After Crushing Alshabaab, the real war begins.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Doctor i base my opinion and future prospects on many factors because of the long tense history because of the turbulent past. And because the countries cannot ever agree on how to solve their issues. Somaliland lost allot not being recognized investment trade deals militarily contracts development. So Somalia has been nothing but a liability either to themselves and due to the fact they are not able to come to the negotiation table. And i never said there is a conspiracy it might be just neglection on the part of the Koonfurians but thats not cutting for SL , if the koonfurian elites are thinking about how to miss abuse funds and care little about the people they govern or supposed to govern in this case since you say they care little about reer bay and bakool. The Somaliland government cares for its people and will point out the faults of Mogadishu government for not acting responsible from a Somaliland perspective not Somalia. Doctor Somalia and Somaliland are located in a very volatile region. We know the conflict beween south sudan and Sudan. We know the long no war no peace between Eritrea and Ethiopia. Somalia and Somaliland will not be any different we have a border conflict with one of the bantustans of Somalia and ofcourse no real agreement with so called Mogadishu government. So how will it be different from north and south korea.

 

[DoctorKenney]

Xaaji, I've said it before. How can you blame a whole new generation of Koonfurians for the misguided and stupid actions of Abdiqasim, Ali Mahdi, Qoslaaye and others? If anything, Koonfurians hate Qoslaaye more than you do. Because his weak leadership and incompetence is dragging us back as a nation. And each year Somalia is in a Civil War, is a year in which we could have undergone development and caught up to the rest of Africa.

 

They care little about Reer Puntland or Reer Galmudug or Reer Bay&Bakool. They would be the first ones to sell out their country for their own personal benefit.

 

And if Somaliland cares for its people more than the Mogadishu regime does, then good for them. Perhaps this could set an example to the rest of Somalis. But you know very well that no real negotiations can take place until Somalia actually has a new generation of leaders, and a legitimate Government which has full control over the country. After that happens, the crimes of Abdiqasim and Qoslaaye would seem irrelevant. These men belong to a certain era, and in the future history books, they'll be seen as what they are; opportunists and incompetent leaders.

 

So then why would there be animosity and hatred between the 2 Somali States? There'd be no basis for it, as people could rightfully point out that Somalia hasn't really existed as a State since 1991. If anything, in the volatile region, there would be more of a reason for cooperation between the 2 Somali States.

[Mahiigaan]

I wonder if the rest of Somalia ( without Somaliland) can live together. Ask anybody from Kil5 or NFD if they would join Somalia if they cecede from Ethiopia & Kenya respectively. Their answer would definitely be a big NO!. Can anybody tell me why they better stay away from Somalia?.

[Miyir]

XX lol do you mean hostile Duriyada? ain't seeing Awdal or darwiish folks hostile to Somalia?

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

ALl of Somaliland no need to break SL in constituencies and regions all Somaliland is one and united with Somalia and all of SL withdrew from the union. The last unionist from awdal was professor samatar and we all know how he feels about the Koonfurians now

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

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I wonder if the rest of Somalia ( without Somaliland) can live together. Ask anybody from Kil5 or NFD if they would join Somalia if they cecede from Ethiopia & Kenya respectively. Their answer would definitely be a big NO!. Can anybody tell me why they better stay away from Somalia?.

 

 

O'gaden communities they dont even use the Somali name and wish to create an O'gaden state ONLF movement once they fight do you really think they fought xabashis and free themselves, if they will allow Mogadishu to lord over them. NFD wishes to remain part of Kenya and they are doing fine there. We Know Djibouti to

 

[DoctorKenney]

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O'gaden communities they dont even use the Somali name and wish to create an O'gaden state ONLF movement once they fight do you really think they fought xabashis and free themselves, if they will allow Mogadishu to lord over them. NFD wishes to remain part of Kenya and they are doing fine there. We Know Djibouti to

 

If the O'gaden State in Ethiopia frees itself from Ethiopian rule, and becomes it's own independent state, then that's all well and good. It's not necessary that they come under the rule of Mogadishu at all.

 

An independent land-locked Somali O'gaden State, with good relations with Somaliland/Somalia/Djibouti/etc.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Doctor the reason why i told you the Countries Somalia and Somaliland can never co exist and have brotherly relations and will have hostile relations like The 2 koreas. Is this reason

 

This supposed to be a Somali nationalist who wrote this article now read all the comments on Hiiraan online and all the bitter comments on both sides

 

http://www.hiiraan.com/op4/2014/may/54748/18_may_a_symbol_of_division_disunity_and_a_failed_state.aspx#sthash.EftQ8gnw.dpbs

[DoctorKenney]

Xaaji, there's a huge difference between the sentiments of the regular citizenry, and ACTUAL Government Policy!

 

The 2 Koreas have animosity towards each other due to actual government policy. You have the Communist Authoritarian North Koreans on 1 side and you have the capitalist democratic South Koreans on the other side. The governments directly clash, and are still technically at war.

 

But if the Somalilanders and Somalis dislike each other, as long as their is independence on both sides, and as long as the 2 Governments don't do anything to attempt to undermine each other, then after some time the hard feelings will dissipate. As long as the borders of the 2 countries are drawn clearly, and each country obeys the law, then it doesn't matter if the citizens of each country hates the other. Because people's feelings change with time, and it can't be compared to official government policy.

 

It can't be compared to our situation.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

They will always find reasons to fight thats just the way things are and there is already a border conflict in some areas part of Somaliland sovereignty claimed by the clan bantustan of Somalia. This can even intensify in the future

[DoctorKenney]

Perhaps, perhaps not. I would hope that it doesn't intensify.

 

But having the 2 Somali States hate each other and see each other as rivals, that might be the case for the first 20-30 years. But it could change, hopefully.

 

Perhaps in the meantime, this animosity could translate into a competition between the two states, where they'll compete on which one has a better standard of living, which country has a richer economy, which country has better cities, etc.