Abu-Salman Posted December 14, 2013 Mandela’s Socialist Failure Interesting; it's true that S African companies huge wealth mostly gets invested overseas and little changed for the masses... His universal glory is also a sign that he really didn’t disturb the global order of power http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/12/06/mandelas-socialist-failure/?src=recg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thefuturenow Posted December 14, 2013 All pacifists will be celebrated for evil is the root of violence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Khayr Posted December 14, 2013 I am suspecious of anything from that is accepted and posted by NYTimes. Having said that, it was a well written idea. If one disturbs these mechanisms, one is very swiftly “punished” by market perturbations, economic chaos, and the rest. So true! I can never trust someone that is praised by criminals and murderers. Evil does not praise goodness. Mandela was a hand picked alternative for South Africans. If I tell you that we are equals but that my clan will continue to own the largest homes and your clan can't have large homes - are we still equals? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alpha Blondy Posted December 14, 2013 black economic empowerment? haters are gonna hate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thefuturenow Posted December 14, 2013 "I want to believe that Mr. Zizec's interesting thoughts don't imply that there has to be a pool of blood to be crossed on his way to socialism." This is one of the comments from the article and it happens to be the main criticism of the author i.e. a shift of power/(ruling ideology) can happen through peaceful means. I have to disagree. THERE MUST BE BLOOD. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
burahadeer Posted December 14, 2013 white minority was 4 million strong,there was nothing much he could do except tackle how to lift his people out of the worst bondage world had eva seen.Served 27 yrs in prison,old with no good health he paid more than his dues for blacks.The rest is left for the ANC to sort out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guje Posted December 14, 2013 so what would you have suggested ?? abrupt uprooting of the whites and redistribution of the resources ala zimbabwe. we know how that worked for bob mugabe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dhagax-Tuur Posted December 14, 2013 I think that that man weighed up his options very carefully, and has come to the best of bad options, i.e, progress for the majority through peaceful means, as a result sizable black children have an access to education, healthcare (may not be perfect, but better than probably many in the continent) etc. The rest is left for the ANC to sort out Couldn't agree more with that those words. He has done his bit, the rest is left for the current and future leaders. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
burahadeer Posted December 15, 2013 Guje;991132 wrote: so what would you have suggested ?? abrupt uprooting of the whites and redistribution of the resources ala zimbabwe. we know how that worked for bob mugabe. No that's not a solution, they can't slap the whites let alone uproot even if they wish.I think the best to come up with is already laid its foundation by Mandela,peaceful coexistence where whites pitch in help blacks and gov't allocate certain %.one thing you have to know is Africans with good number of settlers have been much better off than the rest of the continent like Kenya,zimbabwe and Ivory coast,the latter 2 destroyed by the black man.Black S.Africans still better than most. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar Posted December 15, 2013 Of course, otherwise he would have been vilified like Dear Leader Mugaabi had he redistributed the stolen natural wealth, especially the lands and farms, as Simbaabwe did. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N.O.R.F Posted December 15, 2013 All he did was free South Africans from apartied. I mean, thats nothing! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thefuturenow Posted December 15, 2013 N.O.R.F;991168 wrote: All he did was free South Africans from apartied. I mean, thats nothing! I'm sure he freed S. Africans from apartheid. Just like Martin Luther King freed blacks from slavery. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N.O.R.F Posted December 16, 2013 He did. MLK was good for the Civil Rights Movement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alpha Blondy Posted December 16, 2013 N.O.R.F;991168 wrote: All he did was free South Africans from apartied. I mean, thats nothing! that's a little mean. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N.O.R.F Posted December 16, 2013 One man can only do so much was the intended point inaar. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites