THe latest news about Somaliland and Puntland.

[Dr_Osman]

Ciidan, your terrorist ass is easy to defeat, if colonial borders mattered in recognition, why is south sudan recognized? they shared the same colonial borders with sudan under the british. Colonial borders argument won't wash for recognition.

 

As for Xaaji as far as ali khalif and this garad jamac, their clans were always known to be somaliland, you haven't really moved from the same position at all. It's the same JS and BS who are against a certain clan inside khatumo taking the clan authority. It's not even anything against Puntland. The fact of the matter is that garaad will be decrowned, he will be a garad for noone since the ppl reject him and as for ssc politicians dee wa nin shaq tagay no different to your clan in hamar.

 

99% of the ssc garads are Puntland according to the bo'ame communique, when the IC gets involced they simply will speak to the odeys not politicians as seen in baydhabo creation and kismayo creation, its all isimo led. Their opinion will be asked and 99% will ssy PL at the end of the day, and you will realize how you wasted so mich money in Sool while we laugh.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Detoore Puntland holds no territory inside Somaliland all the garaad clans are behind SL and some are with Khatumo , but khatumo to serves sl interest in the region, you cant dethrone an elder he is not a politician u get it through the line of dhalasho wa dhaxal awoow. Puntland has lost all of it and they keep on losing either territory or support, Axmed karaash town is under Somaliland the same as holhol, and Taleex is surrounded by SL troops and its by default Somaliland while khatumo is inside the town, where is garowe in all of this detoore why dont you admit that Puntland has lost to SL.

[Dr_Osman]

Your facing blows xunjuf, not only have I crushed your arguments of colonial borders by showing you if colonial borders mattered south sudan wouldn't be indepedent and south yemen wouldn't be told to stay in yemen under federation. Colonial borders has no place today, it has no legal effect on us, only legal effects in Somalia is the current constitution which clearly state 1991 borders and state not 1960 borders as you been arguing lately about this mogadishu and hargeisa pact of south and north rule. The constitution is totally in your way for such ambitious project.

 

I have also provided valid rebuttals to your claims on SSC on grounds of marriage, if that will work then lets say I marry an Isaaq does that mean I can claim their land? this wont go far for somaliland also, the international community will laugh and say to somaliland if you marry an american will you claim america too thru marital ties. I would urgently drop this argument, it shows your unintelligent.

 

Those two are only your claims to SSC, yet you even try to deride Puntland claim by saying it's tribal, yes tribe is one factor of our claim since somalia had a civil war based on tribe not colonies. Tribe is workable solution because Puntland doesn't claim to be national govt, we are a regional govt, who else lives in the region but tribes? are you saying dhusomareeb cant have local administration because its based on tribe? how else can dhusomareeb form an administration if it isnt on tribe since tribes live there. Your trying to argue the line tribe cannot be a nation, we totally agree we never claimed to be nation you did sxb based on clan. You mix your arguements to make no sense regarding the role of tribe in regional sense and national sense. Waa jahwareersan tahay thats why.

 

The other argument i've heard from somaliland is why doesn't puntland claim jigjigga because jigjigga has international borders, if thry wish to exercise their right under ethiopia constitution for secession then sure. And also Puntland is based on somalia constitution of 18 regions, jigjiga isn't in this. Jigjiga plays a role for us how it is now, they've been told to manage somalia affairs and be advisor on somalia matters to ethiopia and enpower PL and JL in somalia. We already have a gameplan set, why u think hamar and hargeisa is getting closer lately? they know about this devastating plan and what effect it will have on them.

 

Yet u guys have yet to provide any response to puntland claims on ssc based on tribe, geographhical proximity, economic link, and shared political vision. Lets not forget they both came freely together thru their isimo in 98 and reiterated that the other day in their bo'ame comminque just te other day.

 

Pls come up with good reasoning that can stump me, because you guys are like a walk in the park.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

The legality of Somaliland borders were acknowledged by both the AU and the former OAU and its boundaries are enshrined in every African union treaties that the borders of Africa should remain as they were at the time of independence. Somaliland sovereignty is enforced by its troops on the ground controlling the Land. South Sudan and Sudan case is different South sudan was given a referendum on Independence if the so initial origin country that is sudan supports the break up of its republic than there is no international law that can keep them together.

 

Somalia and Somaliland act of union was never ratified Somalia and Somaliland made a union the union is even acknowledged by ur leaders. Second you keep talking about the Somali constitution , the Somali constitution is still in transition it needs to be adopted and approved by parliament and a referendum needs to be held to adopt the constitution your government in Mogadishu will testify on that even Nickolas kay will say the same to you on that.

 

The Middle clan is not claiming Laascanood and boocame , not because of clan but because of citizenship countrymen and having the same nationality history traditions and so on. The same way u share a country with your Galmudug cousins. And ofcourse i never said Puntland is a nation a small clan in the north of Somalia cannot be a nation i totally agree detoore...

[Peace Action]

Please stop hijacking the thread and naga daaya faanka Somali ismadhaanto, please.

 

It seems that Puntland is denying that there is any meeting between Somaliland and Puntland regarding SSC land. The statement from Garowe says that Abdiweli Gas was invited to participate in a security conference in Ethiopia and he was representing Somalia.

 

It is clear that Silaayo administration has no clear strategy on the eastern front. I think they are desperate to talk to Puntland after their debacle in Taleex and Las Qoray. In the meantime, Puntland is busy working behind the scenes with SSC peacefully to restore Puntland unity.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Peace action the garowe administration shot themselves in the foot when they made karaash and biindhe ministers in their government. Remember in 2013 in November karaash and his militia along with PL militia massacred people in taleex. Somaliland is not in talks with Garowe there is nothing to talk about , Somaliland prefers to talk to galaydh and his group instead of talking to cabdi cawar where is cabdi cawar in the sool region?

[Peace Action]

Xaaji Xayran SSC have the largest share in the new Puntland admin and the Garaad Clan now occupies the VP. Abdiweli Gas appoints people and Silaanyo attacks Taleex and occupies it and pays provocative visit to Las Qoray. With this strategy you have alienated Khaatumo and Glaydh already insulted Somaliland harshly about Taleex incident so what are you smoking.

 

 

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

There is no point biindhe and karaash were the enemies of khatumo and sold Khatumo out to garowe. Galaydh said that he does not mind Somaliland aslong as the POWS are released., The VP is not important its a symbolic position ina ali shire was vp to. Puntland is no where to be seen in the sool region there is a small khatumo faction in some parts of the eastern taleex district there is no Puntland whats so ever. SL has never alienated any group with in SL that the door is always open for reconciliation and unity.

 

Somaliland is winning eventually cali dacuun is back Garad jamac is back the finance minister of khatumo is now with SL and the governor of taleex is leading the SL army in eastern sool.. Somaliland has won it has not been in a better position ever. Siilaanyo is genius and great strategist regarding the eastern regions of SL. last month he took over karin dabayl weyn the entire south eastern sool region. He send delegation to boocame and a mayor there. His army surrounded Taleex and made a permanent military settlement in Holhol, Somaliland has adopted the right tactics in the region

[Dr_Osman]

Xaji, you made no sense whatsoever on the african union colonial borders, because south sudan would've been rejected if that clause was in effect, you cant say that the african union supports colonial borders and at the same time lets south sudan break that clause. Again wa jahwareersan tahay. You failed to answer south yemen also.

 

As for population figures, they have been provided through a scholary journal which is peer revied based one hundreds of evidences, your now making desperate claims becsuse you have no data to suggest otherwise. Sorry population estimates based one one techniqye of undp of UN growth rates formula won't cut the mustard when not only was that accountrd for in the scholary journal but more data was provided such as density maps, satellitr imagery, population estimates from various sources including undp, and comparisons with known censored populated areas of kenya. Their is no way around this, its frickin peer reviewed and has tons of evidence. 300k is your population as the more populated areas in the north are ssc zones. Your area is empty. We are roughly 6 times your clan size and twice the zie of northern regions all clans combined.

 

As far as your claim of diversity. PL has diversity too, their are dir, madhiban,rahanwayne, oromos, tanzanians, hadrami arabs. Way more diverse then Somaliland, yet we don't claim to be a nation but you who is 6 times smaller do won't cut the mustard.

 

Besides even if you argue the claim od diversity, they are all still somali subclans with one ethnicity, if you could become indepedent then so can oromos who are the same ethnic level as somalis. Heck even zulus will claim nationhood and every single tribal group in africa. Djibouti couldn't even be a nation on the premise of snm,issa, and awdal folks in their territory, they needed afars so now its seen as two ethnic groups forming a nation.

 

As far as Puntland presence we are in all sanaag up to erigavo,buhodle and 30 km outside of las anod, who are you kidding? you think were going to cause casualties in our take over, never sxb. It will be done peacefully without one blood dropping, but blood will drop in burco as we don't care then.

 

You won't win SSC based on SNM your simply militarily weaker, your fricking smaller clan, how can you be militarily capable to handle 1/3 of somalia at your doorsteps? you simply cant thats why you need the ssc folks since you know that way they form as a shield for you from our wrath because we dont want to spill our own blood over a jaad addict 300k terrorist. Your not smater then us bro, like I said we been in politics 300 years, you joined recently. your still wet under the ear you goon.

 

Bow down to Puntland the powerful govt that made you begg for photo opportunity at tana while you were told to shoo away after as your not a guest, we will bring you down below galmudug level and make you look pathetic infront of the world. Say it Xaaji via migiurtinia taking his known role in world stage.

 

Reports have come in from tana conference, african leaders all loved gaas speech, they seem as a partner they can work with, a mature partner who has the powerbase required to be a regional player. Somaliland is playing in galgala, khatumo, their in the wilderness and we know it and feel superior

[Peace Action]

Xaaji Xayraan Define what winning means to you? You can believe whatever you want but you are too emotional when discussing Somaliland. Ali Khalif insulted your clan and you still hope he changes his mind. Garaad Jamac will not change the dynamics and it has been few years since Xaabsade defected to Somaliland and handed Las Anod. Even NG thought Somaliland has crossed the ribicon and recognition is in the corner.

 

The mistake of the fighting within sub sub clan in Taleex was a mistake and Puntland wisely rejected Faroole. Abdiweli Gas hands are clean while Silaanyo is busy showing how aggressive and warmonger Somaliland is.

 

What happened to your Khaatumo joinging Somaliland. It has been over a year and things are getting worse for Somaliand standing in Sool and Sanaag. When you try to use force without any strategy, the result will be a set back. Can you tell me why Silaanyo attacked Taleex. captured it and then left?

 

The problem for Somaliland it that without SSC, they will have no hope of becoming a recognized country. And with the existence of Puntland, forget about recognition.

 

A better strategy for Somaliland will be to work for united Somalia as an important federal region and demand their fair share provided all clans in the region agree to it.

[Dr_Osman]

Peace, somaliland has actually helped us in a way raise our profile on the war on terror, were seen as a region that plays a stabilizing role in Somalia and at the same time fighting somaliland terrorists in galgala, sida loo badelay siyasad ma illa aragta? Now the world will simply fund Puntland security sector further as they are seen as the only genuine partner in the north since somaliland is seen as basically terrorists, all their business community has been implicated like telesom and their govt official. So their indirectly building our military apparatus and giving us a valid excuse to continue getting more sophisticated weaponry in our fight against shabab. We got a good deal for our marines against war on piracy imagine the tools we going to get on the war on terror, the sky is the limit.

 

Their is no way Somaliland is going to be recognized not only for its international implications of every tribe in afrca becoming a natiin but its domestic implications, can you imagine sool and sanaag being left by Puntland to join a new country in somaliland, wa riyo iyo dhalanteeda. It will cause a major war between PL and SL and create a new conflict that simply never was there in somali civil war, we never fought about which colony clans were in, if we did, it would be so easy to fix. The world knows this, the somalis kmow this, its just pipe dreams by somaliland really. At times I don't think their genuinely serious because knowing all what I stated only an idiot thinks something will come out of somaliland being indepedent. Even with sool and sanaag noone will recognize them, it will mean a wsr with PL, the guy talking at the tana conference you think they wanna see him going to war, the stakes would be to high then. Thats why its better how it is now, somaliland acting like a nation while isolated, and somalia rising and embassies opening everyday to show their support. Somaliland actions have been a blessings in disguise, without terrorists you think the world would get involved in somalis? you need to look at it from that perspective. With somaliland shababist running around, the sfg would be neglected in the world, so they made the profile rise for somalia also because if the international community sits by then somalia will be an alqaeda base and they dont want that.

 

So their is some good thats come out of this, its raised somalia image and made it strategical importance issue now for the west, hence the recognition of the govt, hence hamar massive investment, hence Pl at tana conference. Its worked totally the other way around as what somaliland intended

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Facts on the ground Somaliland controls the Land the Pirates are mere bystanders , Galaydh is doing all he can to make sure his clan are disconnected from the garowe clan enclave and he is doing a great job he will eventually jump the boat Galaydh is a shrewd politician and he knows what is at stake, its not about him its about where he is leading the caravan.

 

 

Siilaanyo is a political genius to from strategic point of view , Garaad jamac hails from Holhol thats where his clan hails from and Laascanood ,the garaad is not a small person he was one of the co founders of Khatumo.

 

On your cabdi cawar point he made a mistake when he made karaash minister karaash is hated by the indhasheel group of khatumo and garaad jamac garad ali, the other garaad jama,you rewarded them cabdi cawar has no clue what he is doing if you ask me, since cabdi cawar is irrelevant in the whole political rivalry between the SL government and the Khatumo group.

 

Somaliland strategy is much better and much more fruitful in the long run

holhol to be a permanent military base for SL

Allow khatumo to be a buffer zone between SL and the garowe admin

Maintain normal relations with Mogadishu empower Mogadishu

Slowly move into more territories in the eastern sool region.

 

 

What i mean by winning is simple

 

since siilaanyos admin

Somaliland took Xudun karin dabaylweyn widhwidh holhol and sieged taleex, almost all towns in eastern sool are under Somaliland i consider this a major win. dont you

 

Siilaanyo made a historic trip to laasqoray in which the puntland admin responded with argagax.

 

Siilaanyo brought anti SL groups such as prof samaatar

Garaad jamac to the fold

 

He established normal relations with Mogadishu and an ongoing talks with them

 

Siilaanyo brought the ssc leaders xaglatoosiye to Hargeysa

 

Cali dacuun the most anti SL person ever is now in hargeisa

 

 

Siilaanyos strategy works the past 3 years is the result.

 

 

 

 

[Peace Action]

Xaaji Xayraan did you ever worked for the Kacaan, you sound like guulwade for Siilaanyo. Your uncle has huge problems in Somaliland proper having alienated important duriyad clans let alone pacify Sool and Sanaag. It is pointless to argue with you because you are not realistic on what is possible and what is impossible. What is possible is to use good administration to woe SSC, what is not possible is to use military might to essentially bring people who are hostile to your side knowing that SSC are against Somali dismemberment.

 

I am done arguing with if you can not even acknowledge that Siilaanyo made blunder to visit Las Qoray and capture Taleex thus alienating Khaatumo & Makhirs. Your uncle has succeeded in pushing Khaatumo toward Puntland as the upcoming peace conference between Puntland and Khaatumo Garaads will show. In addition, Ali Khalif is too smart to side with Somaliland, it is political suicide for someone who has ambitions of higher office in Somalia.

 

Abdiweli Gas is proving to be real statesman and unlike Faroole he is more diplomatic and has expertise in conflict resolution where he practiced as consultant to New York State. As he stated his objective is to unite Puntlanders and that is the real reason why Siilaanyo is making unforced errors because as former SNM gorilla fighter that is all he knows.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

On the contrary Siilaanyo made sure more Khatumo ministers governors and garaads have joined SL, this is a strategy that works as it seems Siilaanyo did not alienate any one Siilaanyo did not kill a single bird in Taleex he just laid a siege on the city and forced the Khatumo militia to vacate the city and force them not to hold a conference that is against the interest of SL. But the garowe admin went there and killed over 13 people in taleex last year. Abdiweli made a huge mistake when he made karaash and biindhe ministers ask the khatumites how they feel about that. Indhasheel calls these people dambilayaal. Siilaanyo has the wider support of the Somaliland public and certainly they all support his strategy on how to close the border with Somalia. I am no guulwade for the current elites but may aim is more than who leads SL its about the end goal siilaanyo serves SL interest the same way rayaale did and Cigaal did every one contributes to the country. Siilaanyo so far has gained more ground more political leverage and made sure all of SL enemies are either on the run or in exile.

 

[burahadeer]

ooooh puntlanders foreva trying to be important or relevant where there's none.