Somaliland to get their own separate calling code

[Che -Guevara]

Saalax;950633 wrote:

Not really but if we follow the popular history, historical texts dating back to 600 years ago and DNA

results of some Somalilanders whose DNA originated from the Middle East then one can't argue

against it.

Then logic would dictate these 'Middle Eastern' Somalilanders are not ethnic Somalis.

 

Brianblaster. Ar we assume nomadic Somalis descend from a common ancestor?

[Saalax]

No it wouldn't. Because the so called "Somali" ethnic group started in the north than later it expanded

further south where there was pagan groups, Oromos etc who became Muslim.Someone from

Mozambique can't contest the founders.

[Che -Guevara]

Salaax. You can't have both ways, you can't say some people are from Arabia and then labelled as ethnic Somalis yet deny Bantus the same status. Do descendants of Arabs automatically qualify as ethnic Somalis than Bantus don't?

 

What proof do you have to suggest ethnic Somalis originated from the north?

[brainblaster456]

Saalax;950633 wrote:

Not really but if we follow the popular history, historical texts dating back to 600 years ago and DNA

results of some Somalilanders whose DNA originated from the Middle East then one can't argue

against it.

Saalax, the only non Somali gene precentage in ethnic Somalis is T haplogroup and it is not only restricted to Somalilanders it is prominent in Djibouti down to Dire Dawa area and according to genetics T haplogroup migrated into modern day Somali peninsula 2000+ yrs from Mesopotamia and the Fertile crescent and that is way before Islam and Sh ***** isaac.

[Saalax]

They can be from Arabia way back and still be Somali as they founded it. The Somali ethnic

group is not very old, there is no recorded history of it past 1,000.It might as well be an offshoot

of the larger Arab ethnic group for all we know. As for the Bantus their native tongue is not even

cushitic languages but Niger-Congo languages,you would have made more sense if you were trying

to claim nilotic groups such as Rendille, Dinka, Nuer they are more closer to Somali ethnic

group than Bantus.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

islam came from north so Mozambique cannot claim ethnic Somali , salax ma intaas uun tidhahdiid. Since Ethnic Somali identity for the biggest part is based on the islamic heritage.

[Mad_Mullah]

Common knowledge that Somalilands tribe originated from a man in the Middle East.

 

And don't give me that 'well, how come you don't look like --'

 

If you go to China and marry a Chinese woman, your kids will come out looking mixed. If they again marry Chinese and their kids marry CHinese the Somaliness will slowly fade away. After a hundred years they'll look a 100% Chinese.

[Che -Guevara]

Saalax. The oldest Somali tribe is Garre. They speak an off shoot of May May, the originator of the Af Maxaa tiri.The Garra mostly reside in the South and NFD. It's very unlikely that migrants from Arabia formed the Somali nation just a thousand years ago. The language and the culture is older than that, and it's related to Oromo, Afars and others in the horn. This is more plausible explanation than some Arabs finding the Somali nation.

 

 

Xaaji. Islam is not factor in determining Somali ethnicity. It only applies to Arabised countries in North Africa and parts of the Middle namely Syria, Lebanon and Palestine.

[Waranle_Warrior]

This another futile exercise that SL is barking on, no one can change the country code as these have been allocated to these countries years ago and its part of the international regulations for communications.

 

251 - Ethiopia

252 - Somalia

253 - Djibouti

254 - Kenya

255 - Tanzania

256 - Uganda

 

These are the country codes of the major East African countries, waana sideey isu xig-xigaan iya meelaha ay kuyaaliin, markaas how are they going get a new area code, are they going to rob Dj or Kenya or Ethiopia inteey kacararaayaan kan Somalia. It will remain to be 252 but the numbers that come after it will vary from region to region as it currently is right now.

[Saalax]

That might be it or the theory of Somalis immigrating from the north as in the historical texts and

conquering lands pushing out ethnic groups like Gallas (Oromos) is more plausible. All those

groups are Cushitic so it might have been possible, but to claim Bantu ethnic groups who immigrated

from West Africa many many years ago to East Africa and South Africa displacing the local Khoisan

Kalahari desert people to be an ethnic "Somali" doesn't make sense.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

In the 16 century the predominant tribe in Somaliland was around 20.000 people according to Fatuh al habash and some sections were not even mentioned maybe to small. The holy man lived around the 12th century mathematically it make sense ofcourse i do not believe every one is descendants of ofcourse there was some assimilation. The same with Yusuf al baqdadi the grandfather of Cumar walashma founder of the Walashma Kingdom in seylac also partly related to the hargeisa clan. Genetically not all Somali speaking people have the same ancestry but because of islam and they were the only early Muslims in the horn they sticked together and through intermarriage and common values they developed their Somali identity the past 1000 years. As people and later when they adopted the nomadic culture they even re invented the Somali traditional culture. There is one book that mentions the early Somalis in written literature and that's the conquest of the Abyssinians. in details in sub clan and also where they lived and their tribal chiefs and how they took part of the wars. Many clans all lived together. Some clans were lost in other clans and so on. Somalis lived deep inside Ethiopia much further than the Somali galbeed region today.

[Classified]

Xaaji Xunjuf;950628 wrote:

If 15% are another ethnic group than Ethnic Somalis in Somalia , remove Somaliland from Somalia the percentage of non Ethnic Somalis will rise close to 23% if not more. Somalia is than not that homogenous as we think. Eventhough i do not believe in this Ethnic identification.

Ethnic Somalis? So, the Somalis in Hargeisa, are they Ethnic Somalis or "Ethnic Somalilanders"? lol

[Tallaabo]

Che -Guevara;950651 wrote:

Saalax. The oldest Somali tribe is Garre. They speak an off shoot of May May, the originator of the Af Maxaa tiri.The Garra mostly reside in the South and NFD. It's very unlikely that migrants from Arabia formed the Somali nation just a thousand years ago. The language and the culture is older than that, and it's related to Oromo, Afars and others in the horn. This is more plausible explanation than some Arabs finding the Somali nation.

 

 

Xaaji. Islam is not factor in determining Somali ethnicity. It only applies to Arabised countries in North Africa and parts of the Middle namely Syria, Lebanon and Palestine.

Waar Che haku wareerin dadkan, iska dheh carab baydu tihiin.

[brainblaster456]

Che -Guevara;950638 wrote:

Then logic would dictate these 'Middle Eastern' Somalilanders are not ethnic Somalis.

 

Brianblaster. Ar we assume nomadic Somalis descend from a common ancestor?

Haa saaxiib, apart from small paternal communities such as R0a2(parts of Somaliland), T(Guban), K2(Haud)ect. who reach 10% each but are still native east africans. The vast majority of nomadic Somalis share common ancestor paternally E3b1*(E1b1b1a). Now that is ethnic Somali :cool:

 

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v13/n7/images/5201390f1.gif

 

Ethnic Somalis are at least one of the most homogenous ethnicities in Africa...

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Classified;950659 wrote:

Ethnic Somalis? So, the Somalis in Hargeisa, are they Ethnic Somalis or "Ethnic Somali

landers

"? lol

They are ethnic Somalilanders