Somali terror suspect mohamed ahmed is at large.

[Mahiigaan]

spartacus;984765 wrote:

why would somali girls use such big large like hijab, we had our own kind of dress and hijab, why wouldn't we wear our own clothes instead of heavy big clothes of arabian style. we had our own nice clothing, arabic tradition influencing us too much, somali girls need to get back their own origin kind of traditional dress.

Somalis have no culture of their own. Whatever they claim is their own is borrowed from somewhere else, unless they are raw nomads. The so called urban Somalis are lost in between many cultures of others. This huge jilbab is introduced by Al itixaad, not of their own invention but borrowed from Egyptian Muslim brotherhood.

We Somalis never initiate anything of our own, we just follow like sheep while others lead us. We never use our ratiionality, we act instead like monkeys.

[Hawdian]

^ thats a bit harsh , nooh.

[N.O.R.F]

Muslim brotherhood?

[Khayr]

Mahiigaan;984816 wrote:

We Somalis never initiate anything of our own, we just follow like sheep while others lead us. We never use our ratiionality, we act instead like monkeys.

^ You are comments are asnine. Stop trolling and go kick rocks.

[Tallaabo]

I think the niqab should be banned for security reasons. Like the female circumcision it is not a Islamic thing so we can do away with both of them.

[Hawdian]

^ No. people are free to wear what they want.

[spartacus]

niqab as long as it's not (faral) compulsory banning won't bring much problem while you are in such countries, i mean it's their country the majority are non muslims. in that case those who want to wear niqab can immigrate to muslim country..

[Tallaabo]

Hawdian;984955 wrote:

^ No. people are free to wear what they want.

Yes people should be free to wear what they want as long as their choice of clothing is not a security risk to the society.

[LayZie G.]

*Ibtisam;984769 wrote:

Please iska amuus- it is irrelevant what Somali girls wear or want to wear.

The fact is- If and when I want to wear a niqab, I should be able to

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Ibti, don't hush the boy. He brought up a great point.

 

Mida hore you are entitled to make personal statements but not facts, because personal statements are not facts.

 

With that said, the decade long question that continues to hunt you and which you have no answer to is, why you want to

wear a NIQAB? Surely it can't be for fashion.

 

I just don't understand what this personal choice is all about. What is so fascinating about the cloth?

 

Mida kale, clothes are relevant, and women's fashion is very much relevant. How you dress matters as thats how

people judge you. Clothes reveal more about a person than one likes to admit.

 

You are judged by the way you look and if I can't see you, I can't judge you.

[Ibtisam]

LayZie G.;984982 wrote:

Ibti, don't hush the boy. He brought up a great point.

 

Mida hore you are entitled to make personal statements but not facts, because personal statements are not facts.

 

With that said, the decade long question that continues to hunt you and which you have no answer to is, why you want to

wear a NIQAB? Surely it can't be for fashion.

 

I just don't understand what this personal choice is all about. What is so fascinating about the cloth?

 

Mida kale, clothes are relevant, and women's fashion is very much relevant. How you dress matters as thats how

people judge you. Clothes reveal more about a person than one likes to admit.

 

You are judged by the way you look and if I can't see you, I can't judge you.

Loool @ If I can't see you, I can't judge you. Baal faaduusha eega! Lazy my dear sis, it is a fundamental right that as a human being I can dress bad or good or make my own fashion from stones- I dress for me, not for people, how else do you think I can go out to the street with yellow socks, red jalabibi, black abaya and niqaab with pink hand bag. My fashion is my confidence to do as I wish and please, and my clothes dont say much about me other than I am a Muslim and I wanted to cover up- So in that sense fashion and clothes are neither relevant to me or anyone who cares to notice me.

 

As for WHY I want to or personal choice- the reasons could be as simple as because I want to, I feel I should be able, In support for the right for others to wear it, or maybe I have a deeply held believe that it makes me closer to my maker- either way I find the time consumed on what women can wear trying and annoying. Let her pick her clothes, whatever they be, not society, not sheikh, not some law maker, and certainly not a hooligan on the street.

 

I have already address the security issue-

[spartacus]

LayZie G.;984982 wrote:

Ibti, don't hush the boy. He brought up a great point.

 

Mida hore you are entitled to make personal statements but not facts, because personal statements are not facts.

 

With that said, the decade long question that continues to hunt you and which you have no answer to is, why you want to

wear a NIQAB? Surely it can't be for fashion.

 

I just don't understand what this personal choice is all about. What is so fascinating about the cloth?

 

Mida kale, clothes are relevant, and women's fashion is very much relevant. How you dress matters as thats how

people judge you. Clothes reveal more about a person than one likes to admit.

 

You are judged by the way you look and if I can't see you, I can't judge you.

That's pretty true when you no longer in muslim country, :cool:

[Mahiigaan]

Khayr;984945 wrote:

^ You are comments are asnine. Stop trolling and go kick rocks.

Adigu waxaad tahay kuwa Carabta iska dhiga miyaa ee haddana kelmad af Carabi ah soo rogan? Somalida lebis xumadooda waa laga yaabay.

[Mahiigaan]

LayZie G.;984982 wrote:

Ibti, don't hush the boy. He brought up a great point.

 

Mida hore you are entitled to make personal statements but not facts, because personal statements are not facts.

 

With that said, the decade long question that continues to hunt you and which you have no answer to is, why you want to

wear a NIQAB? Surely it can't be for fashion.

 

I just don't understand what this personal choice is all about. What is so fascinating about the cloth?

 

Mida kale, clothes are relevant, and women's fashion is very much relevant. How you dress matters as thats how

people judge you. Clothes reveal more about a person than one likes to admit.

 

You are judged by the way you look and if I can't see you, I can't judge you.

I am for the freedom of wearing whatever one finds suitable, but the problem is when a girl with no niqab is judged by Somalis as "gabadh aan wanaagsanayn" though the girl maybe educated, decent and intelligent than those who judge her.

[Ibtisam]

This week politicians and the media have raged about "terror suspect" Mohammed Ahmed Mohamed, who absconded, dressed in a burqa, while being monitored by electronic tag. I know how he feels.

 

I spent two years living under a control order – and the accusation that I was a terrorist. A control order is largely the same thing as a Tpim (terrorism prevention and investigation measure) – with which Mohamed had been issued – just more draconian.

 

Like Mohamed, I found the pressures of being labelled a "terrorist" life-sapping. And I also absconded.

 

Mohamed went "on the run" without having been charged with a crime and without being shown the evidence of his alleged wrongdoing. Call me old-fashioned, but I still believe in the basic concept of a trial. I'm not alone. Our justice system has world respect because it was built on the old principle that someone is "innocent until proven guilty". But with legislation such as Tpims and Schedule 7 – under which David Miranda was detained – this no longer seems to be the case.

 

I was cleared of my "crime" – but not before I'd lost two years of my life in a netherworld of prisons, police, tags and harassment. The cumulative effects of the conditions destroy all normality: I was forced to stop caring for my sick mother and I had to quit a degree I loved doing. In short, every aspect of my life was dismantled and ruined.

 

When my case eventually came to court, the judge, Justice Collins, was astonished by the flimsy evidence of my so-called wrongdoing put before him. He said three times that he could see no grounds to suspect me of involvement in terrorism. He added that, if he had seen the evidence before, he'd have thrown the order out.

 

I was grateful to him for being candid, but by that point I'd lost my previous life.

 

Over the years it has become clear that the reliability of information from our security services is not to be trusted. They assured us there were WMDs in Iraq, and there were not. They can get it equally wrong in a terrorism case.

 

That is why we need fair, open trials. Four of the men living under Tpims have been found not guilty in a court of law. And yet an anonymous group of men and women in suits have taken it upon themselves to override this verdict. This is an ugly precedent to set, reminiscent of regimes that are universally condemned.

 

After 18 months on my control order, I was ready to snap because of the pressures placed on me by these draconian measures. For my sanity, I felt my only option was also to go "on the run". There was a manhunt, with 400 officers, so I'm told. They didn't find me, or the two other men I left with. In fact they've never caught anyone who's breached their conditions.

 

I returned of my own accord after five weeks. I was innocent. I didn't want to be labeled a "fugitive" – running from a crime I didn't commit. I handed myself over to police and spent the next six months in Belmarsh prison.

 

So as someone who's felt the injustice of being called a terrorist – without evidence – as someone who's been on the wrong side of secret hearings, and who also saw the futility of a system built on secrets, I say to Mohamed: run as far as you can, run far away from these rainy shores, and I hope you will find the justice that is missing here.

 

Sometimes, when faced with injustice, the only option is disobedience, so God speed and good journeys.

 

 

 

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/08/mohammed-ahmed-mohmed-on-the-run-security-services?commentpage=1

[Safferz]

Live and let live. I don't like the niqab, but what I'm against is the idea that it's within the state's right to limit women's autonomy and dictate what they can or can't do with their bodies. I am more disturbed by people who think they can infringe on people's right to practice their religion as they interpret it.