The evil coalition of the past and the President.

[galbeedi]

Dittore, I agree, if those four blocks came together the job could have been easier. Imagine, Xaaji and Ciidan Suldan; Mooge and Dittore, and Mlister & Somalirising all playing for the same team. It could have been a formidable team. The unfortunate thing is instead of playing with a same team, they are opposite teams tearing down one another.

 

Any way let us hope for better future. " hope is the best of things , in fact it is the best thing" ( this quote was from a movie called " the shawshank redemption". great movie.

[Dr_Osman]

Galbeedi, well it is a pretty well known fact the clans outside of that 4 bloc are surviving thru the chaos and disagreement of the four bloc. For example Sool is making alot of noise because of the disagreement between PL/SL, if their was an agreement, their would be no noise. Basically PL trying to score a point on SL and vice versa, this is how they survive based on that chaos and disagreement. If there was an agreement, it would simply be over.

 

HG are another classic example doing the same thing as the SOOL folks are doing benefiting itself from the chaos and disagreement between PL and Mogadishu main clan. It uses it in it's benefit for example it has abdiqaybdid and ximin iyo xeeb regions sit with GAAS and tell him something, and then it has it's own stooges such as the advisor of hassan sheikh tell him something else. It's the only way they can survive making sure those 2 key blocs don't come together.

 

The GEDO folks are another prime example their mere survival is also based on making sure PL/JL don't ever agree and it uses HAG especially the HG(an opposition in HAG and not much to lose judging by their towns) and tells them it's in their interest that PL and JL don't agree or else 'Gedo simply out of the picture'. HG take this an uses as a way to cause more friction among PL/Mogadishu by saying to mogadishu 'Sahal is uniting' since this will cause that disagreement and chaos for them to thrive also alongside gedo a basic mutual interest thing.

 

SW3 is another bloc to used by GEDO folks when the other bloc HAG are not responding. Notice (VP of SW6). It's in their interest they make sure PL/Baidoa never have an agreement and they use the 'sahal' card on them saying see 'PL/JL' uniting and some of your people live there. This gives gedo folks again more time and breathing space to survive. PL sometimes also utilize this tactic by showing the SW3 folks 'HAG' will take lower shabelle where most districts are yours. HAG sometimes also use the 'PL/JL' will take some of your districts there.

 

If we could get those 5 blocs to sit down mogadishu-baidoa-hargeisa-garowe-kismayo and just says lets share power among ourselves and each bloc make sure your opposition clans are under check and make sure no clans provide any support to anyone's opposition. Kismayo folks will make sure the Gedo folks stay in check. Baidoa folks will make sure their opposition among themselves stays in check from baydhabo to marka. Mogadishu will make sure anything from hamar to baraxlay stays in check. Garowe will make sure all Sahal in it'z jurisdiction is in check. SNM makes sure everything in it'z zones are in check.

 

Like I said the above is only workable if noone provides support for any of VETO bloc regions opposition and shut the door on them, this civil war would be over a long time ago. Any disagreements that comes up among the VETO regions talks with be among themselves only and no resorting to complicating the war further by fuelling other clans to get breathing space. I mean for god sakes even elbur folks are running around now, this aint in noone interest to complicate the power sharing already with more clans. If we cant agree just among those 5 blocs, how is it going to help by fuelling each other oppositions? it will just complicate it further and those oppositions will want to have power sharing deal. Nin aan talin jirin in la baro ma aha I think is a more appropriate term, no point teaching a clan who hasnt ruled before the concept of ruling or tommorow he will be apart of the bloc and it just gets messier. It's not in anyone of the 5 bloc interest in the long-term

 

But their always that one key ingredient 'disagreement between the blocs' is needed for these periphery clans to survive or else it's came over.

 

[Dr_Osman]

The way the federalism is going right now might help stop the opposition clans from needing to benefit from the disagreements of the blocs. For example JL has given VP to Gedo folks and most ministerials. PL has given VP and 12 ministerial/deputies to Sool. SL has given its VP to Awdal. SW3 most likely will give it's VP to Marko folks. Central Region will definitely be given to HG and most likely Hiran VP. This will then allow the mogadishu clan breathing space to move on and continue with govt services rather then worrying about opposition

[CidanSultan]

^^^

 

Galbeedi Somalia is dead Saxib. Mickey Mouse talk won't revive it. It's had so many presidents, so many conferences. 70 thousand foreign troops, Kenyan occupation in kismayo. Civil war in shebelede hoose, hag domination in mugdisho, pirates still wanting hegemony but can't even control 2.5 villages. Galkacyo with its divided line.

 

In all honousty you will be sitting here 20 years from now still debating the same thing. Alshabab is not defeated and the government wants to line its pockets. 23 years of statehood with no support from the rest of the world and we have managed to turn our republic from a devastated ruined state to a developing nation which runs effectively.

 

I don't know why you waste your time with pirates who want boli qaran and hegemony, hag with their Barbarism and also desire for hegemony and the countless people's of the south who themselves have given up on any Somalia future.

 

It's a dead horse. It's a hostile state. The laws of te jungle apply.

 

Somaliland will never surrender a single inch of territory as long as one person amongst us is alive. It's is the status qou, full recognition or death and we are not prepared to die.

 

You know that is the view of somalilanders. If we could defeat these people as a rebel force may God have mercy on them if full scale war breaks. We were ready to forgive once but not twice

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Detoore osman good read ur reasoning makes sense but somalis can never agree on anything. Thats the sad part what u said is true contested regions cause the problems. But somalis can never compramise.