Islam and Hsexuality

[Khayr]

[Khayr]

Do you think that the brother makes good arguments?

 

Is something being Natural to be equated with Acceptance?

[Abu-Salman]

What does natural means? If some animals have endless partners too, should humans mate with everyone, at any time? Should cannibalism of one's children, for instance, be allowed too or maybe the decapitation of one's partner as some animals and insects do?

 

It's human nature to have all the wildest fantasies, some are drawn to violence, others to children (pedophilia), endless promiscuity or even incest, so where should the line be drawn to allow for every impulse since there is even a case for murderers to be potentially born with more violent trait (low resistance to frustration or anger)?

 

Again, all those endless debates miss the point that on a practical level, what should really matter to everyone regardless is the common good (if not individual well-being).

Clearly, stable relationship with the opposite sex is the only form associated with positive physical and mental well-being while fostering the next generation and family links whereas homosexuality is not and is even extremely toxic or unhealthy on purely medical grounds, not to mention its healthcare economic costs.

 

Thus, the argument that everyone's impulse should be allowed for regardless of wider social consequences, public health as well as individual well-being is pure nonsense or some "liberal" arguments for drugs, pedophilia etc should all then be seriously considered on an equal footing.

[Khayr]

 

 

Again, all those endless debates miss the point that on a practical level, what should really matter to everyone regardless is the common good (if not individual well-being).

 

What do you mean by the common good? Who defines and draws the parameters for the "common good"?

 

[Abu-Salman]

 

Public Health, Healthcare costs, Family relationships stability and children nurturing, or even individual well-being and physical as well as mental optimal health, discipline, harmony and focus in society etc; there are many parameters relevant accross all cultures.

 

Moral relativism or social liberalism extremism (actually, liberalism in the West started with Jewishs and Christians rather than than atheistic values) makes no sense when carried to its logical conclusions in every sphere (and most people will oppose it anyway way before the "everything goes" stage, from Japan to Peru)...

[galbeedi]

I do not understand why you bringing here this kind of topic. We are all aware where islam stands on these issue. You are probably wearing big beard thinking it is virtue or probably al-shabaab or Some Saudi trained radical.

[Tallaabo]

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@Khayr

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This imam has very little knowledge about this subject and is just preaching his prejudice from the pulpit.

[Tallaabo]

I haven't watched the whole clip but will come back to it later inshaallah.

[galbeedi]

To tell you the truth I did not even opened the clip. I am talking about this Kheyr guy.

[Khayr]

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@Tallaabo

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This imam has very little knowledge about this subject and is just preaching his prejudice from the pulpit.

 

And what invalidates his viewpoints and validates yours? Why is he prejudice and the one pointing the finger at him, not prejudice?

 

Galbeedi,

 

Waar iisdaaji. Why the hate?

[galbeedi]

no hate brother. I thought it was a wrong topic .

[Tallaabo]

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And what invalidates his viewpoints and validates yours? Why is he prejudice and the one pointing the finger at him, not prejudice?

All his arguments are ridiculous.

[Khayr]

Tallabo,

 

Could you point out what parts of the talk

that you disagree with and why?

 

I posted this because we are in an era of mass confusion and the western ulama are changing their tune to be in harmony with liberal values.

[Tallaabo]

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@Khayr

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Tallabo,

 

Could you point out what parts of the talk

that you disagree with and why?

 

I posted this because we are in an era of mass confusion and the western ulama are changing their tune to be in harmony with liberal values.

I disagree with all he said because his arguments have time and again found to be completely wrong; but he has chosen to recycle them here for us.

Heterosexuality and homosexuality are just two sides of the same coin- both are natural varieties of the same innate feeling which creates bonds between two human beings.

[xabad]

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@Tallaabo

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I disagree with all he said because his arguments have time and again found to be completely wrong; but he has chosen to recycle them here

for us.

Heterosexuality and homosexuality are just two sides of the same coin- both are natural varieties of the same innate feeling which creates bonds between two human beings.

 

How do you reconcile these and and your islamic beliefs bal ?? what is the theological justification for these bizarre point of view.