Breaking news: Egypt Coup d'état, Morsy overthrown.

[Carafaat]

If Mursi believed in socialist, liberal, gay marriage or other anti-muslim ideologies he would not have been overthrown.

But because Islam is his ideology, he was opposed by anti-muslims or secularist as I call them.

[kickz]

Carafaat;967703 wrote:

If Mursi believed in socialist, liberal, gay marriage or other anti-muslim ideologies he would not have been overthrown.

But because Islam is his ideology, he was opposed by anti-muslims or secularist as I call them.

Exactly this has nothing to do with democracy, this is purely anti-Islamic agenda. And these dictators("Kings") in Saudi Arabia and Qatar pouring in billions of dollars of support for the Egyptian military are doing so because they fear Islam coming to power. Because if Islam comes to power then their own people will revolt against them and demand it as well.

[DoctorKenney]

Naxar Nugaaleed;966579 wrote:

In the biggiest political protest, the beating heart of the Arab world has spoken: no to dictatorships, no to pseudo democratic theocracy. The choice should not be between dictatorship or the other kind of dictatorship, theocracy. What Egypt needs is not leaders busy issuing head scarf fatwas but job creation policies.

You're speaking about a theocracy as if it's a bad thing! What kind of poisonous mentality is this?

 

That's like saying "The Canadian Prime Minister Harper should not focus on enforcing the drug laws, or the highway speeding laws, and instead focus on growing the economy and growing jobs"

 

Which is the most idiotic train of thought when you think about it. Being the Leader of a country encompasses all fields. So yes Naxar, it includes enforcing laws as well as making the right economic policy decisions.

 

Only someone with an irrational Secularist mentality would think like this.

[DoctorKenney]

Naxar Nugaaleed;966825 wrote:

The military should never have allowed the Islamic brotherhood to contest the election. Egyptions wanted democracy and they are smart enough to not let a bunch of Neanderthals hijack all their hard Wark. Islamic political party is an oxymoron, these people should stay in their mosques and leave governing to competent people trained in that field. As for all this bs about secularist, there is a simple difference between a secularist and those for theocracies: one will die so that you may exercise your rights and other will kill you for doing. It's thanks to secularism that all of you in the west can practice your believes in peace. If these "gaalo" thought like some of you, we would all be attending mass on Sunday. Caqlixumo.

The people should stay in their mosques and leave competent people to govern? Are you implying that if a Muslim is practicing, and is religious, then this automatically entails that he isn't skilled in other fields as well? Since when is it unheard of where you find Men who are devout Muslims, but who are also successful Doctors, Businessmen and Engineers. In fact, I would argue that someone who is truly practicing Islam would make the best and most professional workers.

 

Also, in Shariah, in Islamic Law which you so despise...there's this concept called No Compulsion in Religion. Do you know what that is Naxar? Have you heard of it? Because in Islamic "Theocracies", a Christian or a Jew can freely practice their religion and follow their own religious laws. And anyone who is remotely aware of Islamic History would know that.

 

In fact, by this logic, I wouldn't mind if the United States became a Christian Theocracy, as long as I can freely practice Islam and not be harassed. To think that rejecting secularism would lead to loss of ability to practice your own religion, as if the two aren't mutually exclusive! Caqlixumo warya

[warsamaale]

do you agree with imposing Jizya tax on christians and others non-muslims ?

[DoctorKenney]

warsamaale;967744 wrote:

do you agree with imposing

Jizya tax

on christians and others non-muslims ?

Is this some sort of a trick question? Of course I agree with it

[warsamaale]

DoctorKenney;967831 wrote:

Of course I agree with it

Then why are you asking if its a trick question ?, where do you reside currently ?

[DoctorKenney]

warsamaale;967848 wrote:

Then why are you asking if its a trick question ?, where do you reside currently ?

In the United States, a country where I've lived all my life and where I currently pay a substantial portion of my earnings in income tax.

[warsamaale]

would you be happy if the government imposed a special tax on you as muslim that did not apply to christian americans. income tax waa loo wada siman yahay i know. just think about it ?

[Tillamook]

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Waryaa adiga ma gaal baad tahay?

[DoctorKenney]

warsamaale;967865 wrote:

would you be happy if the government imposed a special tax on you as muslim that did not apply to christian americans. income tax waa loo wada siman yahay i know. just think about it ?

What kind of irrational argument is this? You're arguing whether I should be happy if the government imposed a special tax on me because I'm a Muslim? Is that you determine whether the law is effective or just....just by whether someone is "happy" about the application of the law? If the American Congress decides to raise income taxes by 5%, sure I won't be happy about it....but is that how you determine whether a law is just?

 

Stop with these Mickey Mouse arguments. They make no sense. Under Shariah, Muslims have to pay this special tax on their income called a "Zakat". Have you heard of Zakat? Do you know what it is?

 

Are you actually insisting that Muslims are forced to pay a tax (which is what Zakat essentially is, it's a tax) but the Christians/Jews should be exempt from paying any taxes, despite the fact that they're citizens of the State and share in the rights of responsibilities of everyone else?

 

How dare you call these double standards fair? I fully support the application of the Jizyah tax.

[warsamaale]

Haye, sheekada maadey miyaad bilawday sxb ? takfiri waaxid

[warsamaale]

what about the copts buildings churches ? should they be allowed to or not ?

[kickz]

DoctorKenney;967872 wrote:

What kind of irrational argument is this? You're arguing whether I should be happy if the government imposed a special tax on me because I'm a Muslim? Is that you determine whether the law is effective or just....just by whether someone is "happy" about the application of the law? If the American Congress decides to raise income taxes by 5%, sure I won't be happy about it....but is that how you determine whether a law is just?

 

Stop with these Mickey Mouse arguments. They make no sense. Under Shariah, Muslims have to pay this special tax on their income called a "Zakat". Have you heard of Zakat? Do you know what it is?

 

Are you actually insisting that Muslims are forced to pay a tax (which is what Zakat essentially is, it's a tax) but the Christians/Jews should be exempt from paying any taxes, despite the fact that they're citizens of the State and share in the rights of responsibilities of everyone else?

 

How dare you call these double standards fair? I fully support the application of the Jizyah tax.

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[kickz]

Nice so the money started rolling in for the oppsition even before Morsi took office. I wonder how many "democratic rules" he broke before he was swore in.

Exclusive:

US bankrolled anti-Morsi activists

Documents reveal US money trail to Egyptian groups that pressed for president's removal

Berkeley, United States - President Barack Obama recently stated the United States was not taking sides as Egypt's crisis came to a head with the military overthrow of the democratically elected president.

 

But a review of dozens of US federal government documents shows Washington has quietly funded senior Egyptian opposition figures who called for toppling of the country's now-deposed president Mohamed Morsi.

 

Documents obtained by the Investigative Reporting Program at UC Berkeley show the US channeled funding through a State Department programme to promote democracy in the Middle East region. This programme vigorously supported activists and politicians who have fomented unrest in Egypt, after autocratic president Hosni Mubarak was ousted in a popular uprising in February 2011.

 

The State Department's programme, dubbed by US officials as a "democracy assistance" initiative, is part of a wider Obama administration effort to try to stop the retreat of pro-Washington secularists, and to win back influence in Arab Spring countries that saw the rise of Islamists, who largely oppose US interests in the Middle East.

 

 

Activists bankrolled by the programme include an exiled Egyptian police officer who plotted the violent overthrow of the Morsi government, an anti-Islamist politician who advocated closing mosques and dragging preachers out by force, as well as a coterie of opposition politicians who pushed for the ouster of the country's first democratically elected leader, government documents show.

 

Information obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, interviews, and public records reveal Washington's "democracy assistance" may have violated Egyptian law, which prohibits foreign political funding.

 

It may also have broken US government regulations that ban the use of taxpayers' money to fund foreign politicians, or finance subversive activities that target democratically elected governments.

 

'Bureau for Democracy'

 

Washington's democracy assistance programme for the Middle East is filtered through a pyramid of agencies within the State Department. Hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars is channeled through the Bureau for Democracy, Human Rights and Labor (DRL), The Middle East Partnership Initiative (MEPI), USAID, as well as the Washington-based, quasi-governmental organisation the National Endowment for Democracy (NED).

 

In turn, those groups re-route money to other organisations such as the International Republican Institute, the National Democratic Institute (NDI), and Freedom House, among others. Federal documents show these groups have sent funds to certain organisations in Egypt, mostly run by senior members of anti-Morsi political parties who double as NGO activists.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2013/07/2013710113522489801.html

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