Somalia Redux?

[xiinfaniin]

Assessing new Somali Federal Government

 

http://csis.org/files/publication/130819_Bryden_SomaliaRedux_WEB.pdf

[QansaxMeygaag]

^^

What did you make of it?

[Miyir]

one thing stands out is over eagerness to accommodate the separatist movements in the north and desire to crash Kismaayo group whatever it takes.

[xiinfaniin]

I thought his assessment of Somaliland's political hand with respecting to its negotiation with SGF was most interesting.

 

 

Somaliland’s fortunes are also at a low ebb. More than 22 years after its unilateral declaration of in dependence, Somaliland has yet to be recognized by a single foreign government. The widespread international recognition of the SFG, irrespective of its em-

pirical weakness, pushes the likelihood of third-party recognition even further out of reach. Moreover, international sympathy for Somaliland’s cause has been closely tied to the territory’s track record in democratization and human rights. But Somaliland’s electoral

cycle is currently in disarray: local elections in November 2012 were less orderly than past polls and the results fiercely contested, leading for the first time to several deaths and damaging public confidence in the electoral process. Parliamentary elections, originally

scheduled for 2010, are already three years overdue, and elections to the legislature’s upper house, known as the Guurti, have never taken place: no electoral law governing the Guurti even exists because of resistance from its incumbent members. A bitter internal feud over the question of voter registration may result in further postponement of the next parlia-mentary and presidential elections (currently scheduled for 2015), imperiling Somaliland’s entire democratic process.

 

Equally problematic, in the context of political dialogue, is the diminishing credibility of the Somaliland government’s claim that it represents a cross-section of the territory’s clans. Vocal minorities have long opposed Somaliland’s quest for independence, arguing

that it is an agenda associated solely with the dominant ***** clan. Previous administrations could refute this claim by pointing to the genuine participation of members of all clans at all levels, across the government. Somaliland’s last president, Dahir Rayale Kahin,who governed from 2002 until 2010, was a member of the Gadabursi clan; Parliament and the Supreme Court, National Electoral Commission, and police force have also generally been headed by non-***** officials. Today, however, all of these institutions are headed by members of the *****, tarnishing Somaliland’s past credentials as a genuinely pluralistic, democratic polity.

[Homunculus]

xiinfaniin;974341 wrote:

Equally problematic, in the context of political dialogue, is the diminishing credibility of the Somaliland government’s claim that it represents a cross-section of the territory’s clans. Vocal minorities have long opposed Somaliland’s quest for independence, arguing

that it is an agenda associated solely with the dominant ***** clan. Previous administrations could refute this claim by pointing to the genuine participation of members of all clans at all levels, across the government. Somaliland’s last president, Dahir Rayale Kahin,who governed from 2002 until 2010, was a member of the Gadabursi clan; Parliament and the Supreme Court, National Electoral Commission, and police force have also generally been headed by non-***** officials. Today, however, all of these institutions are headed by members of the *****, tarnishing Somaliland’s past credentials as a genuinely pluralistic, democratic polity.

Absolutely. I remember when a dear friend of mine kept trying to convince me of the virtues of a separate Somaliland and that was his main selling point. Somaliland got tired of this facade and now is consolidating all the power in the hands of a sub clan.

[Tallaabo]

Homunculus;974343 wrote:

Absolutely. I remember when a dear friend of mine kept trying to convince me of the virtues of a separate Somaliland and that was his main selling point. Somaliland got tired of this facade and now is consolidating all the power in the hands of a sub clan.

Somaliland is composed of thirteen clans. The Jesus clan, the Awdal clan, the Khatumo clan, the East Sanaag clan, the Monkey clan, the Fox clan, the Gabiley clan, the sand dwellers, the Habar of Jonah clan, the Arab clan, the prophet Job clan, the harmless clan, and the HAG of north clan. All these clans are equally represented in the Somaliland power structures so the mantra of "one clan dominates the government" is just the propaganda of certain groups and it seems this author was deceived by their tricks.

[Homunculus]

Tallaabo;974361 wrote:

Somaliland is composed of thirteen clans. The Jesus clan, the Awdal clan, the Khatumo clan, the East Sanaag clan, the Monkey clan, the Fox clan, the Gabiley clan, the sand dwellers, the Habar of Jonah clan, the Arab clan, the prophet Job clan, the harmless clan, and the HAG of north clan. All these clans are equally represented in the Somaliland power structures so the mantra of "one clan dominates the government" is just the propaganda of certain groups and it seems this author was deceived by their tricks.

Monkey clan? sand dwellers? to say that clans are equally represented is a lie, and even if you say that they are proportionally represented would be wishful thinking. The structure of Somaliland concentrates the power in the hands of the president and his cabinet and we all know who controls the most important ones. Token cabinet posts and bribes is what keeps things from unraveling.

[Classified]

Miyir;974274 wrote:

one thing stands out is over eagerness to accommodate the separatist movements in the north and desire to crash Kismaayo group whatever it takes.

The Separatist movement in Hargeisa is perhaps supported by the very foreign entities that finances the SFG in Mogadishu. British and EU support the Hargeisa-based Administration called Somaliland. It has been supporting it since the 1990s. I don't think you can compare Somaliland with Jubbaland, an idea that isn't entirely formed nor has the backing of any Western government.

[Jacpher]

Classified;974368 wrote:

The Separatist movement in Hargeisa is perhaps supported by the very

foreign entities

that finances the SFG in Mogadishu.

British and EU

support the Hargeisa-based Administration called Somaliland. It has been supporting it since the 1990s. I don't think you can compare Somaliland with Jubbaland, an idea that isn't entirely formed nor has the backing of any

Western government.

SL is better than JL because SL is brought to you by foreign entities since 1990 miyaa argument-gaaga?

[Classified]

Jacpher;974392 wrote:

SL is better than JL because SL is brought to you by foreign entities since 1990 miyaa argument-gaaga?

YES. Not only since 1990s. But, you get the point.

[Tallaabo]

Homunculus;974364 wrote:

Monkey clan? sand dwellers? to say that clans are equally represented is a lie, and even if you say that they are proportionally represented would be wishful thinking. The structure of Somaliland concentrates the power in the hands of the president and his cabinet and we all know who controls the most important ones. Token cabinet posts and bribes is what keeps things from unraveling.

Yes proportional representation is the correct way of saying it and yes Somaliland's political structure concentrates power at the hands of the executive that is why we have constant political crisis and deadlocks. Our democratic system is far from being perfect but nevertheless it works well for the people. I am not in favour of maintaining this current form of Somaliland's power structure, indeed it should be reformed root and branch with the judiciary and parliament gaining more power to make the country a viable entity but it is also not a good idea to use the shortcomings of the government in power in order to undermine the whole system. Without democracy and the rule of law what will bring the people and clans of Somaliland together in a harmonious way?

[Wiil Cusub]

xiinfaniin;974225 wrote:

Assessing new Somali Federal Government

 

http://csis.org/files/publication/130819_Bryden_SomaliaRedux_WEB.pdf

balabalaaa ka timid dilaaliinta silica iyo darxumada somalida

 

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