My Recommendations to Somaliland

[nuune]

but like I told Nuune I do have a vested interest in maintaining the integrity of the deen and so I don't want to see this compromised by edicts based on the misuse of textual sources and weak reasoning filled with holes.

I am not here to quote you verses of Quran, or Hadith even though I can quote you multiple Hadiths but that would be out of your touch, but will give you a simple Hadith that says: Wixii nafsadaada halaaga waa Xaaraam. Ma ujeedaa, this Hadith just says nafsadaada halaaga, ka warran hadaad ku sii darsato reerkaaga halaaga, bulshada ku dhax jirto halaaga, maalkaaga halaaga, soo Xaaraam xaaaraam xaaraam xaaaraam lagu darey ma ahan, diinta faham ayey u baahantahey ee kaagama baahna haati daliil ama cadeyn isii, wax kasta hadaad dhahdo haatuu burhaanakum dee sidii reer Banii Israel ayaad halaagsami iyagaa su'aalaha badan ku halaagsamey xataa sideen u cunnaa cuntada qaabkee ayey Anbiyada weydiin jireen, cilmiga qudhiisana caqliga ayuu u baahanyahey in lala kaashado oo kaligiis nafci ma lahan, taasna ogoow Abti!

 

 

The point is here:

 

- You don't eat Khat

- You are clean from it

 

Yet YOU:

 

- Advocate its use in the public

- Campaign it to be used

- Wants it to be legalized

 

 

What is wrong with you yaa Wadani, maskaxdii reerka aawey aad dhihi jirtey waa caaqilada reer Banuu Haashim, adeegso dee oo ka dhiidhi, muhiimada loo dhahayana waa Xaaraam fahan, ma ahan in Sura Al Faatixa ay saas dhahdey ee waa bulshada ayaa laga badbaadinayaa iney halaagsamaan, qofka Jaahilka ah ayaa durbadiiba wax fahma illeen Cilmiga laguu sheegayaba waa Jahligii oo is urursadey markaasey butaaceyn, waa butaacistan meesha uu Cilmiga ka soo qulquley.

[Wadani]

magicbird;988484 wrote:

Akhi, I know where you coming from but I repeat Qaala rasuulullah scw "kullu muskir(things that get you high/low) khamr, wa kullu muskir haram". Scholars understood this that the prophet scw was trying to be encompass all harmful drugs into one category.

But this hadith doesn't address levels of severity in terms of sin, it just says they're all a sin. Let me ask u this question directly and we can end this debate with this; are u saying eating qaat carries the same amount of sin as drinking wine?

[Wadani]

nuune;988485 wrote:

I am not here to quote you verses of Quran, or Hadith even though I can quote you multiple Hadiths

but that would be out of your touch

,

Islaweynidu waa wax foolxun, kana foolxun qaadkan aaad jihaadka kula jirtid. Dooddaaduna mid cilmiyaysan ma'aha oo caadifad ayay ku salaysan tahay.

[magicbird]

Wadani;988486 wrote:

But this hadith doesn't address levels of severity in terms of sin, it just says they're all a sin. Let me ask u this question directly and we can end this debate with this; are u saying eating qaat carries the same amount of sin as drinking wine?

Akhi, allaahu aclam to your question. But I still firmly stand by what I said that Khat is haram as Alcohol as proven by the hadiths.

[nuune]

^^ Waryaa Wadani, out of your touch ma ahan cilmi uma lihid, wax fahan oo ha boodin, akhri xuruufta waxa ku dhax lifaaqan, ee waa labadeena discussionkeena quran iyo hadith kuma saleysna, ninkaas kale ayaad aayada qurana iyo hadith isla heysaan, aniga iyo adiga ma ahan, that is what of out of your touch means, wax fahan, ilaa al'aankan quraan iyo hadith islama aynaan soo qaadin, seef la boodnimada jooji diinta ingtegrytigeeda ayaan ilaalinayaa dhinacna qaadkaan ilaalinayaa wax caqliga aqbali karo ma ahan, ku noqo halkaa Abti.

[Cadale]

Everything that harms your body is forbidden.

[nuune]

Cadale;988491 wrote:

Everything that harms your body is forbidden.

And if it harms others, and harms your wealth, and harms your family, and environment waa forbidden forbidden forbidden forbidden lagu darey, u sheeg igaarkan Wadani, illaa hada wuxuu taaganyahay Sura Faatixa sidaas ma aysan oranin!

[Wadani]

magicbird;988489 wrote:

Akhi

, allaahu aclam to your question. But I still firmly stand by what I said that Khat is haram as Alcohol as proven by the hadiths.

Bal culimada suaashaas soo waydii insha'allah.

 

P.S. Erayga akhi waa kalmad carabi ah oo aan macno diini ah xambaarsanayn, kamana fadli badna erayada Soomaaliyeed sida walaal iyo aboowe. Waan ogahay in aanad sidaa uga jeedin balse waa muhiim in aynu adeegsanno afkeena hooyo oo aynaan ka doorbidin afqalaad. Khayr baan kuu rajaynayaa saaxiib.

 

And you might be wondering why I'm picking on the word Akhi in particular. It's because a lot of religious Somalis use this term a lot instead of the Somali terms or the term brother if they are speaking in English. They do this with quite a few Arabic words that have Somali equivalents.

[Wadani]

nuune;988490 wrote:

^^ Waryaa

Wadan

i, out of your touch ma ahan cilmi uma lihid, wax fahan oo ha boodin, akhri xuruufta waxa ku dhax lifaaqan, ee waa labadeena discussionkeena quran iyo hadith kuma saleysna, ninkaas kale ayaad aayada qurana iyo hadith isla heysaan, aniga iyo adiga ma ahan, that is what of out of your touch means, wax fahan, ilaa al'aankan quraan iyo hadith islama aynaan soo qaadin, seef la boodnimada jooji diinta ingtegrytigeeda ayaan ilaalinayaa dhinacna qaadkaan ilaalinayaa wax caqliga aqbali karo ma ahan, ku noqo halkaa Abti.

Iga raali ahow Nuune, qalad ayaan fahmay.

[Cadale]

nuune;988492 wrote:

And if it harms others, and harms your wealth, and harms your family, and environment waa forbidden forbidden forbidden forbidden lagu darey, u sheeg igaarkan

Wadan

i, illaa hada wuxuu taaganyahay Sura Faatixa sidaas ma aysan oranin!

Lol.

[Wadani]

Cadale;988491 wrote:

Everything that harms your body is forbidden.

So is fast food and processed foods haram? You must be accumulating a lot of sins every time u buy a bag of potatoe chips, with its high sodium and saturated fat content. How come you guys aren't concerned with maintaining logical consistency in your rulings? Anyways guys, lets just agree to disagree.

[magicbird]

Wadani;988493 wrote:

Bal culimada suaashaas soo waydii insha'allah.

 

P.S. Erayga akhi waa kalmad carabi ah oo aan macno diini ah xambaarsanayn, kamana fadli badna erayada Soomaaliyeed sida walaal iyo aboowe. Waan ogahay in aanad sidaa uga jeedin balse waa muhiim in aynu adeegsanno afkeena hooyo oo aynaan ka doorbidin afqalaad. Khayr baan kuu rajaynayaa saaxiib.

Maashallah aboowe/boowe/walaal/thats all I know. Waxaa qortaa pure somali, af-somali sare ayaa qortaa, and inshallah waxaa duceenaayaa in illaahi af-somaligaaga kugu darro, and I hope you use your somali for goodness and charity. And Jzkallahu khairan, waxaa tijaabinaa inaa af-somali barto but wey igu adagtahay. And i ask allah to take care of our affairs as he's the best disposer of affairs.

 

Inshallah I'll ask one and will iA inform u abt it.

[Cadale]

Wadani;988496 wrote:

So is fast food and processed foods haram? You must be accumulating a lot of sins every time u buy a bag of potatoe chips, with its high sodium and saturated fat content. How come you guys aren't concerned with maintaining logical consistency in your rulings? Anyways guys, lets just agree to disagree.

Sxb LOL horta it aint illogical waxkasta oo la mamnuucay sabab baa ka danbeysa la iskama mamnuuco sow maadan garan let me ask you something if you know fast food harms you bal maxaa ku geynaaya ilaahi baan kugu dhaarshe?:p

[Wadani]

magicbird;988497 wrote:

Maashallah aboowe/boowe/walaal/thats all I know. Waxaa qortaa pure somali, af-somali sare ayaa qortaa, and inshallah waxaa duceenaayaa in illaahi af-somaligaaga kugu darro, and I hope you use your somali for goodness and charity. And Jzkallahu khairan, waxaa tijaabinaa inaa af-somali barto but wey igu adagtahay. And i ask allah to take care of our affairs as he's the best disposer of affairs.

 

Inshallah I'll ask one and will iA inform u abt it.

Thank you for your kind words walaal, and your Somali is pretty good too masha'Allah. And yes i'd like to hear the answer if you get an opportunity to ask. And just to set the record straight i'm not saying qaat is xalaal, I'm just saying I'm not prepared to say it's haram until I see the proof that it's like a real drug that alters ones mental state just like marijuana, heroin and cocaine. If someone has a study that can prove this then of course I will say it is haram.

[Wadani]

Cadale;988498 wrote:

Sxb LOL horta it aint illogical waxkasta oo la mamnuucay sabab baa ka danbeysa la iskama mamnuuco sow maadan garan let me ask you something if you know fast food harms you bal maxaa ku geynaaya ilaahi baan kugu dhaarshe?

:p

Hunguri iyo xaas la'aan isugu kay biiray.