After 54 years imbecility ( garaad xumo), continues.

[Tillamook]

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@Coofle

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We are not short of enlightened leaders what we are short of is people who will let them lead. the satirical comment may be true "Every country gets the country they deserve"...

 

"We have enlightened leaders but we just wont let them lead us"...is that right Mr.Coofle?

 

I wholeheartedly disagree saaxiib. I am yet to see any one Somali individual who has the courage, wisdom, discipline, and kindness to lead all Somalis for the benefit of all Somalis. And also why do you make it sound like, we the Somali, are employers who can hire a leader whenever we wish but refuse to do so because we don't want to be lead. This is not true.

 

Only when the Somali people can benefit from the leadership of an individual politicians will they rally around him. Have you forgotten that human beings are self-interested dissimulators who will only support what is in their immediate advantage?

 

So these "enlightened leaders" you speak of better step up to the plate, and show us why it is in our personal interest to support them, that is of course, if they are truly enlightened.

[galbeedi]

You know guys, Coofle have a point. The masses might be their own enemies. Leaders probably are the reflection of the masses they represent. People have the tendencies of refusing to give a chance those who might be honest. It is easy to discourage. " reer hebel buu neceb yahay" will be enough to stay away from a good man. in bad cultures, the rule of law is a threat to their way of life.

 

There are constant allegations of wrongdoing and embezzlement of public funds, yet there are no legal or journalistic mechanism to get to the bottom of it.

 

The guy who stole tuesday may be a candidate today.The first step is to elect a new generation of leaders who are accountable.

 

[YoniZ]

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@galbeedi

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Leaders probably are the reflection of the masses they represent.

 

The above statement is accurate. However, the question is who are the real leaders of Somalia today? Who represent the masses?

 

politicians who don't have any authority beyond fiddling the small amounts of cash filtered through the system or donated cannot be addressed as the ones who represent the masses.

 

The rotten system in place is cooked and thumb stamped by illiterate traditional elders (Gadhcas) who even after the instalment of governments still wail and disrupt the little actions any honest politician is willing to take.

 

These are today's leaders and the ones that represent the illiterate and, the educated but illiterate-minded masses. They are the inspiration of crappy politicians, justifiers of the catastrophic failures and, the legitimizers of the shit we in for the past two decades.

 

If anyone observed the selection process of any local or national elections, they will know how the Gadhcas did their ploy. They are the overall authority and ally of today's half-witted politicians, the clients of the local NGO parasites and the bedfellows of the so called beesha caalamka.

 

If I have it my way, these Gadhcas will loose their unyielding power and wealth, deported to the villages where their people live and, prohibit them to even set a foot in a city.

 

They have to stay in the countryside and live the life of real traditional elder. No Land-cruisers or fancy hotel bookings paid by the tax payers. No direct access to politicians, NGOs or beesha caalamka crooks.

 

Their expenses have to be fully met by who ever crowned them to be their elder. We have caano shub event in nearly every month, the reason for that is, people know that the easiest way to have part of the public treasure loot is to name your own Gadhcas and someone else will foot the bill.

[Dhagax-Tuur]

The easiest solution might be to create 'guriga Garcasta",set them their salary and whatnot, and then use them for the good of the country.

 

Garcasta are well past the point returning them to the villages.

 

Dictatorship is the way forward for Somalia. But We need good dictator, that's good for the country.

[DoctorKenney]

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@Dhagax-Tuur

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The easiest solution might be to create 'guriga Garcasta",set them their salary and whatnot, and then use them for the good of the country.

 

Garcasta are well past the point returning them to the villages.

 

Dictatorship is the way forward for Somalia. But We need good dictator, that's good for the country.

 

Yeah we can't have a doqoon like Qoslaaye become the dictator of Somalia.

 

He doesn't know what he's doing. He's too busy laughing and adjusting his belt size due to his growing calool.

 

Now a smart dictator, who has actual love for his people, that would be a far better alternative.

[Coofle]

So we all agree on the "Good dictatorship" Module...

 

Also As Mr.Galbeedi said "Leaders reflect the masses"...Here is an anecdote.

 

Back in the last Somaliland parliamentary elections, our subclan have endorsed the candidacy of some Mudane. The mudane had no for formal secondary education hence he counterfeited a secondary school certificate to meet the - low bar - National election commission eligibility criteria. The man was no orator and couldn't even support himself financially. A person like him might at least be a people's person, a charismatic tribal know-how, well he failed at these too. Still the subclan who had hundreds of much suitable candidates decided to put their full weight behind him, funding his election campaign and voting for him in astronomical numbers rendering him one of the Somaliland MPs easily. Nowdays Ninkaasi talada reerka isagaa meel kasta u fadhiya and even among the sub-clan he have no respect.

 

Well that is only one example of how we make our own leaders, follow someone blindly and support them in the name of the lineage. .... it doesn't mean we lack appropriate or qualified leaders, they simply don't want to be there and WE don't want them there...

 

Well another example that might enrage our friends here include, The support for Muuse biixi's presidency election from every layman and lawman of his clan, uneducated warlord that even his most feverish supporters will tell you he is incompetent...or Maslax siyaad for that matter, almost becoming the Somali president, A man rich of explanation...the examples go on and on...Dahir Aways, Indhacade (warlord turned Wadaad in a night), Morgan etc.......

 

Its that clannish disposition we all have that is clouding us from seeing the reality. To find the right path, we need to exchange that with Nationalism,Religious globalism, logic or at least be apathetic about malignant clannish interests...anyways that is all another story.

 

[Tillamook]

 

Dictatorship is unnatural and in its very essence unjust. Which is why it will not suffice for Somalia.

 

Somalis need to build institutions of governance and accountability at the grassroots level. When every sub clan focuses on educating their own children, providing health services for their mothers and women, and ensuring the security of their tuulos, then most our problems would be resolved.

 

So Coofle & others, what have you done for your tuulo lately?

[Dhagax-Tuur]

^That, brother, is a huge task. The good dictator model will easily accomplish the building of good schools, health system, infrastructure etc, because nobody dare oppose him/her. And if this said dictator is visionary, they'll be able to build foundation for good governance, if not, after few generations of highly educated and competent people, model can be corrected through peaceful means a la Tunisia.

 

Question is, can we ever find such person from a pool of small minded, personal interest driven people?

[YoniZ]

You must be laughing or have very short memory...tell me what people thought about Siyad when he came to power.

 

Good dictator!!! What put us in the mess in the first place? Who guarantees, a good dictator will not turn to our old bad habits? Don't be fooled by the Soviet spending spree (schools, factories, army) that pampered the cracks until the shit hit the fan.

 

We are from society, no short of brainless illiterates that give blank cheques to fools that can easily manipulate using short tactical ideologies (Scientific science, Alshabab doctrine), with bit of well-oiled cash machinery (Soviet cash, Jehadi cash).

 

I honestly believe we have reached the bottom, and from now on, things should go should be in upward trend even-though in painstakingly slow fashion. The past decade (2004-2014, the transitional decade) was improvement from the prior one (1994-2004, the SS decade)and the next decade (2014-2024, haywire federations) should be an advancement that will pave the road to better future.

 

Let the society keep in this topsy-turvy way till it balances and we have something workable. No short cuts, and definitely no going back to the dark ages of semi-illiterate strong men. Good leaders will come being shaped by the future events.

 

Finally, don't be short-termist and think that if you will not live to see that day, it is not worth doing it (Odayada soomaaliyed dhaqanka lagu yaqaan...Selfish). Your children should benefit from the seeds you plant today.

[galbeedi]

This is the kind of discussions people were expecting and missing from SOL. I really like the way Coofle is analyzing. I hope it will continue. Decisions are made by those who show up. As he said, most of us don't want to be there. Certain skills are neede to court and pamber the tribal leaders.

 

Also, as Dhagaxtuur said, these Gadhacaseyaal are already there, and will fight back if you try to eliminate them. Make them Senators so they could be at least accountable.

 

When a country is trying to rise from the ashes of civil war , anarchy and tribalism, you need a strong voice. If you look back the countries in Africa who recuperated from the civil war , they all had a strong leader to stabilize and move forward. IN Rwanda and Uganda, both got a benevolent dictators to sort out the mess.

 

We Somalis are our own "Suldaans", fiercely independent people who could not be coerced easily by a dictator, especially short sighted tribal dictator. If the dictator is a benevolent, the people must buy that he is above the tribal pickering and the corruption of the elite, and he must lead by example. The Somali masses are very well informed and inclined to detect any slant of nepotism, tribal loyalty or even the perception of " Qabyaalad".

 

Yoniz is saying a " haywire Federalism" is the way. of course federalism is here to stay, but the national security situation and the threat of Al-shabaab can't be eliminated by a painstaking work that needed a united command and effort, which the regional governments do not have the resources or capabilities . One may argue that Puntland has achieved some success on the security issue, but peaceful Puntland is not enough to sustain or guarantee a national government. That coming decade of 2014-2024 could be lost by the constant pickering and the subduing of al-shabaab.

 

Maybe for starters, we should get rid of the so called parallel leadership of the Prime minister and President. This Italian system of government is predisposed to fail. From 1945- 1990 the Italians had almost forty governments. How many prime ministers did we had from 2000 to 2014. It is more than ten.

 

we need a unified leadership of President and vice President, like the Somaliland system. In Somaliland the leader has dictatorial powers , but doesn't achieve bigger goals due to short sightedness. Any way, if we can't agree on benevolent visionary dictator, then we must start by eliminating the Italian system of parallel and conflicting leadership.

 

 

[Coofle]

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@YoniZ

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You must be laughing or have very short memory...tell me what people thought about Siyad when he came to power.

.

 

I was not even born during that time .... but the account of those who witnessed the transition and in poetry from that era, people welcomed Siyad barre's Coup...

Timacadde says..

Madaxdaan u hilowney

haddii aan maanta haleellay

hor-wadeenka Siyaad iyo

hanadyaal ka sokeeya

waxay haybinayaan iyo

taladay hinjiyaanba

adigaa haya khayrka e

Rabbiyoow "haye" noo dhehoo

nooga hiili kufaarta!

 

Also for Timocadde

-Dhimasho iyo noloshaa isu jira, labada dhooloode

-Dhako meyd markay yeelatey baa geeshku dhiidhiyaye

-Dhurwaayada kuwii naga xidhxidhay, way na dhiciyeene

-Dhammaantoodba waa u mahad naqnaa, kuna dhawaaqnaaye

Another Poet "Qaasim" describes how corrupt the government were before the coup..

Casha aan fogeyn waxays beddeli ciidan fara weyne

Caaddaa rag koraybuu nabsigu hoos u soo celinne

Caanuhu dhawaan way ka quban ciil dar loo qabaye

Inay Curaddo khayr lihi kacaan ciiddan la arkeeye

 

The Revered Somali poet "Af-Qalooc" ...

Saciim buu Afriiqiya u yahay saadiq aaminahe

Sida qamarka oogada socda bay sare u eegaane

Sawdkuu la yeedhiyo codkaa loo sid tiriyaaye

Seeftii nasriga iyo wuxu sitaa suuratul ikhlaase

Sagal hooray buu noo yahay iyo seermaweydada e

Sidii lagu tilmaamaba runtii uga sinaad roone

Sidaasay dadweynuhuna kalsoonida dhab ugu siiyeene

 

 

 

During the early 70s, Siyaad barre initiated somali industrialization, empowered nomads and farmers.don't forget the somali script and the epidemic of education that swept the country. He transformed the country. But the problem was what came after that, the Ethiopian war, the prosecution of civilians on their clan affiliation, The widespread prejudice, the Communism. I believe If siyaad barre was a little more enlightened or at least lived in the 21st century he would have been better man.

[Coofle]

reiteration ....

We need to clarify one thing, by benevolent dictatorship we don't mean an arrogant,ignorant, self absorbed leader who will function on the whims that his brain dicatates and drive people awry.... What we mean is a man who will not be bend by his tribal disposition, starting from pleasing "oday dhaqameedyada" (I am pretty sure at least half of the Somaliland presidential office budget goes as a form of bribery to Sultans) .. At the same time that leader should only lead the country forward, and his mere compass will be SCIENCE!!! and true Islamic and Morals.

 

As Galbeedi mentioned, the Somaliland administration is semi-dictatorial with president having an absolute power and Somaliland is on the right track. What is needed in Somaliland is new a breeze that replaces the old dogs reinventing themselves in new names.

 

 

......Bottom line is I am fed with pleasing the tribalism infested Sultans...Tribes are members of a country, the good and bad should equally affect members of the country regardless of reer hebel and it does.....No tribe have benefited from the Civil war, we all lost, we should understand that the prosperity of our neighboring tribe means our tribe's prosperity, dadku ma kala maarmaan....Let us grow up, what is difficult about that..........(Everything!).....The man (or men) to lead us out of our quandary should understand and teach such principle.

[Tillamook]

This is the beauty of federalism. If Somaliland wants to be lead by a benevolent dictator, that is fine. If Puntland chooses a less dictatorial president, that is fine too. And that goes the same for the other federal states of the country.

 

The bottom line is that we will only judge them all by how well they perform for their respective constituencies.

 

This will take time, but I believe Somalis will eventually get their act together, one region at a time.