Breaking news: Egypt Coup d'état, Morsy overthrown.

[Mad_Mullah]

Egyptians are a joke.

 

Morsi let the Mubarak channels stay, even though they were the ones hyping people against the MB, and within a few hours the military has closed down all of the Islamic channels and even al-Jazeera.

 

We will see these people again in 2014.

 

Warsamale and the other Gaal will blame this on their Deen, but the MB hardly put in place any Islamic laws, it's just that they're afraid that there will be a strong Islamic front represented by Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Syria.

 

They will make sure a secular pro-USA/Israel government is put in place in Egypt, same with Tunisia, Libya is already a puppet state.

in Syria they will create a secular state or they will let Bashar stay in power.

[Mintid Farayar]

Carafaat;966591 wrote:

The hypocrisy of the US/West has no limits. When the democratic elected leader of a country isn't to their liking they support a

coupe d'etat

. And the Egyptian people fell into the trap. They first demonstrate for democracy and elections and less then a year later some of them protest the same democratic elected leader they choose, giving the US backed military a window of opportunity. This will lead only lead to more polarization and more dissatisfaction with their systems, institutions and decay of their cohesive society.

 

I wonder if there are some lessons to be learned from this recent example in Egypt?

 

 

 

Carafaat,

 

For the past week, the feeling among anti-Morsi protesters has been that the U.S. and Obama, personally, support Mursi and the Muslim Brotherhood. There were countless posters all over Cairo saying "Obama, stop supporting the MB". The current U.S. Ambassador, Patterson, has been attacked in the mainstream Egyptian secular media as supporting the MB.

 

This is a misunderstanding on the part of the Egyptian anti-MB elements. The U.S. administration has concerns regarding the precedent of coups being mounted on each successive elected leader after each sizeable demonstration on the streets. That's not democracy.... That's mob justice. Having said that, there is also the understanding that a large portion of Mursi's problems were self-inflected by his paranoid, somewhat authoritarian actions while in office for that one year.

 

So I don't know what gave you the impression that this is a U.S.-supported coup.

 

While not in Egypt itself, I'm currently in the region. The overwhelming majority of Egyptians I've asked in the past 3 days are ardently anti-Mursi and support the military mounting a coup(they range in backrounds from waiters to professionals, all of them Muslim). I've debated with them the merits of letting democratic processes take their course and allowing Mursi to serve out his term, after which he can easily be voted out of office. But they didn't care for that argument and wished for an immediate removal by any means. That's the current sentiment. You can see in the television footage how much larger the anti-Mursi crowds are compared to the pro-Mursi ones.

 

Mob justice.....

[xiinfaniin]

warsamaale;966604 wrote:

things will improve if there is no violence.

Morsi is the commander of chief of Egyptian military. If generals opently disobeyed him and deposed, why would anyone expect for the millions who elected Morsi to obey those who are in clear violation with the constitution? I was talking to Egyptians today , and they were certain what happened today will lead to a civil war in Egypt.

 

It is more likely than not that there will be a violence. Watch Obama's response : he is indeed on the spot. He cannot dodge this one.

[Mintid Farayar]

This is what the anti-Mursi crowd thinks of the U.S. and Obama. They think Obama supports Mursi!

 

 

 

 

[xiinfaniin]

King Abdullahi of Saudi Arabia congratulates Egyptian military :D

[Mad_Mullah]

They are a bunch of peasants, that don't understand anything. The media is still in the hands of Mubarak's people that makes them think that Obama and Morsi are best friends.

 

America has a relationship with Egypt, not presidents, that was with Mubarak, Morsi and the next president.

[Mad_Mullah]

Jordan also congratulates the Egyptian military. All the puppets are celebrating.

[Mintid Farayar]

From the Washington Post:

 

As Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi weathers a storm of opposition that could pave the way for a military coup, Washington and its ambassador in Cairo have emerged as lightning rods. Those calling for the dismissal of Morsi say the United States became too cozy with the Muslim Brotherhood, the political and social movement that brought the Islamist leader to power. The Brotherhood, meanwhile, warns that the United States is failing to speak out loudly and clearly against a military coup in the making.

 

After voicing support for Morsi, the Obama administration appeared to distance itself from him this week, with the White House issuing a statement saying that President Obama had told the embattled Egyptian leader in a phone call that the United States “does not support any single party or group.”

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/egypts-political-turmoil-puts-obama-administration-in-precarious-position/2013/07/02/00e957e0-e361-11e2-a11e-c2ea876a8f30_story.html

[Nin-Yaaban]

xiinfaniin;966609 wrote:

Morsi

is

the commander of chief of Egyptian military. If generals opently disobeyed him and deposed, why would anyone expect for the millions who elected Morsi to obey those who are in clear violation with the constitution? I was talking to Egyptians today , and they were certain what happened today will lead to a civil war in Egypt.

 

It is more likely than not that there will be a violence. Watch Obama's response : he is indeed on the spot. He cannot dodge this one.

From what little I know about Masr, the military has always had the final say if there ever was a political impass like this now. If the military can dissolve or suspend the constitution anytime there is disagreement, than they need to write a better constitution than what they have now.

[Classified]

There won't be a Civil War in Egypt, as I have just noticed. If the West supports whoever is in power (Military, Secularists), then Morsi and his supporters won't have an outside force financing them and supporting them with weapons like the FSA of Syria. lol

[Mad_Mullah]

Classified;966618 wrote:

There won't be a Civil War in Egypt, as I have just noticed. If the West supports whoever is in power (Military, Secularists), then Morsi and his supporters won't have an outside force financing them and supporting them with weapons like the FSA of Syria. lol

Civil war has nothing to do with outside financing. FSA started the fight without financing and still doesn't get much. Syria on the other hand gets help from Russia, China, Iran and Hezbollah + Iraqi/Lebanese/Afghan Shias.

[Mintid Farayar]

Classified;966618 wrote:

There won't be a Civil War in Egypt, as I have just noticed. If the West supports whoever is in power (Military, Secularists), then Morsi and his supporters won't have an outside force financing them and supporting them with weapons like the FSA of Syria. lol

Obviously, you're not aware of the Qatari-financing of the Muslim Brotherhood. This has created a rift between Qatar on one side and the U.A.E and Saudi Arabia on the other(the U.A.E. and Saudis are strongly opposed to the Muslim Brotherhood, Ikhwan Muslimiin). The U.A.E. just sentenced a large number of its citizens to long jail sentences just a few days ago for being members of the Muslim Brotherhood.

[Classified]

Mad_Mullah;966620 wrote:

Civil war has nothing to do with outside financing.

FSA started the fight without financing and still doesn't get much

. Syria on the other hand gets help from Russia, China, Iran and Hezbollah + Iraqi/Lebanese/Afghan Shias.

Are you sure? FSA came into existence with confidence it had from outside influence. Syria's government is a legitimate government recognized by the United Nations. Not to mention, Syria's government has stock piles of weapons, ammunitions and other sources to defend itself.

 

Morsi's supporters (MB) will have to throw stones like their fellow sisters in Gaza and West Bank. LOL

[Mintid Farayar]

Mintid Farayar;966621 wrote:

Obviously, you're not aware of the Qatari-financing of the Muslim Brotherhood. This has created a rift between Qatar on one side and the U.A.E and Saudi Arabia on the other(the U.A.E. and Saudis are strongly opposed to the Muslim Brotherhood, Ikhwan Muslimiin). The U.A.E. just sentenced a large number of its citizens to long jail sentences just a few days ago for being members of the Muslim Brotherhood.

 

The Financial Times reports on the close relationship between Qatar and the Muslim Brotherhood, as well as the ripple effects of Mursi's fall on Qatari Foreign Policy.

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July 3, 2013 8:42 pm

Fall of Egypt’s Mohamed Morsi is blow to Qatari leadership

By Simeon Kerr in Dubai

When Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad al-Thani, Qatar’s 33-year-old emir, came to power last week, observers worried that his youthful lack of experience would soon be tested in the febrile regional atmosphere.

Few predicted that challenge would come within a week as Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi’s Muslim Brotherhood-led government fell, and the credibility of Qatar’s activist foreign policy took a major blow.

 

If Cairo is the centre of the Arab world, Qatar’s support for post-Mubarak Egypt has run to the heart of Doha’s backing of Islamist groups since the revolutions of the Arab uprising swept across north Africa.

Qatar has poured $8bn of financial support into Egypt, and has been the main Gulf backer of Mr Morsi’s government even if it began its support before he took over.

Its legacy will be associated with that of the leader whose presidency was doomed on Wednesday.

“The climate surrounding Qatar’s foreign policy right now is a sense that they need to manage relationships a bit better,” said Michael Stephens of the Royal United Services Institute in Doha. “The Egyptian crisis is a heavy millstone around Qatar’s neck.”

Doha’s rise from regional mediator to activist was co-ordinated by the former emir and the recently departed foreign and prime minister, Sheikh Hamad bin Jassim. Together, they sought to balance the state’s alliances by hosting the US’s regional military base alongside extremist fringes of Arab politics.

Qatar’s now-departed leadership has been betting that political Islam will fill the vacuum left by ousted Arab autocracies, hoping to harness an alliance that would help secure Qatar’s position.

They backed brotherhood rebel brigades in Libya who helped overturn the regime but now scare others with their formidable armed influence even after doing badly in elections. Doha’s support for the Syrian “brothers” has carved the opposition into a disparate force viewed with suspicion by its western backers.

Now as Mr Morsi loses power, the crisis could plunge Egypt into a period of dangerous instability.

Diplomats say Mr bin Jassim, as well as his deputy who has been promoted to run the foreign ministry, have over the past few months realised the backlash that Qatar’s enthusiastic backing of Mr Morsi was creating.

But while Sheikh Tamim, the new emir, is hinting at a moderation of Qatar’s adventurist foreign policy, analysts say any change will be gradual as Doha’s position is so deeply set.

The links between Qatar and Mr Morsi are rooted in deeper links between the Gulf state and the pan-regional Islamist movement.

The Muslim Brotherhood’s spiritual leader, Yusuf al-Qaradawi, has lived on and off in Doha for decades, using the Gulf state as a base to project his often controversial sermons.

The government-owned Al Jazeera channel has also drawn fire from critics who say it has descended from a groundbreaking independent broadcaster into a platform for Brotherhood views.

Such perceived bias is more fodder for the liberals who warn of creeping Qatari influence in nascent Arab democracies. They claim Doha is backing a Trojan horse for theocracy.

Gulf states are also concerned about upstart Qatar’s objectives, leaving Doha increasingly isolated.

The United Arab Emirates, Qatar’s neighbour, has waged a war of words with Muslim Brotherhood officials.

The UAE has spearheaded a crackdown on domestic Islamists, portraying them as brotherhood lackeys conspiracy aiming to bring down the Gulf monarchies.

Ahmed Shafiq, ousted President Hosni Mubarak’s last prime minister, quickly flew into exile in Abu Dhabi after narrowly losing to Mr Morsi in last year’s presidential elections.

As this Gulf proxy cold war in Egypt heats up, Emirati and Saudi money is waiting to help any interim administration keep the Egyptian economy afloat.

“Qatar got it wrong in Libya, then Syria and now billions of dollars could go down the pan in Egypt,” says one economist. “That money was meant to buy political advantage, but they backed the wrong horse.”

[Nin-Yaaban]

Anytime you have Saudi Arabia + gulf states supporting one side of this conflict, it's best to support the other one. Dadkaan weligaa ha aaminina.