The Birth Of A New Reality In The Middle East

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@CidanSultan

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6-BUoX7uR0

 

Is there any other force talking about chaliphate????

 

The clip was very revealing, regarding the genealogy of the so called caliph. its emphasized his ancestral link to the prophet and is used as tool for legitimizing his leadership. but non arab muslims will have you believe there exists complete equality between the various races in their caliphate utopia.

Most arabs infact considered the ottoman caliphate illegitimate because it was led by turks. the caliphate must be led by arabs with roots to quraysh. its no wonder lawrence found eager support among arabian tribes for the overthrow of the last caliphate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[CidanSultan]

^^^^

 

You have no understanding of history do you? The ottoman chaliphate was always considered legitimate. When the west attempted to divide Muslims they sowed the seeds of discord and nationalism and they turned the stupid Arabs against there brothers and destroyed turkey with secular nonsense but the ottoman chaliphate legitimacy was not challenged for most of its existence. Furthermore if the caliphate was all about geology then the chaliphate would have gone to a relative but it went to abubakr and then to umar then to Othman these were not direct relatives of the prophet. This man in Iraq just happens to share lineage but lineage is not of primal importance. The core essence is capacity and capabilities. So I repeat again you have no clue what you are talking about.

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--op2bDLp_Q

 

 

[CidanSultan]

As Somalis, we have seen the devastating results of scientific socialism and atheism under said barre which failed. We have seen our struggles for pan Somalism which has failed. We must understand that our land belongs to us. our brothers in Djibouti are to busy speaking French and adopting French customs over their own culture, while the others are subjugated by Ethiopia and Kenya. To have Kenya and Ethiopia on what's left of our soil is a crime. Therefore they must leave or be forced to leave. Secondly the two remaining territories of somaliland and somalia should first establish islamic systems of governance free from alshabab who seem to be only interested in killing innocent people. We must start at the city level, implementing islamic concepts, notions of governance that benefit the society at large. Focusing on security, welfare (zakat), education, vocational training for youth etc. promoting and ending clan hatred and creating peaceful co-existence. Ending all dependence on un bodies and politicians who have agendas that are not islamic. As city after City develops, we should focus on army building or enhancing our armies. We should use our intellect and create a new system that leads to or empowers the global islamic resurgence. We should be investing in the basics and as the basics turn into normal essentials we should develop research and technology to build manufacturing industries and military might that is the envy of Africa. We should empower Muslims across East Africa and build alliances with Muslim States and peoples around us. This is the only way forward.

[CidanSultan]

Nationalism has made us dependent, communism destroyed our ethics and our humanity for one another and pan Somalism destroyed our concept of what it means to be somali. Islam remains the only connection we have to one another and the only humanity we have for one another. It also gives us principles and ethics that promote harmony and development. If one state is dead it is the sole responsibility of the other state to implement these policies on its territory to become the light for the others. For this reason if we can't live with one another because of what we experienced then surely it is better for us to leave one another and develop separately and unite stronger later then all of us dieing.

 

Seeing this forum and the number of people go on it and contribute who knows one of us may be leader of his peoples one day that is why I post this. Islam is the only social, political and economic solution that we have not tried and therefore it is our duty to attempt to bring this system into being on our own native soil. Simple

[CidanSultan]

If Muslim unification comes and when it comes Somalis should be and must be the most powerful force in East Africa. It is our destiny and our duty on behalf of the Muslim nation to be so.

[xabad]

i am not buying this phony brotherhood under caliphate thing. there is no way to transcend nationality and race, its impossible.

 

The caliphate was a terrible, incompetent, miserable, backward system of governance. no representation whatsoever for the ordinary subjects. caliphate's main aim was to tax and raise an army from its subjects, not improving their lot. the caliphs were negligent and irresponsible rulers, preoccupied with palace pleasures more than anything else. when the coffers run dry, they would a military campaign to plunder for booty and land. religion was an excuse for attacking innocents and justifying criminal behavior.

 

your are falling hard for Muslim historical revisionism and sentimentalism if you believe otherwise. one can easily imagine the rosy hallowed image conjured up if critical faculties are suspended. History however shows an amateurish primitive polity not worth praising or emulating.

 

[CidanSultan]

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You know nothing of history you seem to be making it up as you go or some form of informant with an ulterior motive. You worship the religion of your fathers right was it waq you said hahahha....and you argue the chaliphate was backward. No one cares for your opionion because clearly you don't know what your talking about.

[CidanSultan]

Our greatest enemy is the devil, secularism, pan Somalism, nationalism, tribalism and despotism. It's time we wake up and implement islamic rule in our societies to solve our problems and to make us powerful.

 

City by City person by person...this is the only way forward....across the entire Muslim world but we must start with our own families and extended families and our towns and cities and nations. We must start with ourselves

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrNkyghpfJ8

[DoctorKenney]

I 100% agree with you CidanSultan. That is the only way forward. Implementing Islam at a grassroots level and start inter-community cooperation, and slowly we can start building the foundations of a powerful Islamic State which respects the rights of it's citizens and is an example to the rest of the world. But I don't like nor do I agree with the actions of ISIS, Shabab and all these other groups.

 

I want Somalia to be the gateway into Africa, when it comes to Islam. If Somalia becomes stable inshaAllah and goes through economic development, I want the Somali Government to start funding trips for Muslim missionaries to start preaching Islam in all these southern African countries. The Missionaries could even be backed by Somali troops, and the entire project could be funded by the Somali Government, and it would be extraordinarily cheap to carry out.

 

We've seen the successes of British-based Muslim Dawah groups in the West and in Africa. Imagine this Dawah was backed by the funding of a powerful nation (ie. Somalia)

 

We could go a long way with this.

[CidanSultan]

The objectives I stated are not really defined to a specific territory like Somalia. These objectives transcend borders because fundamentally we need an entire social and physiological make over. Like I said communism was state sponserd, pan Somalism was state sponserd and they both failed these systems were introduced in the class room and over time changed the population. this is grass root sociological transformation that should take root in Ethiopia, Djibouti, Somaliland, Somalia and Kenya. Therefore this debate transcends borders. Much has happened over the last hundred years. The Italian and French literally changed the peoples way of thinking. Therefore we should do the same. In Djibouti for example although the French influence is strong it can be done among the local inhabitants through schools, through businesses, through charity, through TV and radio In Ethiopia and Kenya even though they live under occupation it can also be done, in somaliland and somalia it can be done. Somalia would be harder because the government is dependent on foreign Christien mercanaries. The peoples way of thinking has to be changed after communism , pan Somalism, despositism and tribalism they must be introduced to a new system but there should also be a central authority or party that can implement this strategy across all Muslim peoples and it sure isn't alshabab. Our objective is the total transformation of society and this should be extended to the anfar, the Oromo, Muslim xabashis and Kenyan Muslims not only Somalis.

 

I say this because the people must want to before we can implement anything. The Muslim people of Ethiopia are under fire as much as we are along with Kenya therefore why should we not include them. We need a centralisation of wealth, through mosques, committees, branches. Like a organisation of Mosques In East Africa and close collaboration through faith, zakat and outreach and social program's which empower the people politically to change from within the political structures of there families, extended families, towns, cities and states. Leading to a new Muslim rebirth in East Africa that is not ethnocentric.

[Tallaabo]

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@ElPunto

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In foreign affairs - it's best not to be blinkered by idealistic empty rhetoric ie. 'the Iranian people sacrificed everything in order to support the Palestinian cause' etc. After the Iranian Revolution - Khomeni did everything he could to export his revolution to other Muslim countries particularly those with restive Shia populations. This is why the Sunni Arab regimes turned on Iran. They were protecting their own power structure. And the support for the Palestinians is the classic - 'my enemy's enemy is my friend' - and not some underlying Iranian sympathy with the Palestinians. If there was that - it would have been evident during the Shah's time - when Israel saw Iran as the only friend and ally they had in the Mid-east. Say what you will about the corrupt Sunni Arab regimes - they may be American stooges but they have never embraced Israel. Finally - if the current regime in Iran cares about Sunni Muslims - they would let the 1 million sunnis living in Tehran have their own purpose built mosque. At the end of the day - interest trumps morality.

I have already said Iran under the Shah was a thrusted friend of Israel and the West but thanks to their Islamic revolution and their unfailing support for Palestine, they were put under harsh economic sanctions and so did not develop economically as well as their other Persian Gulf neighbours. Iran can easily recognise Israel again, re-establish relations with the West, and disregard all Arab problems, but they don't. They are more principled than the Sunni Arab regimes around them.

[CidanSultan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL0atfi6qt0

 

 

 

[CidanSultan]

Even if it takes another 100 years it is our duty to establish a chaliphate....

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Tallaabo]

Apart from the first four caliphs and few more after them, every other so called caliph was nothing more than a fratricidal tyrant hell bent on building luxurious palaces for himself on slave labour and topping up an already overcrowded harems with even more fair skinned concubines.

[CidanSultan]

^^^ talabo what you said makes no sense ..." Apart from the first four and a few after them"...?

 

So which number chaliph was mehmet the great ?

 

 

 

 

Or solaiman the magnificent.?

 

 

 

 

Seriously what is constructive about what you wrote ?.. Because there was one bad chaliph we should abolish the entire system even though most of chaliphs have been good and expanded the islamic territory to the very centre of Europe?.. Is that what you are emplying because that doesn't make sense.