The newest trend - xaliimos marrying chinese

[Classified]

Safferz;982295 wrote:

Like I said, there's no scholarly consensus so some may say it goes both ways, others say it does not.

Hassan Al-Turabi

is a well known Sudanese sheikh and political figure.

Who are these "Some" that "say it goes both ways" and who are these "Others" that "say it does not"? :? Don't just throw empty rhetoric, provide substantial evidence to your claims. I'm thirsty for more knowledge. Educate me, bal.

[Wadani]

Safferz;982262 wrote:

^^ you don't inherit religion from anyone and certainly not your father, in fact that's one aspect of traditional Arab religion that Islam clearly forbids. Don't try and invent religious justification for ethnocentrism and bigotry, Prophet Muhammad himself was married to women of different ethnic backgrounds (ie. a Jewish woman, an Egyptian Copt) and even encouraged interracial marriages (ie. he asked his cousin Zaynab to marry Zaid ibn Haritha).

Both Zaid and Zaynab were arabs.

[Oiler]

Classified;982294 wrote:

Did she just referred to a Sudanese politician as an Isamic scholar? *scratching his head*

He also said "drinking alcohol is not a crime unless it turned into a hostile act" & " women can lead at the front in prayers" among other bizarre things, go figure.

[Safferz]

Wadani;982300 wrote:

Both Zaid and Zaynab were arabs.

Just like the Xalimo and Chinese guy are both Americans, or whatever. What's your point? Zaid was a black slave in Mecca.

 

Classified;982296 wrote:

Who are these "Some" that "say it goes both ways" and who are these "Others" that "say it does not"? :? Don't just throw empty rhetoric, provide substantial evidence to your claims. I'm thirsty for more knowledge. Educate me, bal.

Khaled Abou El Fadl's books "And Allah Knows the Soldiers: The Authoritative and Authoritarian in Islamic Discourses" and "Speaking in God's Name: Islamic Law, Authority, and Women" is a good start.

[Classified]

Safferz;982302 wrote:

Just like the Xalimo and Chinese guy are both Americans, or whatever. What's your point? Zaid was a black slave in Mecca.

 

 

 

Khaled Abou El Fadl's books "And Allah Knows the Soldiers: The Authoritative and Authoritarian in Islamic Discourses" and "Speaking in God's Name: Islamic Law, Authority, and Women" is a good start.

Who's Khaled Abou El Fadl? :confused:

 

What do you think about what Oiler said? Is it true? If yes, do you agree with it?

[Safferz]

Classified;982303 wrote:

Who's Khaled Abou El Fadl? :confused:

 

What do you think about what Oiler said? Is it true? If yes, do you agree with it?

Why do you ask me things you can Google?

 

Bear in mind that Al-Turabi is a political leader who is concerned with Sudan's legal system, that he believes consuming alcohol is not something that should be in the purview of the state (especially one like Sudan, which has Christians too) is not a big deal. Very few countries prohibit alcohol. And the

than the question of interfaith marriage, but you can do your own research on that and I'm not interested in getting into that discussion in this thread.

[Mad_Mullah]

Muslim women aren't allowed to marry non-Muslim men. I don't understand how you can use Sudani politicians as proof

[Hawdian]

Safferz;982295 wrote:

Like I said, there's no scholarly consensus so some may say it goes both ways, others say it does not.

Hassan Al-Turabi

is a well known Sudanese sheikh and political figure.

Could You list the Scholars you Follow Expect Mr.Turabi Since Its clear in Main Stream Sunni islam that A women Can Not marry A NonMuslim.

 

thanks.

[Classified]

One last question Safferz, what do you think of Irshad Manji? Also, is it okay in Islam (be it religiously or in Islamic Shariah) to be a homosexual/lesbian? Have in mind that Irshad Manji advocates for a total reform/overhaul in Islam/Quran, so to speak.

[Oiler]

Classified;982307 wrote:

One last question Safferz, what do you think of Irshad Manji? Also, is it okay in

Islam

(be it religiously or in Islamic Shariah) to be a homosexual/lesbian? Have in mind that Irshad Manji advocates for a total reform/overhaul in Islam/Quran, so to speak.

The 2nd question has been answered:

Safferz;978380 wrote:

I identify with the far left, and I support same sex marriage as a civil right, though I think there are more important issues for LGBTQ people.

She's entitled to her opinions.

[Classified]

^ WTF! *Jaw dropped*

 

So, is it safe to say that Safferz is not a Muslim?

[Safferz]

^^ lol!

 

Oiler;982308 wrote:

The 2nd question has been answered:

 

She's entitled to her opinions.

Well no, not quite, unless you conflate civil law with religious law. Classified also conflates behaviour (what Islam and religions in general try to regulate) with feelings, desires, thoughts, etc. He seems the type to tell a gay Muslim not to bother praying, because "you can't be gay and Muslim," but wouldn't say that to his friend with a girlfriend, or a Muslim who drinks and parties.

 

And I can't stand Irshad Manji.

[Hawdian]

Classified;982309 wrote:

^ WTF! *Jaw dropped*

 

So, is it safe to say that

Safferz

is not a Muslim?

Taas inn la cadeeyo weeyan wayo qoofka maarku yidhaaho waxas baa diinta Allah SWT ka badalaya waa marku waada qalad kuu socodoo.

[Classified]

Safferz;982312 wrote:

^^ lol!

 

 

 

Well no, not quite, unless you conflate civil law with religious law. Classified also conflates behaviour (what Islam and religions in general try to regulate) with feelings, desires, thoughts, etc. He seems the type to tell

a gay Muslim

not to bother praying, because "you can't be gay and Muslim," but wouldn't say that to his friend with a girlfriend, or a Muslim who drinks and parties.

 

And I can't stand Irshad Manji.

A gay muslim? lol

[Oiler]

This debate is not going anywhere, people lie about the religion all the time, and introduce innovations. Remember God causes whomsoever He wills to stray in error, and sets whomsoever He wills on the straight way.