Trinity in Islam?!

[somalee]

There is a concept in Islam that I find very difficult to grasp or understand without making comparisons with the concept of Trinity in Christianity. Its about the subdivision of tawxiid into Rububiya, Uluhiya and Asmaa wasifaat. How can oneness be subdivided into three, and why exactly 3? I heard a Somali salafi sheikh explain this in a lecture and he claimed that all supplications (Dua) are addressed directly to Al-Rabb, the Lord, and its only Al-Rabb who is responsible for answering normal supplications. This clearly gives Al-Rabb and independent entity. He continued to say that the one worshiped in normal salah is Allah, and thus the Uluhiya category of tawxiid is responsible for salah and other worship like fasting etc. Then he finished by saying the 3rd and final category of tawxiid only deals with the attributes and characteristics of Allah, and that this 3rd part is distinctly different from the former two. Clearly when put this way, it suggests that the three different parts of tawxiid have their own unique and distinct nature, and are responsible for different tasks. Christians believe that The father, the son and the holy spirit are three in one, and one in three. Basically God, subdivided himself into three and each part has its own task, like the son coming down on earth to die for the sake of humanity, the holy spirit filling up people's hearts and saving them from their sins etc etc. I'm having hard time telling the difference between these two. The concepts are almost similar with only slight changes.

Someone come forth and explain how this doctrine infiltrated into Islam, how it is different from Trinity and how it's not a threat to the monotheistic nature of Islam?

[Blessed]

Trinity is the union of three devine persons, the father, the son and the holy spirit in one God - i.e God exits in three persons. The categoies of tawheed on the other hand, is concerned with teaching Muslims about the Onness of Allah.

 

Categorisation of varies - it can be 2 as the case of Ibn Taymiyyah, 3 (most common) or even 4 is concerned with understanding Allah (SWT) - One God without partner. So you may want to focus on his names and attritubtes, i.e twheed Al-Asmaa wa Siffaat and how knowledge within Quran and Sunnah regarding his names and attributes explain His Oness, or His Lordhsip etc.

 

You may want to read this introduction chapter and there are many resources on the web : http://www.kalamullah.com/Books/Islamic%20Studies%20Book%201.pdf

 

It is the belief that Allaah’s One, without partner in His dominion (ruboobeeyah),

One without similitude in His essence and attributes (asmaa was sifaat), and One

without rival in His divinity and in worship (ulooheeyah ‘ibaadah). These three

aspects form the basis for the categories into which the science of tawheed has

been traditionally divided. The three overlap and are inseparable to such a degree

that whoever omits any one aspect has failed to complete the requirements of

tawheed.

[Skeptic]

First of all, this isn't and shouldn't even be something of a discussion but to clarify in simple terms:

 

Christian Trinity is THREE different beings been combined to ONE! (which is contradicting) ...

 

The divisions of TAWHEED simply mean that ALLAH is:

 

- The CREATOR of all things (this gives Him the title of RABB {literally meaning NURTURER])

- The One and only worthy of been WORSHIPPED (thus ILAAH [uLUHIYYAH])

- He has many NAMES and ATTRIBUTES (ASMAA = names ATTRIBUTES = sifaat) simply meaning that He is The all knowing ('Aliim), ever merciful (Rahman), all hearing (Samii') all seeing (Basiir) .....

 

One of the reasons why these three categories exist is because, anyone can/have claimed to be god and demanded to be worshipped. But no one can/have claimed to have created any creations thus, though anything/anyone might be worshipped, the One that is WORTHY of been worshipped is the same one that is the Creator of everything and has control over all. He is the all knowing which no one has claimed to be.

[Naxar Nugaaleed]

Very interesting had no idea

[Jacpher]

Those who wants to confuse others claim Islam has trinity.

[nuune]

Naxar Nugaaleed;966583 wrote:

Very interesting had no idea

Wax interesting ah ma jiro, wax trinity la dhahaana in Islam ma jiro, in fact, Islam being the only religion to condemn trinity in much detail.

 

 

Gaalada when they couldn't find any fault in Islam, they come and introduce something that doesn't exist, in fact, this same topic was the center debate point for a Christian Missionary who had a discussion with Ahmed Deedat(AUN), Deedat gave a fitting answer, and that GAAL indhihiisaa bannaanka u soo baxey, how foolish he started a topic that he has no idea of what it means or is, now the thread starter might be simply looking for answers, or is here to bring GAALADA to have a useless debate with Muslims, whatever the motive, it is clear that he/she wants to confuse the little birds out there!

[somalee]

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@Skeptic

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First of all, this isn't and shouldn't even be something of a discussion but to clarify in simple terms:<br />

<br />

Christian Trinity is THREE different beings been combined to ONE! (which is contradicting) ...<br />

<br />

The divisions of TAWHEED simply mean that ALLAH is:<br />

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- The CREATOR of all things (this gives Him the title of RABB {literally meaning NURTURER])<br />

- The One and only worthy of been WORSHIPPED (thus ILAAH [uLUHIYYAH])<br />

- He has many NAMES and ATTRIBUTES (ASMAA = names ATTRIBUTES = sifaat) simply meaning that He is The all knowing ('Aliim), ever merciful (Rahman), all hearing (Samii') all seeing (Basiir) ..... <br />

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One of the reasons why these three categories exist is because, anyone can/have claimed to be god and demanded to be worshipped. But no one can/have claimed to have created any creations thus, though anything/anyone might be worshipped, the One that is WORTHY of been worshipped is the same one that is the Creator of everything and has control over all. He is the all knowing which no one has claimed to be.

 

I don't understand how your last paragraph specifically addresses the categorization. If as you said this was done to counter among other things the claim of "creating", then why wasn't the name of Allah "Al-Khaaliq" included into this or the reason the rest of Allah's attributes were lumped into one "category" to give way for 2 more? They don't make sense. There's a deliberate intention here to particularly come up with the number three. Regarding the same doctrine in Christianity, majority of Christians believe that the sub-divisions are merely "expressions" of God and that the substance or essence are the same but with different functions. This is exactly the same reasoning used by Salafis when explaining the sub-division of tawxiid. They claim the category of tawhiid (Rubuubiyah), rabb is responsible for answering duas and that the other category which deals with attributes of Allah merely exist to make people aware of the powers and characteristics of Allah. There's a clear differentiation here with regards to the functions.

 

The question is why is a concept like tawxiid which literally translates to "Oneness" be sub-divided in the first place? How can there be different categories for this oneness? And why specifically three? You can not start your explanation by saying "The tawhiid (oneness) has been subdivided for blah..." Tawhiid is tawhiid, its the only claim we have of having a monotheistic religion and this divisions are alien to Islam.

[DoctorKenney]

This is a simple diversion used by Christian missionaries to confuse the common Muslim. This whole discussion had already occurred way back in the 1980's with Ahmed Deedat, when he debated Christian missionary Jimmy Swaggart.

 

It's a tired topic

[thehassanabdi]

"They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the third of three." And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment." QUR'AN 5:73-75

 

Hope you are satisfied with that answer from none but ALLAH swt himself.

[somalee]

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@thehassanabdi

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"They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the third of three." And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment." QUR'AN 5:73-75

 

Hope you are satisfied with that answer from none but ALLAH swt himself.

This verse is against Trinity and the sub-division of tawxiid goes against this verse. What people do not understand is, not all Muslims subscribe to this tawxiid sub-division. Its a Wahhabi/Salafi doctrine.

 

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@DoctorKenney

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This is a simple diversion used by Christian missionaries to confuse the common Muslim. This whole discussion had already occurred way back in the 1980's with Ahmed Deedat, when he debated Christian missionary Jimmy Swaggart.

 

It's a tired topic

What you don't understand is this is a belief held only by salafis and the Ahlel sunnah do not subscribe to it. Its not a "simple diversion" by Christians but I believe there is a deliberate intention by some Muslim sects to divert Muslims away from the true oneness of Allah.

[thehassanabdi]

I believe they are only trying to put more weigh on the Qualities of the almighty, and has got nothing to do with trinity.LA ILAAHA ILALLAH is constantly on every muslim's lips.

[Khayr]

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@DoctorKenney

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This is a simple diversion used by Christian missionaries to confuse the common Muslim. This whole discussion had already occurred way back in the 1980's with Ahmed Deedat, when he debated Christian missionary Jimmy Swaggart.

 

It's a tired topic

 

If I am

not mistaken, Sheikh Deedat يرحمه الله was not a Salafi.

 

[Khayr]

On a side note, I prefer watching paint dry then to listen or read about Salafi Aqeedah.