Chimera Posted June 3, 2013 This is a good trend, I hope it continues to eclipse the outward migration: "According to the population movement tracking system by UNHCR, about 18,000 refugees have returned from neighboring countries into Somalia since January 2013," OCHA said in its update on Somalia. According to the UNHCR, 10,755 Somalis have so far sought refuge in neighboring countries in 2013. In the month of April, 2, 000 movements were reported in different areas in Somalia due to insecurity, floods, IDP evictions as well as cross-border movements UN says 18000 Somali refugees returned home since January Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nuune Posted June 3, 2013 ^^ Normally, qaraabo salaan is seen as fleeing the country or returning by this useless UCHI, I can actually visit 3 countries in under 5 minutes(Somlia-Ethiopia-Kenya border), in and out, then in, that is cool, anyone can tell me this exact location, homework for Apohpis. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chimera Posted June 3, 2013 Its a brief update, here's a map of Somalia for potential refugees by each region. The 18 thousand figure is for neighbouring countries alone since Jan 2013, it doesn't include diaspora returnees. The fact that there is a surplus today instead of the reverse is a positive regardless of which year these poor people were uprooted. In 2011/2012, there was a time when 1000 civilians were crossing the border every day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chimera Posted June 3, 2013 Well I don't differentiate or categorize Somalis by region of origin or politics(which is why I was content with that brief update), but since you insist, here is an earlier report that breaks down some of the figures. The vast majority are actually returning to the deep south rather than Mogadishu. Also, many of them come for work or check in on their farms and businesses, so we can conclude out of the 18 thousand returnees, Somalia retained roughly 7000, a situation unimaginable just a few years ago: Over 12,000 Somali refugees returned home in two months In its latest Humanitarian Bulleting released by UN Office for Coordination for Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) issued in Nairobi said the returns to Somalia continue at slow pace since conditions in the Horn of Africa nation are not yet viable for large-scale voluntary return. “The numbers, however, do not indicate intentions and many refugees cross back and forth, sometimes to check on property or find seasonal work,” the report said. The UN says there has been a gradual increase in the number of international aid workers operating in southern Somalia, following the withdrawal of Al-Shabaab from key towns. Relief agencies working in Daadab attribute the movement to refugees crossing the border back to Somalia as that of refugees returning in search of work in Somalia as well as to check up on their farms and the assess the situation on the ground, especially as Al-Shaabab has ceded many towns and areas following the offensive by the AMISOM forces. According to UN refugee agency, (UNHCR), the trend of increased returns, mainly from Kenya to Somalia, which saw an uptick in January, continued in February. “In the first nine weeks of the year, about 12,000 people reportedly crossed the border. Nearly 10,500 of the 12,000 arrived from Kenya and Ethiopia, while the rest returned from Yemen and Saudi Arabia,” the Humanitarian Bulletins aid. The movements from Kenya, from where the vast majority of people crossed into Somalia, increased more than eight-fold between November-December and January-February, according to the UNHCR. According to the report, movements from Kenya were recorded mostly in Dobley (5,241), Diff (1,808) and Ceel Waaq (925) . People also arrived in major towns within the border region without stopping at the border posts. Large numbers of arrivals were also recorded in Baardheere (1, 142) and Kismayo (721) and according to the UNHCR; some of those arriving indicated they did not have authorization to stay in Kenya. “People further stated that the Kenyan governments’ decree to relocate refugees to Dadaab camp led to their return to Somalia. Other reasons included fear of election violence as well as insecurity, robbery, rape, harassment and other acts in the camps, ” it said. The bulletins aid some movements into Kenya were recorded, but these continued to decrease, with 57 people tracked compared to 213 in November-December. Insecurity in the district was cited as the reason for their movement, according to the UNHCR, adding that movements from Ethiopia decreased from 917 in November-December 2012 to 623 in January-February. “People arrived in Doolow before moving further to their places of origin located mostly in Bay and Bakool regions,” the UNHCR said.-- LINK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chimera Posted June 3, 2013 The ones returning to the capital, came via Kenyan airports somewhere at the end of 2012, while those returning to the deep-south come via the border-crossings, and there is nothing to suggest that they continued into Al-Shabaab territory to reach Mogadishu, in-fact the article makes it clear that they are returning for work in those aforementioned cities and to check up on their assets in those particular regions, not Mogadishu. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chimera Posted June 4, 2013 I find this a strange discussion, returnees are returnees, and cause for optimism regardless of their origins. However; 1) even if we assume that there is no major cross border trade worth hundreds of millions of dollars providing thousands of jobs in the deep south, between Somalia and Kenya, and 2) even if we take the leap of faith that these land-routes are all road-block/Al-Shabaab free, and 3) even if we assume their end destination was Mogadishu. 4) even if we assume that they have the wealth to make this back and forth journey between the borders several times, What evidence is there that they are "Mogadishu folk", (which on this board is synonymous to a specific clan) and not families and individuals from a variety of clans and regions hoping to cash in on the "huge boom" and prospect of finding a job that you reference above? Come on Apophis. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rudy-Diiriye Posted June 4, 2013 Hell no!! Wait till i return!.....then shyte will kol!! I got no clue why! i was there for 3 months!!...but the day i left Mogo! My escort to the Chinese plane was a chinese lady!! I remember...i was a teenee! and i was kol even thought i was in holding cell for 2 days!! I was the last one to get on broad on that plane!! If you ever heard of the words A DREAM COMING TRUE!! THIS WAS IT!! AT COUPLE OF TIMES...I BASICALLY, GAVE UP HOPE!!..... She gave me a soda/meal and read me stories till we landed in dubai!! Today, I wonder, why i have alot of indoyar friends in la!! I prefer xalimoos!! but today, they becoming ENDANGERED SPECIES!! lol Thank u ling ling!! u was awesome. She waited with me in the airport port till my parents showed up! PS: i was a dc elementry kid from from usa...then, but my family lived in Dubai....shyte happens. RETURNING THERE NOW!! HERE ARE THE CONDITIONS!! AMA GO TO URANUS and then come back to earth if there is only one SOMALI NATION WITH THE following status below!! WHITE STAR N BLUE FLAG ALL SOMALIS UNITED 4EVER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! count me in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am Full Somali 4ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cadnaan1 Posted June 4, 2013 Chimera marwalba aan arko wuxuu soo tabiyaa positive news,,laakiin dad ayaa dhibsaday arintaas oo muran ka keenay waa yaabe dadkaasi maxay u dhibsanyaan positive news ee yar ee ka soo baxaya somalia. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites