Why Does Somaliland Want New Deal

[Dr_Osman]

This has quite bothered me for a while, why does somaliland want to be apart of the new deal? this is for somalia regardless of special arrangement because that special arrangement is still designated under Somalia. Somaliland should boycott the new deal and give your share to Puntland, waan kula dhuqaya bahasha xaq ma aha, in laga yeelo ma ahayn. Somaliland please leave the new deal, Untill mogadishu and hargeisa sort out their issues, why dont u guys just go back to how you were and not interfering in somalia? they r trying to get all somalia airspace now, they always sitting in the centrall bank, are we guys blind? cant you see what their doing? Wallahi somaliland was better when they just stayed out of somalia.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

This is AID for the former defunct Somali republic if the Europeans want to give aid and some support to SL and as long as it does not jeopardize, Somaliland status we dont see why this is a problem, its money and fundings and we can use that The air space control will have its management control head quarter in Hargeisa , as agreed on by both somalia and somaliland and the 2 sides will share the revenue. Now aslong as we have the SDC and the SDF somaliland development fund and the somaliland development corporations will use those institutes to reach out to the International community while Political recognition is pending. And ofcourse SL can attrack investors like bollore and oil firms and logistic firms, with out even being recognized just using the SDC. The special arrangement for SL is good for Somaliland because SL has a special status in the region. Now Xamar has nothing over SL. when the airspace control office is in Hargeisa and the 2 share the revenues side by side. This is good for SL

In the eyes of the world Somalia republic is controlling its airspace but in reality Somalia and Somaliland are jointly controlling the airspace from hargeisa the capital of the Somaliland republic.

 

[Dr_Osman]

Haji be honest u havent contributed anything to somalia, puntland did the hard yards and you just want to get the rewards, their needs to be a tough shurud on somaliland regarding aid money, this idea if i wont get my hand dirty but will double dip on important sources of revenue of somalia like airspace, central bank,new deal and basically all the other aid is unwarranted and can result in conflict.

 

A better solutionn for somaliland is to wait till somalia is sorted out and a political settlement is reached with the north rather then running for the money because thats what ur doing and your getting everything for free without offering anything in return this is a recipe for disaster, dont you see this? its bound to explode soon. These talks in turkey without puntland present is like fairies talking, sool and sanag unionist must be on the table as this affect them not that moryan h.g interior minist. Karash and ilkajir will be nominated by puntland to attend those talks once garowe and hamar reach an agreement believe me it will be a qodob the agreement. You cant refuse which sidensits on the somalia table since somaliland views somalia as a whole, we going to beat you in this madness of yours and constant taking advantage of somalia thru hag extremists to be on the discussiin table. We will have the last laugh xunjuf, i guarantee u that

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Somaliland will talk to the xamar government the SFG it has no interest in talking to Puntland and cabdi cawar is not as shrewed as faroole and does not understand what is at stake he is a novice. Puntland is just a peaceful region of Somalia, , the international community said that somaliland and the Somalia govt should talk. Somaliland just gets aid they deserve why should they wait the world does not stand still just because Somalia is a mess does not mean Somaliland cannot develop just because SL is not recognized does not mean SL cannot develop. SL is protecting its economic and political interest, thats all detoore if the pirates want to stay with Mogadishu fine and share what ever the xamar boys get but SL will not wait for the Koonfurians, it will go against all odds. the airspace was the most important now we get aid, somalia gets aid , we get our special arraignment aid, the talks are good but its a process the xamar government does not want to haste things but slowly SL will get its interest

[Dr_Osman]

Your talking to the sfg is not my bizness but when your speaking about my regions, then this is my business and puntland representives will be at the table under the somalia commitee not puntland commitee, you cant complain because you cant select the ppl somalia brings to the discussion on the sfg side, we will name hardcore puntlanders one from sool karash and one from sanaag possibly speaker of puntland. You will not have the last laugh, you will be destroyed by puntland and gaas will certainly make sure this is a qodib of any agreement reached between puntland and the sfg. You will be humiliated by the puntlanders wearing the sfg shati destroying your credibility infront of turkey naming your ethnic cleansing on the people of sool, sanag, awdal since 91, showing the turks u dont really care about what happened in 88 becuz the sfg apolgized and siyad aint here today so if that was the issue you would be in somalia now, notice how they talked about that issue first 88 cuz its easy discussion and they know your issues is much deeper then that and left the hard issues for last. Be prepared for the puntland strike weve never been defeated in siyasada. its 0 losses and alot of amassed political experience after all we did create syl under yasin sharmarke and brought hags in it, we did the flag, we brought federalism like we did syl, and we wrote the constitution. While you were begging for aqoonsi we were making things happen

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Detoore gone are those days when the pirates had influance in mogadishu hassan sheikh has no interest to play games with the pirates. There is no one that can play hard ball with him. Faroole is gone and cabdi cawar has no clue whats going on he visited Xamar few weeks after he was selected. He has pressure not to concede anything the Turks are mere facilitators of the talks no one is trying to impress them what we are working on is the end goal, the final stage of the talks. I admit back in the days during cabdilahi Yusuf , and even during farooles era Puntland had a big voice, this voice is in decline now. Damuljadid and Mogadishu elites understand that they dont need to listen to the big mouth of the pirates. Something we have been saying the past 22 years.

There is nothing karaash can do let karaash step foot in taleex and than we will know let cabdi cawar step foot in eastern Sanaag. Detoore SL has this one in the pocket. Mogadishu elites are no longer the same they are slowly understanding how to play things in their own favor. There is nothing that u can offer them really. They get the aid the fundings the support , there is no need for them to play your games.

[Adnan1508736697]

Face it Somaliland has out witted you puntland

[Dr_Osman]

Puntland voice can be considered weaker yes, its quite evident that gaas is begging for talks, hassan aint replying, maybe its due to the sfg being recognized or puntland letting things continue as they are and not be deemed spoilers or a combination of both. Puntland is still a very important region, the foreign delegations that visit is a testimony to this, infact somaliland is declining to puntland in that aspect regarding internatiinal profile, have you seen such a big delegation come to somaliland like the one who came to garowe prison opening? maybe at election time but never in normal time.

 

Puntland has got its cards close, we got badiyow, geedi, abdiqaybdid, ximin iyo xeeb, heavyweights if we endorse their party to take control of hamar and serve our interests we can make hag clash and return to warlordism and have their port shutdown while bosaso thrives. The other thing is, havent you seen how all the mamuls are mimicking puntland flag? they all want the endorsement. Lastly if worst get to worse we can use our hag alliance combined with our jubba alliance and limit the sfg to mogadishu. Sxb puntland has a big chunk of territory and coastline same with jubbaland, the nation would never be the same if we striked the head of hassan. Puntland might not be as strong as it once was but we can still throw a lethal cocktail together and shake the sfg up, infact the special advisor to nicholas cage is nuradin diriye is from puntland and we can tell him to whisper in nicks ear, why u think somaliland banned unsom, they had no issues when it was mahiga at the helm and his wife..tribal sickness of the drugged induced terrorist triangle.

 

Puntland maybe down but its not out, never rule the big boys of the east out, it will be to your owwn detriment.

[SomaliaRising]

Well Osman because snm traitors finally realized that ictiraaf aint coming so they fully embraced Federalism. It is good news that they are part of Soomaaliya Republic.

Xaaji Habaar Xun admits on this thread that maamulka Soomaalidiidka accepts aids under Soomaaliya Republic. He gave up all his false desires on false agenda.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Detoore you are missing a very crucial point the HAG wars between the Habar ganster clan and the Unuka clan the Unuka clan single handily won the war. Qeybiya xukuma now Galmudug and ximan xeeb and ASWJ are all in the decline, they all face Mogadishu and pledge allegiance to Mogadishu. Detoore Puntland elites the old generation such as Faroole Cabdilahi Yusuf cadde muse they knew how to play hard ball under stood the political psychology of the Mogadishu elites. Cabdi cawar has no clue how to deal with Xassan sheikh and the damul jadiid club, Faroole always said Puntland is the Mother of Somalia and Mogadishu is only the symbolic capital of Somalia. Jubba state cannot form a real threat to the Mogadishu government the Kenyans can only provide security they want to do more but they need to respect the addis ababa agreement singed by the government SFG and Jubba admin mediated by Minister tedros adhanom of Ethiopia. I never said Puntland is out but it cant put up a fight against Mogadishu the capital is Mogadishu hassan sheikh is gaining momentum. Somaliland is playing excellent politics a dialogue process with Somalia and at the same time gaining allot while the final agreement awaits us. Detoore we are not on the same boat you are fighting for federalism and autonomy , Somaliland said we are out long time ago, so we do not care about having seats in xammar or a prime minister or having influence in xamar. But Garowe is struggling with keeping up remember Mogadishu has gedo in their pocket to

[Dr_Osman]

Xaaji, you need to remember the biggest casualty in a war for mogadishu will always be mogadishu not puntland or jubbaland because the south is our secondary home not our primary home like hag. If mogadishu sends proxies to kismayo and gedo and jubbaland is destroyed we lose our secondary base but we will retailate and send in our proxies of galmudug,ximin iyo xeeb,geedi led by baadiyow to destroy mogadishu. The end result will be vastly different, the kismayo boys can go to jigjigga their primary base which is functioning and developing at a fast rate, while the puntland boys can return to their primary base in the east which is also developing and has an active port. Where will hag go? you see what i mean, mogadishu is their HQ and lifeline beyond it they have nothing else. Their is a big reason why puntland is spreading out it's development to garowe and bosaso. It's a good tactic because we keep our financial heart separate from our politics, if garowe is destroyed, we can regroup in bosaso and vice versa, were not keeping our eggs in one basket and jubbaland has taken this approach also by centering its political capital at bu'ale and its financial capital at kismayo. Our disaster reocovery if a war ever happens will be alot quicker to recover from then hamar or hargeisa since they put it all in one basket, if destroyed they lose it all just like 91, seems like they havent learned much from the civil war.

 

Basically the end results of a war between the clans is not a good situation for anyone but its alot more devastating for the one who loses his lifeline compared to someone else who's lifeline is far away from the trouble zone.

 

As for hargeisa not wanting hamar, thats a good policy which I fully support, i only wish they didnt want that stupid aid in the name of somalia, it does more harm for your political agenda then any good, boycot the new deal and give your portions to somalia. In all honesty my friend somaliland lost its recognition battle a long time ago when it befriended ethiopia which is against their policy, in politics its silly to befriend someone that is against your politics. For example Puntland boycotted jabuti and cairo conference because it wasnt done through our policy federalism, it was a pure centralist project. Their no point in us befriending states not supportung our program. Once jabuti, egypt, kenya all accepted my program now I have good relationship with them. If Ethiopia today said, I will recognize somaliland or call for centralism in somalia, do you honestly think puntland would have ties with Ethiopia? of course not and they know that were serious about our policies, whereas they know you guys are not because your still friends with them while they promote a federalist agenda for somalia which includes you.

 

Xaaji it shows how your politics is a joke, you have no issues going to addis which has the same policies as mogadishu for somalia, yet refuse to go to mogadishu as if the two have different policies. Sxb your leaders are clowns and not serious about recognition, if they were they would cut all ties with any nation that doesnt respect it wishes not just mogadishu. Politics isnt about tribe sxb, its about policies. By boycotting puntland or mogadishu is purely on tribal grounds not a policy ground and this is what matters policies because whoever wins there won the war.You guys are what a wonderful young man said in mogadishu dad jahwareersan. a confused lot.

 

 

[Dr_Osman]

Xaaji you really think hargeisa cant ask ethiopia to support a president of somalia that calls for the dismemberment of somalia? you really are naive sxb, waa inaad garata waad ku fashilantay siyasada and change it if you are serious about recognition, but im sure the somaliland politicians are not because their policies says one thing while their warsaxafadeed says another thing. In all honesty the recognition project is a way to keep the peace of the snm nothing more nothing less but ppl like you actually take to the streets and forums with it, as farole once said in a speech to the minnesota diaspora,banoni ayaa loo turay shicibkas and their chasing it being distracted by it while your leaders enjoy federal autonomy.

 

Your a long way away from catching up with the puntland who has mastered politics for 300 years, dad hada soo baxay ba tahay soo jireenki ma tihid wana ceeb dad hada soo baxay inay la tartarman dad siyasada soo jireen ka ahaa.

[Tallaabo]

XX and Dr Os's political catfights are the best and the most civilised duets in SOL.

[Dr_Osman]

Tallabo I send Xunjuf to school on alot of matters, so he doesnt make the same mistakes as his rebels. Dadka Puntland ku nool wa laf dhabarki somalia waa meesha syl ka aburmay, waa meesha calanki, anthemki laga keenay, waa meelihi gumaysig kow laga dagalamay sida taleex, baargaal,calula,iskushuban. It's the place who brought federalism and the constitution of somalia. Ninkas uu caynayo ee gaas waa ki hamar aqoonsiga uu keenay. Dadka meeshaa ku nool waa hoyadi somalia, waana xaqiq jiro hadaysan joggi lahayeen wuxuu dalka noqon laha waad ogsoon tihin snmtu dalka ayuu kala goyn laha iyo wixi harsan HAG ayaa burburin lahaa.

 

 

Xaaji must realize the respect this region deserves, iska caytan ma aha. Have u ever seen usc and snm contribute anything to somalia which is good? never sxb, its always been sahal from sayyidka,siyad,then burbur hawiye followed by abdilahi yusuf brigining federalism, farole doing the dastur, gaas getting the govt recognition. You really think these mogadishu folks would do that? they would be to busy looking to buy houses waan is naqana niyahow.

 

Thankfully now sahal group have woken with their new lobby group sahal which plays a major role in harmonising beesha siyasad across puntland, ddsi,jubbaland,nfd. This is crucial role as our strategy unfolds on retaking back mogadishu under federalism. The boys in jigjigga will play the role of influencing ethiopia to enpower pland,jland, the nfd boys will do the same in kenya while puntland and jubbaland enforce the pro sahal policies nationwide.There is no turning back from this policy because we have seen the usc,snm contributiins to our nation throughout history has been only one of division and burbur, they have not contributed anything that is positive when it is usc and snm owned. The snm were made halal by the darawish and makhir, the usc were made halal by jubbaland and puntland throughout the history and even today since they using our federal system.

 

I am firm believer of sahal cohesion and unity or else this nation will end up ruined as seen in the past 20 years

 

Finally let me remind haji dadkan sahal ciyaar ma ahan waxan nahay dad haysto 70% of somalia coastline(any oil found there u can imagine our percentage), we own the entry and exit points of the trade route, we own 65% of somalia land(again if oil is found anywhere in somalia our percentage will be huge), jubbaland has the road traffic between kenya and somalia which is very busy, we have 3 states of the 6 breadbasket region. 4 paved airports galkayo,kismayo, with garowe and bosaso to be paved and 2 seaports.

 

You need to remember we gain more thru federalism because resources will be shared based on how much land and sea percentage your mamul controls, not how many states becuz some states are small in land while others are big. It's all going to be shared based on land mass and sea percentage. Their is a big reason why faroole keeps reiterating the 1/3. Borame to las anod is 500 km, bosaso to galkayo 750 km, iskaba cilow badda somalia which is outright 50% puntland, anything found in land ANYWHERE in somalia puntland 30% buu ka leeyahay plus anything found in the sea of somalia we take 50%, since thats the proportion we own of somalia. Thats even if we give las anod to somaliland, regardless of scenarios how things shape out but we always be out on top.

[Tallaabo]

Ditoore, I don't know what the Somalia constitution says but the way countries across the world share their resources among their constituent regions is by taking into account the population of each region. Alaska is not treated more favourably than say Virginia in the United States. The same goes for all the other federated countries. Consider this scenario: a lot of oil is discovered in Puntland and as you said Puntland takes 50% of it. This windfall then attracts the attention of the HAG next door and a large number of them moved to your oil towns. Will Puntland oil sheikhs then share(equally) their petro-dollars with them; or will the immigrants get treated like foreigners or second class citizens? By the way, what are the pro-sahal policies your conspiracy theory suggestions?