government forced three states. Juba, Gedo and Jubbada Dhexe is already decided.

 

Labo gobol ayaa la yidhi iyo wax ka badan. If you go by districts, it could get messy. You either add all of galmudug to Puntland all , or Mudug will join Central state of Somalia. it is done deal. I do not think Puntland can go against the United Nations.

[Tillamook]

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@galbeedi

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Dr.k, the controversy is Puntland may lose all of Mudug including Gaalkacyo and Galdogob.

 

Mudug, FYI, consists of 5 districts. So answer me this, señor Galbeedi with your inexhaustible wisdom, why should 3 districts that are the founding fathers of Puntland,which predates this whole federal state building scheme underway in the country at the moment, have to leave Puntland and join up a new upstart state? Surely a wise and fair mind would support the wisdom in having the 2 districts in Mudug currently looking to form a state to join the other 3 which are already part of Puntland, that is of course, unless for tribal reasons you have a different agenda?

 

Bottom line, in my opinion, is that this new Mudug/ Galgaduud scheme will ultimately fail because their is a tribal agenda driving it. And in Somalia, if the game turns into tribalism, then the D Bloc laandheeryaal will prevail and the history of our country backs this up one hundred and ten percent

 

 

[galbeedi]

Tillamook, Welcome back, Look, before the formation of these new federal states, puntland existed before, so does Galmudug. They were the signatories of the federal constitution. All the federal states are driven by tribal agenda.

 

If the issue is geography, trade and Confederation, then Mudug should join Puntland.It will be ungovernable to have a city " Gaalkacayo", divided by tribal red line. It is absurd to divide along tribal lines for people who lived together for decades. There is no united D block to object this. It looks like " in Garoowe iyo Boosaaso laidinku soo koobayo".

 

Also both Galmudug and Galgaduud are have not provinces with little agriculture or trade. Let Galgaduud, hiiran and shabeelaha dhexe make a federal state , and make Mudug , Nugaal and Bari a Puntland state. That is the logical state in my opinion.

[Tillamook]

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You are right about Galgaduud, Hiraan and Shabeelaha dhexa ultimately becoming a regional state that is insync with tenents stipulated by the federal constitution...However, about the current constituent provincial members of Puntland and the addition thereto ..bal ku noqo xisaabtaas --O ye with the inexhaustible wisdom!

[DoctorKenney]

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Dr. K no exceptions here. Shabeelaha hoose , bay and Bakool were forced. The Bay people wanted six states. The Un, Igad and the federal government forced three states. Juba, Gedo and Jubbada Dhexe is already decided.

 

Labo gobol ayaa la yidhi iyo wax ka badan. If you go by districts, it could get messy. You either add all of galmudug to Puntland all , or Mudug will join Central state of Somalia. it is done deal. I do not think Puntland can go against the United Nations.

 

This is different Galbeedi. Puntland existed since 1998, so why should they be forced to give up a piece of their territory to fit some technical Constitutional requirement?

 

The case with the people of Bay&Bakool isn't the same, because the SouthWest State has JUST been formed in 2014, so the new Constitutional requirements apply in that case. But since Puntland has been around for 16 years, there should be some form of exemption, where the 3 districts of Mudug can go to Puntland, while the rest of Mudug can be used to form the Central State. But what would be ideal....is for Galmudug to just make an agreement with Puntland and unite to form a larger Puntland State. That would be far less messy, and if it satisfies the people of Galmudug, then that's totally fine.

[Tallaabo]

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@DoctorKenney

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This is different Galbeedi. Puntland existed since 1998, so why should they be forced to give up a piece of their territory to fit some technical Constitutional requirement?

 

The case with the people of Bay&Bakool isn't the same, because the SouthWest State has JUST been formed in 2014, so the new Constitutional requirements apply in that case. But since Puntland has been around for 16 years, there should be some form of exemption, where the 3 districts of Mudug can go to Puntland, while the rest of Mudug can be used to form the Central State. But what would be ideal....is for Galmudug to just make an agreement with Puntland and unite to form a larger Puntland State. That would be far less messy, and if it satisfies the people of Galmudug, then that's totally fine.

There will be no exemption to the rule of federalism in Somalia. Whether Puntland existed since 1998 or since 1945 does not make any difference here. The constitution which says "two states and more should form federal states" was put together and signed by Puntland, so surely they they can't be the ones to break the rule. The constitution did not say states and cities should be broken into pieces in order to satisfy Puntland's clan federalism. As Mudug and Gaalkacayo cannot be in two separate federal states, they should either be in Puntland or in a new federal state. I support the creation of a federal state consisting of Mudug and Galgaduud :-D

[Tillamook]

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Tallaabo, as usual, you make way more sense defending gay rights on a Somali website than giving your $0.02 on political matters on this same Somali website. This does not mean, however, that I mean to discredit your opinion on this particular matter regarding whether 2 districts in south Mudug should be allowed to cause 3 districts in North Mudug to split from Puntland which is already a functioning and recognized Federal member state. And to prove to you of my earnestness in not wanting to discredit your point view regarding this issue, I too agree that there is nothing wrong with north Mudug breaking away from Puntland and joining this new state, just as it is valid for south Mudug to forget about this new state and join Puntland. Both arguments are valid, but reason and logic stipulate that the will of the majority will prevail.

 

The majority in this case will lead to the choice of the 3 districts tramping the will of the 2 districts. That is ofcourse if fairness and equity are paramount.

 

Also, besides the majority of the people of Mudug being part of Puntland, there is NOT real tangible unity between the brotherly Hag communities of Galmudug and Ximin&Xeeb to really even pull through such a daunting task of stealing away north Mudug from Puntland.

 

So Mr. Tallaabo, please explain to us once again how you suppose this abortion of a scheme to ever see the light of day with such odds marshalled against it?