warsamaale Posted July 16, 2013 Garoodi, history is written by the winners ma maqashay. you can write your own fictional history you know, yaa ka mamnuucay. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Haatu Posted July 16, 2013 Wallee this Gaaroodi guy is sick. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Khadafi Posted July 16, 2013 Haatu;969163 wrote: Wallee this Gaaroodi guy is sick. Tribalism does that to a lot of people lol I wonder if he wakes up to the nightmares of the dervishes? Historical revisionism as its worst state is always a favorite for the tribalists Haatu. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mintid Farayar Posted July 16, 2013 Garoodi presented quite a number of first-hand accounts of the discussed events written by the British fighting the Darwiish. Instead of attacking the man, does anyone have a different narrative to buttress the 'Kacaan' version of events? If not, then sit back and let him 'take you to school'. His motivations are between 'isaga iyo Allah'! Advice to Garoodi: Stay away from the broad lumping of all members of a clan together. The 'Kacaan' had its tribal agenda but many of the same lineage were innocent bystanders who neither benefited nor participated in that sad history. Many hold on to the myths of the Kacaan (that you've effectively exposed here) as a coping mechanism for the debacle that has befallen them post 1991. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Che -Guevara Posted July 17, 2013 It's good change actually, we went from cussing darawiish to claiming them-good on you reer Somalileen As for the rest, Mr Caps, I am not sure for whose benefit is all this for? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GAROODI Posted July 17, 2013 Classified;969147 wrote: Let's say I agree with you for the sake of argument. Maxa Korfield keenay dhulkayaga? Bal yaa weydistay oo ku yidhi cunto iinoo keen? Yacni, it's like the Palestinians arguing that Ariel Sharon was helping them in the 1948. LOL According to the British they could not care for the interior of SOMALILAND all they were interested in was the coast and for that they signed protection treaties to use the coast so no other foreign power would. When it comes to why did they come into the interior. The dervishes created problems for the people of the interior which subsequently had an effect on the coast and tr British felt obliged to assist to keep order. This was a time foreign powers were expanding and they would do whatever it took. Even the British argue they were in SOMALILAND for the coast and Hilib that's it really. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GAROODI Posted July 17, 2013 Mintid Farayar;969188 wrote: Garoodi presented quite a number of first-hand accounts of the discussed events written by the British fighting the Darwiish. Instead of attacking the man, does anyone have a different narrative to buttress the 'Kacaan' version of events? If not, then sit back and let him 'take you to school'. His motivations are between 'isaga iyo Allah'! Advice to Garoodi: Stay away from the broad lumping of all members of a clan together. The 'Kacaan' had its tribal agenda but many of the same lineage were innocent bystanders who neither benefited nor participated in that sad history. Many hold on to the myths of the Kacaan (that you've effectively exposed here) as a coping mechanism for the debacle that has befallen them post 1991. Point taken: even I am human. This is not about tribe what angers me is the fake narrative of history still used for tribal bravado. I understand that tribes are tribes they contain sick people like idaja and aw Jamac and good people as well who didn't ask for this fabrication. The kacaan narrative is built on ismael mirre... So to prove my historical records are wrong one needs to show a source of ismael mirre in British intelligence papers that's the simple logic. If they claim ismael mirre killed corfield, ismael mirre chopped off his hand etc then show us even his name in the British intelligence papers simple. The truth is idaja and aw Jamac are criminals: when you kill a man its only one man but when I fake history I intend to kill a people. That's the logic they used. Thy should be arrested. Even the narrative used today amongst Somalis is this narrative so it must be corrected. Even Ali Galayd walks around Nairobi saying " somali ana USO halganay" in reference to the dervishes. The reality is ismail mirre was 14 years old and a stable boy and if history was faked then it should not be used Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Classified Posted July 17, 2013 Che -Guevara;969220 wrote: It's good change actually, we went from cussing darawiish to claiming them-good on you reer Somalileen As for the rest, Mr Caps, I am not sure for whose benefit is all this for? Garoodi's Motto: If I cant' beat them (their history), I'll join them (claim it as my own). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GAROODI Posted July 17, 2013 Classified;969226 wrote: Garoodi's Motto: If I cant' beat them (their history), I'll join them (claim it as my own). That the logic of idaja and aw Jamac the kacaan disney factory and I have proven it to you. Care to show me were ismael mirre is documented in any intelligence report ??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GAROODI Posted July 17, 2013 "In 1910 , in the British House of common , the goverment soothingly stated that the power of the Mad Mullah was now completely broken. But in 1911 , Mahammed Abdille Hassan attacked the La canod folk , took their stoclks , and moved again into the pasture land of the Nogal Vally. Tales reached the British in Berbera that the Sayyid was becoming more ruthless with the disenting tribes that he was mutilating prisoners." page 43 Heart Of A Stranger Kacaan historians argue the las canod folk first supported the movement, they were the movement and ismael mirre was the top general and was brave etc. this is the only reason why they say even today dervish banu nahay somali ban USO halganay and Sado Cali and Cali Galayd still run around arguing this in the 21st century. the above shows the House of Commons debate on the true reality: so how did they do it: make others look brave while being victims. Aw Jaamac known full well pointing out those above facts will spoil his narrative of the "brave" Las canod folk "warriors" that fended off the camel police in that historical day and managed to keep the loot. So this how Aw Jaamac did it , instead of saying the Las canod folk were attacked and were looted by Dervish he put it this way " Daraawiish oo geel iyo xoolo ka soo qaaday beel ka mid ahayd beelaa Burco ka dhow", and then he proceded to say " beeshii geela laga qaaday iyo ciidankiiI Ingiriis baa isku helay hoosada buurta Dul-madoobe".. One gets the impression hearing the word "beelaa burco ka dhow" that they were Landers and that was Aw Jaamac's intention , it was a clever lie , if he was caught he would say well the Las canod folk too live close to Burco?? so it was taken by his d block as though the camles and the people who were attacked were Ianders. No shame Walahi......now that is what I call hate. A hate which derives from many different factors I don't want to mention to hide what shame is left in them plus its Ramadan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GAROODI Posted July 17, 2013 Notice how the lander leadership of the dervish are all dead but the rest surrenderd the night before according to the British: dervish banu nahay sheko is finished. "It was now apparent that all the remnants of the Dervish force from the Medishe and Jidali area were converging on Taleex; and the tribal leaders, although they had no proof, were convinced that the Mullah was in the fortress. A large party of Dervishes escorting the Mullah's main caravan had been successfully engaged by the Tribal Levy while trying to make their way into Taleex. During the fight many notorious Dervishes had been killed, 274 THE MAD MULLAH OF SOMALILAND including Haji Sudi, the ex-naval interpreter, and Ibrahim Boghol, the commander of the Mullah's forces in the northern area. The captures comprised many of the Mullah's personal belongings, his correspondence, his clothing and jewellery and, in addition, 1,400 camels, 450 cows, 50 ponies, 51 rifles, 2,000 rounds of ammunition, and 300 camel loads of supplies. The Camel Corps had joined Gibb on the road to Gaolo which they reached together on the evening of the 8th February. On the following morning the Mullah's second son Abdurrahman Jahid, a feckless youth, and his uncle, Haji Osman, who had deserted the haroun overnight were brought into the Camel Corps zariba. They stated that the Mullah was in Taleex but would have left the previous evening, had it not been for the presence of 200 men of the Tribal Levy who were in the vicinity watching developments. They were confident that the Mullah would leave that night. Acting on this information, which might or might not be trustworthy, Ismay and Gibb decided to make a demonstration round Taleex that evening". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GAROODI Posted July 17, 2013 Those who want to see it for themselves: these books use the following sources all highlight not one ismael Miire but argue my case: read them for yourselves: King's College London Archives King's College London Strand, London WC2R 2LS United Kingdom telephone: 020 7848 2015 (general enquiries and appointments) ISMAY: 3/1/20 1919 May 21 Summary by Ismay (as intelligence officer 1916-18), Burao Somaliland, of intelligence in British Somaliland 1915-Dec 1918, including description of forts; Dervish organisation; Dervish tactics 1914-1917; notes on Dervish personalities (pp 64-74 missing but see 3/1/22); genealogical table of the Mullah (Mahomed bin Abdulla Hassan); map of portion of Somaliland (scale 1:1,000,000 GSGS 1781, revised 1906). Typescript 116pp and map ISMAY: 3/1/22 [1919] Draft by Ismay of Dervish personalities with section on the Mullah (Mahomed bin Abdulla Hassan) for inclusion in summary (3/1/20-draft of missing pp 64-74) of intelligence in British Somaliland 1915-Dec 1918; extract from a letter from the Mullah mocking British alliances as indicating weakness. Manuscript and typescript 12pp ISMAY: 3/1/21 [1919] Draft by Ismay of Dervish organisation included in summary (3/1/20) of intelligence in British Somaliland 1915-Dec 1918. Typescript carbon 5pp ISMAY: 3/1/25 1920 Jan 4-Feb 9 Diary with daily entries by Ismay outlining operations in Somaliland with the Somaliland Camel Corps. Manuscript 11pp ISMAY: 3/1/26 1920 Feb 1-17 Diary with daily entries by Ismay outlining operations in Somaliland with the Somaliland Camel Corps. Manuscript 18pp ISMAY: 3/1/48 1920 Feb 8-9 Message from Col H S Pinder, War Office, to Lt Col Ismay reporting the capture of the Mullah's stock, similar activities of Col Wilkinson, SNO's capture, after bombardment, of Galbaribur fort, the Mullah's precipitate flight from Hela near Medishe, Somaliland and supplies forwarded with Lt Edlington; message from Col G H Summers, Officer Commanding Somaliland Field Force, Eil Afweina, Somaliland to Lt Col Ismay with news and plans. Manuscript 7pp ISMAY: 3/1/57 1920 Feb 10-20 Message from Lt J W Watts, Hudin to Ismay, Sicerder forwarding messages and arranging convoy of supplies. With message from Col H S Pinder, El Afweina, Somaliland to Ismay requesting information and forwarding orders; message from Col G H Summers to Ismay stating decision taken at Eil Dur Elan, with Governor and officer commanding 'Z' Force, to bomb Tale, Somaliland three days running, detailing plans in event of Tale's capture and possible open door left for the Mullah, (Mahomed bin Abdulla Hassan) and requesting that the Governor place the 'Friendlies' under Ismay's command. Manuscript 8pp ISMAY: 3/1/77 1920 Mar 28-Apr 10 Letter from Col G H Summers, commanding Somaliland Field Force Berbera, Somaliland to Governor and Commander in Chief Somaliland Protectorate with report by Summers on military operations carried out in conjunction with the RAF in expedition against the Dervishes Sep 1919-Feb 1920, with the following officers mentioned: Maj C A L Howard; Gp Capt (Col) R Gordon, officer commanding Z Unit RAF; Lt Col J S Wilkinson, KAR; Capt S G Allden, RASC; Capt J F Codman; Maj A S Lawrence, political officer; Capt R Le Fleming, 1/101 Grenadiers; Maj H Rayne, MC, late KAR; Col G R Breading, Somaliland Protectorate. With copies of telegrams received and despatched by officer commanding Somaliland Field Force 2-11 Feb 1920 (gives date of receipt of Ismay's messages); report of field state of Somaliland Field Force Jan 1920 and casualty return Nov 1919-Mar 1920; reports on wireless telegraph operations; report by Summers on supply situation before Dec 1919; report by Capt S G Allden, QS officer Berbera, Somaliland on supply work during operations Jan-Mar 1920; report by Capt S G Allden, QS officer Berbera, on camel transport employed during operations Jan-Mar 1920; Medical Report by Lt Col J S Wilkinson, commanding B Force Somaliland Field Force Musha Aled, and Capt M F Murphy, Senior Medical Officer B Force; Medical Report by Surgeon Cdr E Cameron, RN, Senior Medical Officer B Force; Report by Capt E LeFleming, commanding Wing 1/101 Grenadiers (Indian Army), on operations: Preliminary 1920 Jan 18-Mar 6; advance on Jidali, 1920 and operations there; and return to base at Eil Dur Elan, Somaliland. Typescript carbon 121pp ISMAY: 3/1/82 1921 Mar 4 Reprint of the despatch from Sir Geoffrey C Archer to the Secretary of State for the Colonies on operations in British Somaliland 1915-1919 published in the London Gazette, (London, HMSO, 1919). Printed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GAROODI Posted July 17, 2013 British Library: Asia, Pacific and Africa Collections. 96 Euston Road London NW1 2DB England Tel: 020 7412 7873 Fax: 020 7412 7641 Collection 324A/117 Operations against the dervishes 1914-1917. IOR/L/MIL/7/14621 1914-1918 Collection 324A/118 Interchange of intelligence reports between Somaliland and Aden. IOR/L/MIL/7/14622 1915 Collection 324A/121 Memorandum for 1909 regarding situation in Somaliland received from Foreign Office. IOR/L/MIL/7/14625 1910 Collection 324A/131 Somaliland operations, 1919: report and recommendations for reward, measures to prevent mullah's escape (Mullah Mahommed Abdullah). IOR/L/MIL/7/14634 1919-1933 documents are held at British Library, Asia, Pacific and Africa Collections Somaliland Expedition 1902-1904: Base diary IOR/L/MIL/5/700 Feb 1903-Jun 1904 Somaliland Expedition 1902-1904: Col A.N. Rochfort's Staff diary IOR/L/MIL/5/701 Jan 1903-Apr 1904 Somaliland Expedition 1902-1904: Staff diary, lines of communication, Obbia Force IOR/L/MIL/5/702 Feb 1903-Jun 1903 Somaliland Expedition 1902-1904: Staff diary, lines of communication, Berbera-Bohotle IOR/L/MIL/5/703 Dec 1902-Jun 1904 Collection 425/742 Operations against "Mad Mullah" (Dervishes) at Las Korai (Somaliland); despatch of double company of 58th Vaughan's Rifles; outbreak of scurvy among troops. IOR/L/MIL/7/17920 1916-1918 Folio 81: telegram from Commissioner of the Somaliland Protectorate to Secretary of State for the Colonies 13th August 1914, anticipated Dervish concentration in the Ain has not materialised. No further developments reported from Jidali except successful spread of Dervish propaganda in that locality by the ex naval interpreter Haji Sudi. Collection 324A/111 Dervish attack on Camel Corps and capture of Burao: subsequent situation. IOR/L/MIL/7/14614 1913-1914 Collection 324A/110 Dervish attack on Camel Corps, Somaliland, 9 August 1913: despatch of reinforcements from Aden. IOR/L/MIL/7/14613 1913-1915 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GAROODI Posted July 17, 2013 The two greatest fraudsters in somali history: Idaja: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=3nSzybgHjpY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen> An aw Jamac talking his usual jibirish I think He makes it up as he goes along: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GAROODI Posted July 17, 2013 Today's victims of idaja and aw Jamacs mind fu(@ing. Dervish banu nahay.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
