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[DoctorKenney]

CidanSultan, first it was 50 000 deaths, now it's hundreds of thousands of deaths?

 

Seriously, make up your mind. Which one is it?

 

And who are the ones who picked up arms against you that now cry unity? You're being irrational. That regime no longer exists, so that is that

[CidanSultan]

This is what seperates us from you. The reason why we have built a state from scratch while you guys dance around Africans who order you on your own soil. You assume that because we lack recognition that it is an impediment to our success. Nonsense. The reality that we control our territory from corner to corner, tax it and administer it is the primary important step. Thereafter comes development and enlarging our armed forces. These stages have already been achieved. A single currency uniting 3.5 million people.

 

You see dreamers you haven't learnt to crawl and I'm running. The republic of somaliland will only get stronger and richer as the years go by. Then recognition will come eventually. Then the real game will start and I oppose any friendship or alliance with Somalia and laugh at any notion of brother states. We are enemy states.

[CidanSultan]

Doctor Kennedy do you seriously believe that only 50,000 people died. The UN estimates it at that amount. The UN is not GOD they don't know how many died. Entire cities were bombed people died as they walked to the Ethiopian border tens of thousands died in the SNM as rebels. People died of malnutrition. People were shot and thrown into hundreds of mass graves littered across almost every city. People died of land mines when they returned. The number is in the hundred of thousands. The people who raised arms against us are your lot te las canod folk the defeated lot who thought they could defeat duriyada with the chance they had using the taxes of the somali people to destroy a section of the somali people. What did we do when we defeated your uncle and armed and inspired aided followers we gave you peace and insure it wouldn't happen again we reached an agreement. You discarded that agreement again now tell me what the prophet did to the jews who renaged on te agreement they signed???

[CidanSultan]

He Killed them...

[DoctorKenney]

CidanSultan, don't you dare refer to Siyaad Barre as my Uncle.

 

You actually expect people to believe that hundreds of thousands died? What was it? 300 000 dead? 400 000?

 

Are we talking about Somaliland here or are we discussing Hiroshima/Nagasaki. What makes you believe that ANYONE is gonna accept your far-fetched claims? You're full of raw emotion and anger. And then you go along and imply that anyone who's not from your clan is complicit in Siyad Barre's undeniable crimes in the North. Somalia is a very lightly populated country. To believe that hundreds of thousands died due to the events of 1988 is insulting all of our intelligence. I'd be surprised if that many men even lived in Waqooyi province at that time.

 

But go ahead loool. Sit and believe in your delusions. Keep fooling yourself that you're greater than you are.

 

But Somaliland and Somalia should be enemy states with each other? You really think that's an appropriate goal to work towards? LOOL

 

You're detached from reality loooll :D

 

Hahahaha

 

Go ahead. Separate. Take your territories with you and form your own separate republic, and try to convince others in your marqaan-fueled delusions that you're better than the rest of the Horn Africans.

 

While the rest of us sit and laugh.

[CidanSultan]

Why shouldn't I call him your uncle he supported MOD didn't he. Are you not among those who are anti somaliland. How can you anyone be anti somaliland a stable state that is complying with the laws and treaties everyone in Africa abides by. Are you not the one that supports our opposition. Are you not the one that actively supports MOD.

 

Of course you are.

 

As for somaliland and Somalia being enemy states. My views are not based on emotion they are based on solid precedents. The time Somalia and somaliland could have been brother states was in 1991.

 

Today the brotherhood sh):! Is bull. To deny a people their right to end a union they voluntarily joined and had no benefits for 40 years even though they live in choas is not brotherly relations it's called enmity.

 

You reap what you sow... Therefore Somalilands long term interests does not lay with so called brotherly relations.

 

It lays in regional supremacy trough economic and military power.

 

We don't need your blessings, everything we have no one gave it to us we took it by force.

 

We have been laughing for 23 years trust me.

[DoctorKenney]

You're not very thoughtful are you? You just said that Somalia/Somaliland could have been brotherly states, but the lack of recognition on Somalia's part in the last 23 years is betrayal and they should never remain friends.

 

Let me say something to you, which is word-for-word exactly what I said to Xaaji Xunjuf:

 

There is no Government in Somalia. A government, by definition, has to have a monopoly of force in the region, and has to have full control over it's own borders. That doesn't exist in Somalia. So any "negotiations" between Somaliland and Somalia regarding a peaceful separation, back in 1991, would be nearly impossible to carry out. Sure we had self-declared warlords and pseudo-politicians who were the "Presidents" of the country (Aideed, Ali Mahdi, Abdiqasim, Sheikh Shariif, etc.), but they failed to control more than a few city blocks without the help of Foreign soldiers.

 

So they were never REALLY President. Our last real Government was the Dictatorship of Siyaad.

 

So under these circumstances, and dealing with the fact that we never HAD a real government in Somalia for 23 years, how would it be possible for Somalia to sit down with Somaliland and engineer a peaceful separation? I know that Somaliland would be represented by Ibrahim Egal. But who would be representing Somalia? Muse Sudi? Aideed? Qanyare? Dahir Aweys?

 

Would it even be taken seriously by the International Community, since the whole South of Somalia was in chaos?

 

Do you think before you speak?

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

You are being dishonest or you are just trying to tell a lie Somalia might not have a government That represents them all but it has and had the legitimacy of the international community not from the Somali people but from the west. So if these so called leaders from the year 2000 had an honest agreement with Somaliland we could have amicably gone our separate ways, but they choose to go another path try to boycott SL livestock export trade with Arab countries. 1991 to 2000 you would have a point but from 2000 to now Somalia had a government with no physical control over their territory but international legitimacy and that is all SL wants, to deal with them. Somalia was represented by sh sharif and now by xassan and before by Cabdilahi Yusuf and before that cabdiqasim

[DoctorKenney]

Xaaji, that's being dishonest. You know very well that legitimacy can only come from the people, and even though the West might give tacit support to the Regime in Mogadishu, it doesn't mean they're the REAL government of Somalia.

 

The same way how American support of Jonas Savimbi of Angola (even declaring him as the real President of Angola) didn't translate into reality. He was still a militia leader who controlled only a small portion of the country. And the civil war continued for 30 years in Angola. But he was never President. And the Americans supporting Savimbi meant nothing at the end of the day

 

And Somalia doesn't have a President, not a real one, so there'll be no real, legitimate negotiations with Somaliland until then. Qoslaaye can't even get the Puntlanders and Jubbalanders to cooperate with him, and he can't even secure his own country.

 

So what's with your dishonest critique here? Do you REALLY think that Aideed was gonna sit down with Ibrahim Egal in 1995 and work out some independence deal? Who does Aideed speak for, other than his own sub-clan? The same goes for all the other countless politicians and warlords we've seen in the last 23 years.

 

There is no government in Mogadishu, the last President we had was Siyaad. So stop with the anger about "non-recognition" and look at reality

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Doctor Somalia does not want Somaliland independence and recognition this is a fact so it doesn't matter who runs or who rules Somalia . The government has legitimacy it has a seat at the UN thus its a legitimate government Somaliland is dealing with the IC and the world wants Somalia and Somaliland to reach a settlement, and Somalia does not want to reach a settlement and even derail it as long as possible, this is their strategy. Caqli ma haysid adeer aan anigu waalnaado adiguna waalidayda sug makes no sense.

[DoctorKenney]

You're treating Somalia as if it's a single monolith.

 

There are factions within Somalia that support outright secession for Somaliland. Some support a loose decentralized Union with Somaliland, which has it's own unique structure of government and is autonomous. Some support Federalism, like the way Puntland is a Federal State.

 

Something being in our desires is one thing. And there are many Koonfurians who don't want to see Somalia become divided. But they're doing this for Nationalist reasons, not out of hatred. And it's not like they desire to keep Somaliland within the Union out of animosity or to suppress the Northerners.

 

Learn to distinguish these things

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

All in ALl the 2 will not meet eye to eye any time soon so why waste each other times

[DoctorKenney]

And BTW What's with CidanSultan's superiority-complex based ONLY on Somaliland's position in the Horn of Africa and it being a relatively safe place to visit and live?

 

Is he high? Does he really believe that Somalilanders are inherently superior to others and have more of an ability to build a regional superpower as opposed to the Koonfurians?

 

To have aspirations for separation is one thing. But this supremacist "stormfront" mentality is not gonna get him anywhere.

 

All this boasting and bragging and mocking, it reminds me of a certain individual who.....never mind

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

A good doses of superiority complex is good, to much is bad. The Russians have it the Iraqis have it , The Japanese have it gives you a certain strength to feel good of your self and to walk an extra few miles.

[Tallaabo]

I hate when a thread degenerates into something it was not intended to be but let me state some facts here. The kacaan government was initially a multi-clan national government but in its dying days it metamorphosed into a bunch or Sahal clan militia. Siyaad Barre like any other dictator in the world was expected to do every nasty thing possible to maintain his power, but the problem we have here is he was not alone in committing crimes nor did he use robots controlled from his bedroom to wage vicious wars. He was supported, financed, and defended to the end by the entire D block. The duriyad refugees fleeing from Burco and western Sanaag did not dare cross into the Sahal territories of Khaatumo and Maakhir, anyone who happened to do it was basically mopped and lynched to death. Those who wanted to escape into the south couldn't go through Laascaanood and other Sahal areas. My own cousin was killed by murderous camel herding khatumite nomad while he was in the bushes with his camels. If this was not a war waged by the Sahal clan to wipe out the duriyad, why were even the sahal nomads involved in hunting us down? Everyone also know how the great musician Mohamed Mooge was murdered in Awaare by a hateful cagdheer man who was part of the cagdheer campaign against the duriyad. When the SNM persuaded Caydiid to start a conflict in the south and Siyaad Barre was finally expelled from Mogadishu, he was sheltered and defended by the Sahal community who even regrouped and attemped to recapture Mogadishu for the tyrant. So in the last years of the kacaaan governemnt, the Sahal community were those responsible for all the war crimes committed by the heavily armed SNA which by then was exclusively controlled and mosted manned D block personnel.