Britain tells rogue dictator wannabe Siilanyo to stop creating instability

[DoctorKenney]

Cidan, fine. You believe that uniting with the Somalis down South in 1960 was a bad idea. I'm not arguing with you there, so there's no use in bringing that up.

 

And Somalia doesn't "exist today" due to Anglo-Italian treaties. What kind of B.S. are you peddling on this forum? We've existed for centuries before the Europeans ever set foot on our land.

 

In fact, we Somalis would have been far better off if the Europeans never came. Yeah sure, there probably would have been several mini Somali states, but it would have been better than having our lands administered by the British and then given to the Kenyans and Ethiopians to manage (NFD and Somali Galbeed). And there might have arose a genuine confederation amongst like-minded Somalis, based on mutual understanding and shared values.

 

If you want to build your own independent State, then why do you feel the need to drag others with you? Others who might not share your separatist views, based simply on British-drawn colonial borders?

 

If "British Somaliland" also consisted of Nugaal and Bari, would you insist on taking that land as well? Where is the logic here?

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

^^ It was not only a bad idea it was a catastrophe i have never seen a Union that would cause the entire collapse of both Somalia and Somaliland literately. When the Union came to existence Somalilanders brought allot of culture and traditions to Somalia of Nomadic habbits and culture to Mogadishu. While the southerners identified with their regions and were highly urbanized and predominately Farmers. Somalilanders felt dominated and believed they have lost and the southern and northern union was one sided, and the Southerners inherited from the Somalilanders the art of aba ablayn which led to their entire collapse , because Koonfurians have no conflict resolution mechanism. Political clanism became like toxic to them they concocted several formulas and violla u have 4.5 and Tribal federalism when the southerners were very united before.

 

Somali folks existed yes before colonialism but saying Somali , u are not talking about a nation state a republic, there was never a unified republic before Colonialism nor was there a Somali Emperor who lorded over all Somalis. The Somaliland border is between the Garaad clan and the sssdf clan 5 km from Garowe. And historically the Garaad clan always had their separate chieftain separate from ssdf clan the Garaad clan was never part of the Maguartiania sultanate and during Colonialism it also had zero interaction with the Maguratnia sultanate, and even till this today how come the Garaad clan cant be part of the puntland admin if the Boundaries are artificial how come they either part of SL or want their separate entity called Khatumo. Somalia border with Kenya is a colonial one the Somaliland Somalia border is a colonial one the Somaliland Ethiopia border is a colonial one the Somaliland and Djibouti border is a colonial one.

 

I think things happen for a reason Emperor Haile selassie annexed the Hawd and reserve area and Somalilanders united with Somalia to get that territory back and believed only a strong unified Somali republic can get that territory back. But Emperor Haile selassie saved the day in reality when the Somalilanders and General Muhammad Siad bare were fighting the Somalilanders found save heaven in Hawd Ethiopia the people would have been perished if Hawd was part of Somaliland at that time its not smart to put all your eggs in one basket. And today when the Civil war broke away in Somalia Somalis of Somalia fled to Kenya and found safe heaven there. Doctor do you want Somaliland to claim Nugaal and Bari fair enough if you want that than support Somaliland independence bid and we can annex atleast half of the Pirates territory and the Garaad clan reign over them.

[DoctorKenney]

Xaaji, again.....I'm not here to argue that the Union in 1960 was a disaster.

 

And I know that Somalia was never a united political entity, ever. Somalia was always populated by several autonomous kingdoms and administrations.

 

I'm just saying, that if the people of Waqooyi, Awdal, and Toghdeer want to form their own separate Republic, then that's fine. But what's with this obsessive interest the Reer Waqooyi have over Sanaag and Sool? Why don't they have this obsessive interest over...Nugaal for example? What's so special about Sool and Sanaag? And why do they feel the relentless need to rule over them, even if it's against Reer Sanaag's interests? Is it due to the colonial British borders?

 

Wouldn't it be better for negotiations to arise between Puntland, Somaliland, and Reer Sanaag/Sool so we could draw the borders in a way that can satisfy both parties? And avoid conflict? Because this conflict is extremely unnecessary and instead of focusing on development, both governments are posturing and diverting their energies to this unnecessary war.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Who are reer sool and sanaag does sanaag belong to one clan and sool one clan or are there multiply SL clans living there together, and who speaks for the people who is forcing who ? where do you see the force SL is a highly democratic nation , nothing is by force and its a good will.

 

 

Are you saying these people in sanaag are forced

 

Ceerigaabo Sanaag

 

 

Badhan sanaag

 

This obessesion and people being forced is neither here or there adeer

 

 

Doctor are you a puntland supporter you said you are from Laascanood you dont support Khatumo?

 

You are asking the wrong questions why dont Somaliland claims Djibouti or Southern Yemen

 

By the way who speaks for the regions the politicians the elders. Why Should Somaliland change its borders when the people are happy with their situation. Have u seen Congo changing its borders when there are 250 different ethnic groups there. When Somaliland is the most homogeneous country in the African continent. By the way who said anything about ruling Somaliland is not a monarchistic Dynasty centered in Hargeisa its a democracy that every Somaliland citizens is equal to the law and the constitution and can rule the county if elected by the people. Somaliland does not have the 4.5 racist formula. The people of man one vote elected their leaders.

[DoctorKenney]

Xaaji there's no doubt that many people in Sool/Sanaag support the Somaliland Administration. But there's also a great many Reer Sool/Sanaag who would rather be part of a Federal Somalia. So why choose one over the other?

 

And showing a few happy videos of the people isn't going to change the facts on the ground.

 

Again...

 

Wouldn’t it be better for negotiations to arise between Puntland, Somaliland, and Reer Sanaag/Sool so we could draw the borders in a way that can satisfy both parties? And avoid conflict? Because this conflict is extremely unnecessary and instead of focusing on development, both governments are posturing and diverting their energies to this unnecessary war.

 

Nobody wants to see hostilities between Somalis.

[SomaliaRising]

The SNM crooks worship the white man so much that if the white british man tells them to dance they start dancing!

 

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Somaliland is not going to give its Land to Puntland or Somalia because there are some who claim the Land on Tribal reasons , if thats the case why doesnt Puntland claim parts wardheer and negotiates with Ethiopia on wardheer, and lets see if Ethiopias Somali region cedes territories to Puntland. Puntland should stop claiming Somaliland no one in sool wants Puntland some want more autonomy such as khatumo the rest are fully under Somaliland but you did not answer my question you are from laacanood as you claim dont you support Khatumo dont you want the talks be between Khatumo and Somaliland , where is Puntland in all of this or do you support Puntland???

[DoctorKenney]

Xaaji, of course I would want talks between Khaatumo and Somaliland. That would be the best solution.

 

But I don't want to sound like some of the arrogant Diaspora folks who feel like they should impose their will on Somalia. I'm living in America, so even though I come from Lascaanood, I really have no right to tell them what to do. It really is up to the folks who live on the ground. I'm advocating for those people. The people who are actually IN Somalia, not the arrogant diaspora folks who sit in air-conditioned offices in London and Toronto....talking about "Khaatumo this" or "Somaliland that."

 

Those people serve no benefit and do far more damage than good.