The Political Rebirth Of Islamic Civilisation

[kickz]

RedSea;977280 wrote:

It's going to get worst folks, before it gets better. The Lavant(Ard As Sham) and Major Islamic centers like Istanbul will be captured by the Romans(Europeans). Then will be liberated once again by the Muslims led by a Army from Madina. Things are just beginning to unfold.

True it does seem that way with Sisi in power and Erdogan under fire.

[Haatu]

GAROODI;977126 wrote:

In regard to your Hadith about how quresh can only lead: firstly it is well known that not all the hadiths are authentic. Most of them are but there some that are not authentic. The Prophet (pbuh) said that a white man is not better then a black man, an Arab is not better then a non Arab. And the fact that over the past few hundred years the chaliphate was under ottoman Turks and Europeans control with the blessing of the entire muslim world Arab and non Arab proves that Ethier you are not looking at it in its context (what the sentence said before it or the historical context or what it was refering to in a particular time) or it is wrong. One or the other I'm sure of it. History has proven that to be the case.

The Khilaafa ended with the Khulaa-ur-Raashiduun. Then there was Kinship, then there was tyrannical kinship (what we have today) then IA the Khilaafa shall return with the Mahdi.

 

There shall be Prophethood (nubuwwa) among you for as long as Allah wishes it to be among you. Then it shall be lifted up when Allah wishes to lift it up. Then there shall be successorship (khilâfa) on the pattern (minhâj) of Prophetship for as long as Allah wishes it to be. Then it shall be lifted up when Allah wishes to lift it up. Then there shall be a trying kingship (mulkan `âddan) for as long as Allah wishes it to be. Then it shall be lifted up when Allah wishes to lift it up. Then there shall be a tyrannical kingship (mulkan jabriyyatan) for as long as Allah wishes it to be. Then it shall be lifted up when Allah wishes to lift it up. Then there shall be successorship on the pattern of Prophetship. Narrated from Hudhayfa by Ahmad with a sound chain as stated by al-Zayn in the Musnad (14:163 #18319) and as indicated by al-Haythami (5:188-189): ” Narrated by Ahmad, al-Bazzar with a more complete wording, and al-Tabarani partly, in al-Awsat. The narrators in its chain are trustworthy. Also narrated from Abu `Ubayda by al-Tabarani in al-Kabir (1:157)

NB: The prophet also said "and the best of kings is Mucaawiyah" or something along those lines in another narration.

[Mad_Mullah]

Hobbesian_Brute;977368 wrote:

I'm not westerner, i don't claim their history as mine, nor their advances,i am objective. you on the other hand think your an arab and take pride in their achievements and sublimate your pride with their past glories. that is not normal sxb.

Majority of scientific developments were carried out by Muslim Persians. We take pride in their achievments as Muslim, Al-Khattab (Ra) said it the best they were nothing without Islam and then they were given Pride and honour by Islam and nothing else.

 

Our glories, our.Even a Muslim that converted 5 minutes ago can claim the glory of Salahudeen the Kurd, or Mohammed Fatih the Ottoman.

[GAROODI]

Hobbesian_Brute;977368 wrote:

Maskiin, your just rehashing classic apologist view points here, there never was a multicultural paradise in Islamic Spain, its a myth, which has been thoroughly debunked.

 

http://www.firstprinciplesjournal.com/articles.aspx?article=1364

 

 

 

Entire nations which were conquered, become arabized and lost their glorious heritage like egypt, persia, and even somalia which has lost much of the essence of its true identity and culture to arabo-islam. How is that a good thing ?

 

 

 

how did it grant women rights ?

 

 

 

proof ? infact much of islam is built on the superiority of the arab over the non arab.

 

 

 

another lie, the greeks gave us the scientific method

 

 

 

I'm not westerner, i don't claim their history as mine, nor their advances,i am objective. you on the other hand think your an arab and take pride in their achievements and sublimate your pride with their past glories. that is not normal sxb.

 

Lets start with your first assumption that nations became arabised. The entire bases of your assumption is wrong because you confuse Arab with Muslim. Arabs before the advant of Islam were nomads with oral traditions that primarily inhabited the deserts. They had a backward culture of paganism, tribalism and other then the insence trail had very little culture. This is the original pre Islamic culture I.e. it's basis. So if you want to refer to Arab culture academically this is your only reference point.

 

You argue that Muslims destroyed other people's cultures. To answer this question you first have to understand that in religion their are commonly shared practises which equate to mutually shared faith I.e. religion and culture which is different then religion.

 

Commonly shared aspects of faith I.e. reciting the Quran in Arabic, building a mosque in the same manner, prayer etc are all religious aspects that are mutually shared. This is not a form of domination but mutually shared aspects of faith or religion. A Jews would build a synagogue be in Madrid or Rio.

 

In terms of culture which is what you are trying to argue was dominated. This is clearly not true. Even within the Islamic empire historians ALL mutually accept that the Muslim empire provided autonomy for all the various regions and had minimal involvement in the day to day affairs of the various regions. Kings or rulers of various regions would report in a hierarchical structure. The state was involved in matters of military, administrive I.e. bearucratic affairs and tax collecting and if you have proof that argues otherwise it would be interesting to see it Please post for all readers to SEE.

 

In terms of Egyptian and Persian civilisations being destroyed: by the time the Muslims reached Egyptian Greece had converted the original Egyptians into Christians I.e. Copts who have the same type of Christianity as Greece not a coincedence. Furthermore the ideas of paganistic ancient Egyptian society and the sun worshiping culture of Zoroastrianism of ancient Persia contradict the monotheistic ideals of Islam as described in the Quran.

 

 

 

In regards to the Somalis. Somalis during the period of time we are referring to we're minimally influenced by Arabs. The Islamic conquest brought many Arabs and Muslims to the coast to preach and trade. The Ottoman Empire had more influence on the Somalis then Arabs again you are confusing religion with cultural domination. The recent change in clothing is a religious transformation. White women in Europe wear the niqab it doesn't mean Arab cultural domination.

[Haatu]

Guys don't waste your time with this Hobbesian dude.

 

They want to extinguish the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, although the disbelievers dislike it.

[Wadani]

Haatu;977447 wrote:

Guys don't waste your time with this Hobbesian dude.

 

They want to extinguish the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, although the disbelievers dislike it.

Allaahu Akbar

[GAROODI]

What the Jews wrote about Islamic spain:

 

For all its political unrest, Muslim Iberia [spain and Portugal] sustained its economic vitality well into the twelfth century.

 

The Jews shared in that affluence. Heavily concentrated in Granada, they earned their livelihoods as distributors of the region's sugarcane and cotton; as exporters of marble, gold, silver, iron, and copper; as retail tradesmen, artisans, and physicians.

 

Beyond Granada, Jewish enclaves were still to be found in Cordoba, the focus of the Jews' original settlement, and in Lucena and Seville. During periods of civil instability, additional thousands also migrated northward to the Christian kingdoms of Asturias, Leon, Castile, Navarre, Coimbra. Yet even in the north, Spanish Jews by and large preserved their Arabic language and nomenclature, and remained extensively integrated into the Arab cultural terrain.

 

Wherever they settled, too, the Jews continued to operate as a state within a state, exercising the widest measure of fiscal and judicial autonomy. For them, within that insular world, it was the synagogue that functioned as the communal omnium‑gatherum [all-purpose gathering place]. There were many hundreds of these, from public synagogues to synagogues erected by guilds of artisans to private synagogues attached to the homes of wealthy families, Cordoba and Granada, each with five or six thousand Jews, maintained* at least two dozen synagogues. In Toledo, with barely four thousand Jews, there were eleven.

 

Characteristically, Iberian (and North African) synagogues shared most of the architectural and decorative features of the mosque. Construction was in the shape of a rectangle. The Ark of the Torah, positioned in the center of the sanctuary, was encircled by* cushions and mats. Inasmuch as Jews were forbidden to employ human likenesses, the synagogue, like the mosque, was adorned with the carvings of* animals and vegetation, with plaster lobes, horseshoe bows, rosettes, and sacred* verses filigreed in Hebrew lettering.

 

Plainly, the synagogue, in common with the mosque and the church, was first and foremost a house of prayer. For all of Andalusia's pleasures, worship was a serious concern for its heterogeneity of Arabs, Moors, Jews, Slavs, Visigoths, and Lusitanians. But for Jews as well as for the others, the day of rest was also a convivial delight.

 

Comfort and Self-Satisfaction Prevailed For Centuries

Thus, after a Friday‑afternoon visit to the neighborhood bathhouse, and its opportunity for gossip with friends, a middle‑class Jew attended services on Saturday morning. Upon returning home, he and his family enjoyed an ample Sabbath meal, usually of spiced meat and flatbread, washed down with wine. A siesta followed. Afterward, the home was open to relatives and friends. The family ambience was tradition‑bound.

[GAROODI]

The Jews of Islamic Spain fled to Morocco, Tunisia , Egypt and turkey after the fall of Islamic Spain. Furthermore the greatest poetry and addition to the Jewish Talmud was contributed in Islamic Spain written by the Sephardic Jews. At the side of the great. Mosque of cordoba is a Jewish synagogue.

 

All the books below prove your talking absolute nonsense:

 

Medieval Jewish commerce in Islamic lands

Modern Jewry in Islamic lands

Ladino, a mix of Hebrew and Spanish

Synagogue architecture across the world

[GAROODI]

Islam was the first religion on earth to give women equal rights in politics, to own land, to get inheritance, to choose to keep her surname, to give her rights in marriage etc while Western Europe debated for 300 years if Women even had souls: not to mention an entire chapter in the Quran dedicated to the rights of women:

 

"On the contrary, Islam was the first religion formally to grant the women a status never known before. The Holy Quran, the sacred scripture of Islam, contains hundreds of teachings, which apply both to men and women alike. The moral, spiritual and economic equality of men and women as propagated by Islam is unquestionable. The specific verses of the Holy Quran, which address themselves to men or women, deal with either their physical differences or the role they each have to play in safeguarding the moral fibre of the society Islam envisages"

 

http://www.alislam.org/library/WOMANINISLAM.pdf

 

 

 

 

You have been fooled:

 

 

[GAROODI]

The scientific method:

 

The Greeks contributed to philosophy in regards to science but most of it was non sense when Muslim theorists examined the works of Aristotle it didn't take long for them to point out obvious mistakes. Astronomy, mathematics, optics, alchemists, human anatomy and surgery all happened under the Islamic empire. The world trades in Muslim numbers 12345678910 other then the 0 which was incorporated from India the rest is Muslim. The first hospital based on wards and the first theorist to understand desease was spread airborne is Islamic while Europeans use to bring the bones of their saint to cure them hahaah.... Optics the first cataract operations etc.

 

It's all because in the Quran God encourages knowledge and reason and human mental development. The more you understand about the world the more you appreciate the beauty and perfection of life the more you will believe in God. That's why many chapters always end with "let the men of understanding see".

 

Islamic Spain was the jewel of Europe. Most people in the west argue that Italy led to the age of reason I.e. the renaissance. Europe and Christianity who were preoccupied with collecting tax from the poor didn't spark the renaissance Islamic Spain changed the mentally of Europe and led to the age of reason and the church tried to crush it because smart people or literate people could see that it was all nonsense.

[Hobbesian_Brute]

I was once like you haatu, a very devout and fire breathing believer. eventually you will come to realize what you believe is just fairy tales. you will have to grow up, you can't be a child forever. you will remember me.

[GAROODI]

Believe what you want to believe but we are all one and the same: Islamic history belongs to the entire Muslim nation. Because all Muslims took part one of the greatest places of knowledge in the Islamic world was Timbuktu:

 

 

 

The sultanate of adel and shoa whose capital was based in Zeilla had links with the Ottoman Empire and fought Ethiopian Abyssinia expansion into somali territory.

 

So you see this is a chain we are linked. From Moscow to Jakarta. Be it black Muslim or white or Arab or Asian.

 

 

[kickz]

Haatu;977447 wrote:

They want to extinguish the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, although the disbelievers dislike it.

Beautiful ayah

[Hobbesian_Brute]

that is not normal, its behaviour of cults and deluded peoples. humans divide themselves into races, tribes, nations and clans. political persuasion, religious affiliation are not what count. How on earth can i - an african , say i am proud of Kurd who conquered Jerusalem. baloney

[Hobbesian_Brute]

Malcolm X was a confused soul, running from one form of slavery into another.