galbeedi Posted June 24, 2014 Well, at least there is a resolution on the matter. I agree Jubbaland is gone, what remains is a genuine power sharing among the communities in JUba region. Since we can't resolve issue among our selves, maybe the usually maligned United Nations envoy or leaders are a necessary evil. If things are left for moryooley to sort out, it will protract for long time and might even cause war. The days of centralized power in Mogadishu are gone and are not coming back. Those who have an alternative federalism, should provide their models. Know we need Mr. Kay to proceed to Galgaduud , Hiiraan and Johar for resolution. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cadale Posted June 24, 2014 LOL. Good luck i say, the shabelle state president and vice president are in merca as we speak and they have been the past month and they're armed to teeth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
malistar2012 Posted June 24, 2014 TOP NEWS, DHAGEYSO:- Wasiirka Arimaha Gudaha Soomaaliya oo ka soo horjeestay aqoonsigii dowladu shalay siisay maamulka Sadaxda gobal ee Baydhabo looga dhawaaqay Jun 24, 2014 - jawaab Wasiirka Arimaha Gudaha Soomaaliya Cabdulaahi Goobax Bare ayaa ka soo horjeestay aqoonsigii dowladu shalay siisay maamulka Sadaxda gobal ee Baydhabo looga dhawaaqay. Wasiirka oo la hadlay BBC-da ayaa ku sheegay aqoonsigaasi inuu ahaa mid baadil ah oo lagu dag dagay haatana uu yahay mid waxba kama jiraan ahDEG DEG:- Wasiirka Arimaha Gudaha DF oo si cad uga soo horjeestay heshiiskii shalay ka dhacay Muqdisho ee maamulka K/galbeed Jun 24, 2014 - jawaab Post Views = 122 Wasiirka Arimaha Gudaha iyo Federaalka Xukuumada Soomaaliya Cabdulaahi Goodax Barre oo goordhaw la hadlay Idaacada BBC-da ayaa kasoo horjeestay heshiiskii shalay lagu saxiixay Madaxtooyada Soomaaliya kaa oo lagu micneeyay Maamulka Koonfur Galbeed Soomaaliya.. Cabdulaahi Goodax Barre ayaa sheegay in habkii loo maray Maamulka Koonfur Galbeed Soomaaliya ee shalay Madaxda Dowlada aqoonsadeen uu yahay mid sharci daro ah , waxa uuna tilmaamay in Wasaaradiisa oo xaq u leh arimaha Maamul u sameynta aan lagala tashan. Wasiirka ayaa xusay in xiligan aysan habooneyn in Dowladu aqoonsato maamul Goboleed uu muran ka taagan yahay , waxa uuna tilmaamay in Maamulkii Jubba uu dood ka taagnaa hadana la aqoonsaday mid kale oo farqaha la heesto. ‘’ Waad ogtahay in Maamulkii Jubba dhib badan laga maray oo la isku qabsaday , hadana midkan ood lasocotaa in dad badan kasoo horjeedaan oo la isku heesto in la aqoonsado waa nasiib daro’’ ayuu yiri Wasiirka Arimaha Gudaha. Wasiirka Arimaha Gudaha Xukuumada Soomaaliya ayaa sheegay in shaqadiisa ay dad kale faraha la galeyn kuwaa uu kala jeeday Madaxda sare ee Dowlada, waxa uuna tilmaamay in shaqada Dowlada ay iska noqotay nin walboo iskaa wax u qabso . Hadalka Wasiirka Arimaha Gudaha Xukuumada Soomaaliya ayaa imaanaya xili Maalintii shalay Madaxtooyada Soomaaliya uu ka dhacay Heshiis la sheegay in ay ku midoobeen Maamuladii Baydhabo looga dhawaaqay iyadoona Maamulkaasi ay aqoonsadeen Sadaxda Masuul ee ugu sareysa Dalka. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
malistar2012 Posted June 24, 2014 XOG:- Soomaaliya oo cagaha lasii galaysa dagaalo sokeeye & caalamka oo holcinaaya Dalka Soomaaliya oo colaad ay ka jirtay in ka badan 23-sano ayaa hadda faraha lasii galaaya dagaalo sokeeye oo laga yaabo in dhibaatooyin cusub horseed u noqoto. Shalay caalamka iyo DF waxay aqoonsadeen maamulka K/galbeed, waxaana maamulkaan uu maamuli doonaa sedax gobal oo Shabeelaha Hoose ka mid tahay. Siyaasiin, xildhibaano, wasiiro,Odayaal dhaqameed kasoo jeeda gobalka Shabeelaha Hoose ayaa si cad u sheegay in ay dagaal ka xigaan hadii maamulka K/galbeed kusoo xadgudbo Shabeelaha Hoose. Hadda iyo dhibaato ayaa dalkii kusoo wajahan, waxaana sidoo kale jira in Madoobe Nuunoow iyo rag kale oo ay ka mid yihiin Aadan Madoobe ay doonayaan in xoog ay ku maamulaan Lix gobal. Dhanka kale Shabelle State iyo DF ayaa hadda isku soo baxay dhanka ciyaarta siyaasadda, waxaana DF ay soo aragtay K/galbeed, Lix iyo Sedax gobal iyo Jubba State. Laakiinse hadii ay Labadaan Maamul ay meel soo saartay, mid walbana la siiyay wax uu ku qanacsanyahay, waxaana jirin weji cusub oo lagu qanciyo maamulka Shabelle State oo hadda xidideestay. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
malistar2012 Posted June 24, 2014 XOG:- Soomaaliya oo cagaha lasii galaysa dagaalo sokeeye & caalamka oo holcinaaya Dalka Soomaaliya oo colaad ay ka jirtay in ka badan 23-sano ayaa hadda faraha lasii galaaya dagaalo sokeeye oo laga yaabo in dhibaatooyin cusub horseed u noqoto. Shalay caalamka iyo DF waxay aqoonsadeen maamulka K/galbeed, waxaana maamulkaan uu maamuli doonaa sedax gobal oo Shabeelaha Hoose ka mid tahay. Siyaasiin, xildhibaano, wasiiro,Odayaal dhaqameed kasoo jeeda gobalka Shabeelaha Hoose ayaa si cad u sheegay in ay dagaal ka xigaan hadii maamulka K/galbeed kusoo xadgudbo Shabeelaha Hoose. Hadda iyo dhibaato ayaa dalkii kusoo wajahan, waxaana sidoo kale jira in Madoobe Nuunoow iyo rag kale oo ay ka mid yihiin Aadan Madoobe ay doonayaan in xoog ay ku maamulaan Lix gobal. Dhanka kale Shabelle State iyo DF ayaa hadda isku soo baxay dhanka ciyaarta siyaasadda, waxaana DF ay soo aragtay K/galbeed, Lix iyo Sedax gobal iyo Jubba State. Laakiinse hadii ay Labadaan Maamul ay meel soo saartay, mid walbana la siiyay wax uu ku qanacsanyahay, waxaana jirin weji cusub oo lagu qanciyo maamulka Shabelle State oo hadda xidideestay. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr_Osman Posted June 24, 2014 <cite> @Peace Action said:</cite> Charity begins at home: Everyone should focus on developing their respective regions and local districts. We need to stop scapegoating our own local failures for the lack of reconciliation with other Somalis. I couldn't agree more, here here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr_Osman Posted June 24, 2014 I couldn't agree more, Somalis always try to foot the blame to other clans for their own local failures. HAGS blame pretty much anything and everything besides themselves. Why will reconcilation with PL/JL solve an issue that is local to mogadishu? It makes no sense at all, how is it, mogadishu which is 500 kilomters away from Kismayo and 1000 Kilometers away from Garowe reconcilation make it all of a sudden better? PL didn't have any reconcilation with HAG but it moved forward, PL progress isn't dependent on reconcilation with other clans that are far away from us, it is our duty to serve our people and make them healty, educated, and prospering for the future. If you failed to do that with the millions displaced in mogadishu, then you should blame yourself not everyone but you. I totally agree with what is said here 'don't blame the lack of reconcilation between somalis for your lack of progress'. I was even told today it is dangerous doing business in mogadishu today, don't be fooled by these one or two buildings, there is a closed network of business-men who will kill anyone they see as a threat to their market, they even killed somali businessmen as far as away in nairobi who posing a threat. If you don't have contacts or kafil in hamar you cant even live there let alone trade, this is unheard of in Puntland, where anyone can head to minister of business and register and pay a small fee and be free to trade in the state without protection of any sort required. Our business men don't need armed escorts in their own town, non locals don't need armed escorts, the people are just vastly different in PL compared to Mogadishu and I put it down to history. If you have a history, you have something to fall on, to learn from, to adhere to, if you lack it then you just become like african americans always blaming others for their lack of progress. We see an identical situation in mogadishu. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Che -Guevara Posted June 24, 2014 Peace Action, I am not opposed to federalism per se. What I oppose is loose federation with little central government powers. I wholly agree Somalis in every region should be able to take care of local issues but their powers should not undermine the central government. Somalistar. Why is the Minister contradicting his President? Cadale. Everyone is armed to the teeth. Small tribes are no longer easily bullied. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
malistar2012 Posted June 24, 2014 Every clan feels confidant they can bully this Gov by declaring to withdrawing their Support calling MP and Minister to quit their job if the gov will not support their state ? Case in point we seen in it in Puntland/Jubba Admin were the gov is forced to accept their demand or else ties are cut . HAG and the other clans who live in L Shabelle and middle shabbelle have formed state called Shabelle state and are confidant with admin. The Water Melons tribe and H.G have reconciled under the banner of Shabelle state further meeting and reconciliation will be Held in Afgooy the two side have accepted peace . Shabelle State will bring sustainable stability. <cite> @Che -Guevara said:</cite> Peace Action, I am not opposed to federalism per se. What I oppose is loose federation with little central government powers. I wholly agree Somalis in every region should be able to take care of local issues but their powers should not undermine the central government. Somalistar. Why is the Minister contradicting his President? Cadale. Everyone is armed to the teeth. Small tribes are no longer easily bullied. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cadale Posted June 24, 2014 <cite> @Che -Guevara said:</cite> Peace Action, I am not opposed to federalism per se. What I oppose is loose federation with little central government powers. I wholly agree Somalis in every region should be able to take care of local issues but their powers should not undermine the central government. Somalistar. Why is the Minister contradicting his President? Cadale. Everyone is armed to the teeth. Small tribes are no longer easily bullied. Che war ka joog baan ku iri. The last fightings was with watermals and hassan dahir aweys dhuso mareeb sub clan this move from the government angered the entire HAG, you saw the damage the dhusomareb crew did what do u think will happen when the ximan and xeebm,galmudug, unuka, the dayniile folks the beledweyn folks joins the fighting it will be an episode of 1991 all over again and we all know how it will end therefore i urge the government and watermals and the M folks in baydhabo to be sensible because things will get ugly believe me. Do u know why HAG will fight all in because if they loose shabelle hoose next target will be Banaadir. So believe me if the government doesn't stop they will get overthrown. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DoctorKenney Posted June 24, 2014 Wouldn't it be better to give Shabelleda Hoose to the HAG? And then form a State with Bay and Bakool regions only? Perhaps the RRA clan can make a deal with HAG, and agree to annex a portion of Lower Shabelle in order to have a viable port, to connect this port to the rest of Bay&Bakool, and then make an agreement to allow the HAG to annex a small portion of Bay district. In essence, they can perform a land swap. The HAG could get a small portion of Bay region. And the RRA can acquire a small portion of Lower Shabelle, so that they have a port which connects them to the ocean. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar Posted June 24, 2014 <cite> @DoctorKenney said:</cite> Wouldn't it be better to give Shabelleda Hoose to the HAG? And then form a State with Bay and Bakool regions only? Perhaps the RRA clan can make a deal with HAG, and agree to annex a portion of Lower Shabelle in order to have a viable port, to connect this port to the rest of Bay&Bakool, and then make an agreement to allow the HAG to annex a small portion of Bay district. In essence, they can perform a land swap. The HAG could get a small portion of Bay region. And the RRA can acquire a small portion of Lower Shabelle, so that they have a port which connects them to the ocean. Shabeellada Hoose halkee ku taalo iyo inta degmo ay tahay ma taqaan? Micnaha degmada 'Afgooye' loogu bixiye ma taqaan? Haddaadan ogeyn ama aad iska indhatireyso, hadda baro. Shabeellada Hoose waxee ka koobantahay Afgooye, Marka, Baraawe, Qoryooleey, Wanlaweyn, Awdheegle iyo Kunturwaareey. All but one are Afmaay speakers. Only Marka iyo deegaanka Shalaambood ayaa deegaan ahaan ah Afmaxaatiri speakers, dadkaasna ma'aha kuwa maanta xoogga ku heysto deegaanadaas oo maalin dhawayd qabsaday. Inta kale Afmaay speakers ayaa degan, oo ah: Afgooye, Baraawe, Awdheegle, Qoryooleey, Wanlaweyn iyo Kunturwaareey. Baraawe Afmaay speakers waxaa la dego Reer Baraawe oo ku hadlo afka Jimwiini oo Sawaaxiliga u dhow. Sida Marka iyadana sidaasoo kale waxaa deganaan jiray oo laga ciribtiray dadkii aasaasay degmadaas, Reer Marka oo Afmarko ku hadlo. Aan u soo noqdo sababta degmada Afgooye af gooye loogu bixiye. Waa waa meesha ay taariiq ahaan Afmaay iyo Afmaxaa tiri ku kala bixi jireen, walina ku kala baxaan. Wixii Koonfur ka ahaa Afgooye Afmaxaatiri loogu hadli jiray, wixii Waqooyi iyo Galbeed ka ahna Afmaay loogu hadli jiray, walina loogu hadlaa. Teeda kale yaaka talin jiray deegaanadaan oo xarun u ahayd Afgooye. Suldaanadii Afmaayga ku hadli jiray ka talin jiray. Meesha kale deegaanada kale Koonfur Galbeed loogu talin jiray waxee ahayd Luuq, another Afmaay town. Along with Baardheere, another town whose speakers speak Afmaay. ________________________ Heshiis ku sheegaan dad heshiiye maleh. Laba nin ilma adeer oo isku laf (midkooodna yahay Shariif Xasan walaalkiisa oo booska beenaadka u haayo) ayaa sadex doolar soo qaatay. Waa isku laf jufo hoose aanan bulshoweynta Koonfur Galbeed matali karin kana socon, deegaanka balaaran Koonfur Galbeedna matalin ayaa buug iyo qalin loo dhiibay. Labada nin waa Maadeer iyo Geeseey, oo waxba u heynin bulshoweynta Koonfur Galbeed. Wax heshiiye iyo gobollo la isku daray ayaaba iska yar. Dadkaan buunbuuninaayo heshiis ku sheegaan iyo kuwa mucaaradka ku ah deegaan aynan kasoo jeedina sheegaanaayo yeenan iswaalin. Heshiis dhaqan galaayo iyo mid meel u socdo midna ma'aha. Fedaaral iyo isku dar dar iyo isku walaaqidba mid Soomaaliya iyo Soomaalida dan ugu jirto ma'aha, mana ahaan doonto. Waxmagaratada dan mooday ha ogaadaan jiritaanka Soomaaliya oo jirto ku xirantahay tuuladiisa jiritaankeeda; Soomaaliya oo hormarto ayee ku hormareysaa; Soomaaliya oo baaba'do ayee ku baaba'eysaa; Soomaaliya oo nool ayee ku nooshahay. Taas ha ogaadaan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
galbeedi Posted June 24, 2014 MMA, I thought President Noone and Shariif Hassan agreed on this. Are we getting a wrong info on this?. Waxaan moodayey in labada kooxood hesshiska gaaheen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
galbeedi Posted June 24, 2014 one more thing, the D&M idea, so far is dominated by the M group. They never spoke about Shabeelaha Hoose or even tried to change anything. They always concentrated on BAY & Bakool. so they will not decide where the region goes. The Water maal who fought and are speaking for the region will decide if they will join the Shabelle thing or the Bay region. If the Watermaal want to join HAG no one can stop them. If the M can't fight for Jubada Dhexe where they have large population, how can they makes fight about Qoryooley or Marka. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tillamook Posted June 24, 2014 ^ You are right, the Digir&Muufo groups are like a headless chicken in the matter of Shabellaha. It will be upto the Water peoples whether they will submit to the Galgaduud folks who are occupying their lands or not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
