Somali Federal Government clarifies its position on territorial waters

[Somalia]

If it was non-negotiable she wouldn't have signed the press release which confirms the embarking of maritime demarcation. This is another blunder on her part.

 

Non-negotiable does not equate to discussion of the issue. Do you us to trust the government when they say one thing and do the other? A government should always be questioned.

[Chimera]

Somalia;959632 wrote:

If it was non-negotiable she wouldn't have signed the press release which confirms the embarking of maritime demarcation. This is another blunder on her part.

 

Non-negotiable does not equate to discussion of the issue.

Do you us to trust the government when they say one thing and do the other? A government should always be questioned.

You're being obtuse, because I, for a fact, know your not stubid. The government's position is non-negotiable, and it has an immense legal legacy based on the excellent work of prewar governments that solidified our claim permanently. However, this doesn't mean it can ignore its neighbour's rhetoric/actions, and there are always two options in such a situation, military means or diplomatic means. China currently considers the South China Sea as non-negotiable Chinese territorial waters, despite having a weaker legal legacy to back that position than Somalia, however when it enters into dialogues or discussions with its neighbours about the sea-dispute, this doesn't equal China backing down on her claim, no she defends it. In Somalia's case, the government is simply reasserting her decades old position, if the Kenyans want to spin it as a new MOU, so be it, but it has no legal ramifications.

 

I have no problems with people questioning the government, its when they actively try to untangle it, for petty regional issues, and with no alternative in place, that I become suspicious.

[Johnny B]

Somalia;959632 wrote:

If it was non-negotiable she wouldn't have signed the press release which confirms the embarking of maritime demarcation. This is another blunder on her part.

 

Non-negotiable does not equate to discussion of the issue.

Do you us to trust the government when they say one thing and do the other? A government should always be questioned.

 

It is abort time that the Anti governement gets off her tits , as it were.

Even the alleged document that You presented says

What is agreed uppn is working on a framework of MOU?

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Where did Chimera mention clan?

[Duufaan]

Amina signed the letter and Hasan culusow ordered. The letter exist and authentic, no question about.

However it is good news that the FG back tracks whatever reason behind it.

[Haatu]

LIFAAQ: SOMALITALK.COM

 

 

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Qodobkan waa mid lagu diirsaday: Xukuumada Federaaliga ah ee Soomaaliya waxay aqoonsan tahay sharciga qaran ee badaha Law No. 37. ee qeexaya dhererka xadka badda “territorial water” ee gaaraya 200 mayl-badeed iyo continental shelf . Waxay dawlada Soomaaliya ogolaatay xeerka badaha aduunka ee ay wax ka saxiixday 24kii Luuliyo 1989 ayadoo aan ka tanaasulin sharciga qaran.

 

Dunida waxaa dawlad lagu qadariyaa sida shacabkeedu u taageeraa, mar haddii dawladdu ogolaatay wixii shacabku dalbanayey ee la xirira badda Soomaaliya cabbirkeeda, waxaa muhiim ah in shacabkuna taageeraan dawladda si loo gaaro nabad waarta oo camirta dhammaan dhulka Soomaalidu degto, lagana wada shaqeeyo sidii laga bilaabo maanta looga wada shaqayn lahaa.

 

Libaaxyadii Afrika soo rogaal celiye.

 

Dawladdda Soomaaliya waxaa lagu yiqiiney geesiyaal aan gorodda hoos u rogan oo adduunka wax la qaybsada. Sharciga Law no. 37 waxaa la sameeyey asagoo juhdi iyo geesinimo ay u gashay dawladdii Soomaaliyeed ee hore, waxaana farxad leh in dawladdii rasmiga ahayd ee xigtey ee maanta ka jirta Soomaliya ay tooshkii halkii ka sii qaaday, kuna dadaalayso in aan xeerkaas badda Soomaaliya ee dhigaya 200 TERRITORIAL Waters ah laga war wareegin.

 

Talada keliya oo aan arrintan ku darsanayno, ee dhiman, waxay tahay in Xeer Dastuuri ah oo Baarlamaani ah laga dhigo qodobada uu xambaarsan yahay Go'aankan golaha wasiiradda Soomaaliya ee ku aadan badda Soomaaliya ee soo baxay June 6, 2013, si xukuumad iyo dawlad kasta oo Soomaaliyeed ee mustaqbalka timaada ay halkaas uga ambaqaado, dhaxalkaasi u jiro. Guul insha Allah.

 

Faafin: SomaliTalk.com | June 6, 2013

 

http://somalitalk.com/2011/badda/difaac95.html

[Haatu]

It was a long campaign and I am cautiously optimistic that the SFG will stand by this warmurtiyeed and do this:

Talada keliya oo aan arrintan ku darsanayno, ee dhiman, waxay tahay in Xeer Dastuuri ah oo Baarlamaani ah laga dhigo qodobada uu xambaarsan yahay Go'aankan golaha wasiiradda Soomaaliya ee ku aadan badda Soomaaliya ee soo baxay June 6, 2013, si xukuumad iyo dawlad kasta oo Soomaaliyeed ee mustaqbalka timaada ay halkaas uga ambaqaado, dhaxalkaasi u jiro. Guul insha Allah.

Nontheless, guusha anaga ayaa leh.

[tutu]

Chimera;959598 wrote:

LOL@ Kenya drilling anything, you mean multinational companies? It will never happen, the FG has legal documents recognized by the UN on its side, and that's a huge roadblock considering no global company was willing to drill in the Bay of Bengal despite being awarded rights by India at the expense of Bangladesh for that very same reason. Secondly, the prospect of commercial discoveries in Somalia are much higher than in Kenya, hence any company that accepts blocks in the Somali basin at the behest of Kenya would be banned from any licensing bids in Somalia, which is a major loss for those specific companies on the long term.

Funny. Really? Kenya is already undertaking multi-explorations of oil and gas (have found oil but ascertaining its merchantability as we write). Of course under the auspices of international companies just like any other developing country.

 

Then how come oil companies are drilling in Somaliland? The FG hasn't agreed to it. Genuine question

Excellent reference.

[Chimera]

tutu;959846 wrote:

Funny. Really? Kenya is already undertaking multi-explorations of oil and gas (have found oil but ascertaining its merchantability as we write). Of course under the auspices of international companies just like any other developing country.

Yet none of those "international companies" are touching those Somali blocks, despite their multi-billion dollar offshore projects in neighbouring Tanzania, not even the small ones active in Kenya like Tullow want to touch that. There will be offshore drilling in other parts of Somalia long before those blocks in question are explored, and when it does happen it will be under a Somali government contract.

[tutu]

^^As far as offshore is concerned, the internationally recognised sea borders will prevail even though it may seem like Kenya is trying to stretch its arms into Somali waters. But there exists pre-war demarcations unless Somalis give it away voluntarily.

 

Somalia finding oil before Kenya, that's a far-fetched dream considering Somalia's position today. Oh, but Kenya have already found oil in Turkana. And they're in full force to fast track the exploration. They've assigned a whole ministry to perform such a task among other duties. They're also contemplating on the potential impact of commercial oil. So it's not a matte of if Kenya explores but when the commercialization will begin.

[Mintid Farayar]

Chimera,

 

You're arguing with a crowd that finds logic and facts highly inconvenient

 

Tutu,

Chimera is referring to the disputed area(between Kenya & Somalia) where, due to the angle of the borders, there's an overlapping of the usual Exclusive Economic Zone demarcation line. Meanwhile, the Kenyan projects you've referred to are in sovereign Kenyan territories where there are no 'sovereignty' disputes.

 

The Security Council members in their last Somalia meeting already deemed this an issue to be handled by international arbitration. The Mogadishu government's recent hard-line stance on the issue should be commended by all Somalis, regardless of whether they live in Djibouti or China.

[Chimera]

tutu;959865 wrote:

^^As far as offshore is concerned, the internationally recognised sea borders will prevail even though it may seem like Kenya is trying to stretch its arms into Somali waters. But there exists pre-war demarcations unless Somalis give it away voluntarily.

Indeed, hence Somalia has nothing to worry about, and the blocks illegally awarded to multinationals on Kenya's part are worthless in the long term.

 

Somalia finding oil before Kenya, that's a far-fetched dream considering Somalia's position today.

I'm sure a few years ago, you would have said the same about exploration in Somalia, yet:

 

 

Somalia was already in the oil-game two decades ago long before Kenya, when all of the BIG SIX companies were awarded contracts to explore in the country and they had found evidence of oil-reserves but their projects were cut short due to the war. This has been complimented by the research of smaller companies who found active petroleum systems. What will happen now is that instead two or three wells in Somalia, we'll be seeing a hundred wells.

 

Oh, but Kenya have already found oil in Turkana. And they're in full force to fast track the exploration. They've assigned a whole ministry to perform such a task among other duties. They're also contemplating on the potential impact of commercial oil. So it's not a matte of if Kenya explores but when the commercialization will begin.

LOL 2500 barrels a day, contrast this with the average, which is 500 thousand barrels a day.

[Chimera]

Mintid Farayar;959876 wrote:

Chimera,

 

You're arguing with a crowd that finds

logic and facts

highly inconvenient

 

Tutu,

Chimera is referring to the disputed area(between Kenya & Somalia) where, due to the angle of the borders, there's an overlapping of the usual

Exclusive Economic Zone

demarcation line. Meanwhile, the Kenyan projects you've referred to are in sovereign Kenyan territories where there are no 'sovereignty' disputes.

 

The Security Council members in their last Somalia meeting already deemed this an issue to be handled by international arbitration. The Mogadishu government's recent hard-line stance on the issue should be commended by all Somalis, regardless of whether they live in Djibouti or China.

I agree.

[Mintid Farayar]

But 2500 barrels is nothing to laugh at. With current prices of roughly $100 a barrel, that's $2.5 Million a day, and $912.5 Million a year(almost a $Billion). A few wells like that, and a poor African country is good to go

 

I know I didn't factor in costs and profit-sharing with the 'operator', etc. ... But just pointing out the revenue levels for even a low-production well!

[Chimera]

Well, if the well is actually commercially sustainable, it will take another 5 years before a small company like Tullow is capable of turning it into an export enterprise, and by that time the world prices will have considerably cooled down, especially now that the US will be pretty much energy-self sufficient.

 

But you're right, its nothing to laugh at, but when compared to the projected estimates for the Somali basins, its apples and oranges.