Shabab can't be beaten - only contained. Make PEACE

Mad_Mullah · September 7, 2013

Let's not kid ourselves US/UN etc. have spent billions in Iraq and the Iraqi government is MUCH RICHER than the Somali government. Yet they've been plagued with suicide bombings and assassinations since 2003! I mean 800 people have been killed in AUGUST ALONE!

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/800-people-killed-iraq-august-20129397

Same goes for Taliban - what do you think will make the Somali government able to defeat them? Ill equipped soldiers? Bantu soldiers?

I say peace agreements have to be made and try to contain them like Hezbollah in the South of Lebanon, they have military camps, schools, a lot of influence on the government but they are not a direct military threat to anyone.

walaalkis · September 7, 2013

Lack of proper trained security personal.

Lack of proper equipment to do sufficient work

Lack of communication within the security personal

Lack of trust in the goverment.

Lack of knowledge and expertise in defense department

Lack of experience and suitable personal to hold the goverment positions for the job.

Lack of public support

Alshabab can be easily beaten by only if public support was available and there was no snich within the goverment to assist

alshabab to slaughter any witnesses or goverment supporters.

Why can't there be controlled post in major streets in mogadishu or each major city in somalia. If there was control...full scale controlling system in place there wouldn't be such attacks.

block major roads,do daily hourly every min checkup... how can a car go into it's destination when it's stopped far in the distance by security personal. ?

all these attacks can be stopped if well trained police and army are in place... but heey you can't make moryaan police officer

or army personal. He will do what he has to do assist alshabab make money and leave ...

buttom line alshabab well be gone only if the right people for the job are hired....

culusow needs to step up his game otherwise he should resign and admit alshabab are out of his league

Mad_Mullah · September 7, 2013

Police will always be Muuryaan what kind of middle class person will leave his life to join some shitty army/police force? No They will always be from the poorer classes that can always be bribed!

Controlled posts/roadblocks won't work - they've either got inside men/or they just kill everybody at the checkpoint.

You also have to understand that a lot of countries are giving money to Somalia to defeat Shabab, if Shabab is gone a lot of this money will stop.

YoniZ · September 7, 2013

Shebab is ideology which blossom in chaos situations. The solution is not simple but doable in two methods:

1- Fight the ideology with ideology.

2- Solve the chaos with improved security and give youth hope.

Good example of both points can be found in Egypt nineties and again the same country today. The groups that carried fanatic atrocities are defeated in taming them ideologically in the late nineties, and sadly today the same groups are reawakened because of the chaos in that country.

walaalkis · September 7, 2013

Mad_Mullah;976468 wrote:

Police will always be Muuryaan what kind of middle class person will leave his life to join some shitty army/police force? No They will always be from the poorer classes that can always be bribed!

Controlled posts/roadblocks won't work - they've either got inside men/or they just kill everybody at the checkpoint.

You also have to understand that a lot of countries are giving money to Somalia to defeat Shabab, if Shabab is gone a lot of this money will stop.

Alshabab are no different from the tribal wars we had back in the 90s in mogadishu and all that stopped a crazy religious

groups were born afterwards and they wanted to stay in power just like the warlords back in the days.

Alshabab and their supporter/helpers can be stopped if truly residents in the capital want peace.

Only if there's well paid/trained/equiped security in place , they can do better job than amisom.

public support + better security well do reduce the risk 90% if not 100%....

all these people that are aiding alshabab don't do it for the sake of religion they do it for the money and personal gains

so goverment should do the same , should afford incentive some kind.. huge reward.

all these money going to amisom should go to somali security and the public helping the goverment.

alshabab are the people and they will be stopped , if there's public support/better security/ and controll system/

Maqane · September 7, 2013

YoniZ;976469 wrote:

Shebab is ideology which blossom in chaos situations. The solution is not simple but doable in two methods:

1-

Fight the ideology with ideology.

2- Solve the chaos with improved security and

give youth hope.

Good example of both points can be found in Egypt nineties and again the same country today. The groups that carried fanatic atrocities are defeated in taming them ideologically in the late nineties, and sadly today the same groups are reawakened because of the chaos in that country.

walaalkis;976467 wrote:

Lack of proper trained security personal.

Lack of proper equipment to do sufficient work

Lack of communication within the security personal

Lack of trust in the government.

Lack of knowledge and expertise in defense department

Lack of experience and suitable personal to hold the goverment positions for the job.