The National Personification of Somalis?

[Che -Guevara]

This effort should be spearheaded by an authentic Somali, definitely not by Alpha and his legion of scripts.

[Coofle]

Nice thread...As always.

 

But did you notice the taste for women is changing, Europa and Germania seem a little bit out of shape (in today's Standards) and every other painting from the renaissance and beyond, women are depicted in a rather well built and full form (you know what I mean inaar)....Arabs used to feed brides with ghee and dates before wedding them to the houses of their husbands, just that they gain more weight....Anyway this is for another discussion for another day.

 

I think the only reasonable personification for Somalis Would Faarax Jaamac

Faarax Jaamac is the Typical Somali, Waa Codkar, Waa Aftahan, Waa nin reerkiisa dhaqda oo xoolo iyo mood leh, xaaskiisa si fiican xakamaha ugu haya, warankiisu dagta u saaranyahay, Beeshiisa aad u jecel, Wadanku wuxu yahay aan aqoon, Dhulkiisana aaminsan, Salaada markuu Lixdanka gaadho bilaabi doona, Tafiir ciidaas leeg dhalay, iwm.

[Coofle]

Safferz;946752 wrote:

The clan stuff is dumb, but I do believe he was Somali. Ethiopian historiography (including the royal chronicles) describe him as a Somali with an army of Somali nomads, and I think Somali oral history confirms this. But I do know there are a few scholars who argue he was not (possibly Harla from Harar), but their only evidence is the ambiguity of the one account Futah Al-Habash, written by an Arab who was there at the time and noted that the army was Somali... so their logic is that if Gurey was was Somali, he would have mentioned that too.

The oldest written records considering the word "Somali" is in some Ethiopian texts, Ironically it meant some Derogatory term. so him being called Somali in Ethiopian texts doesn't mean he is an ethnic Somali, but it implies he was one of the Somalis (Derogatory collective term)

[Safferz]

Coofle;946762 wrote:

The oldest written records considering the word "Somali" is in some Ethiopian texts, Ironically it meant some Derogatory term. so him being called Somali in Ethiopian texts doesn't mean he is an ethnic Somali, but it implies he was one of the Somalis (Derogatory collective term)

lol are you trying to suggest they named us, with a derogatory term? The first recorded use of the word Somali was in songs from the negus Yeshaq's reign in the 15th century, celebrating the defeat of the Ifat sultanate (whose capital was Zeila). Of course as a victory song it is demeaning to the defeated, but Somali here is a literal description of the Muslims to the east.

[Coofle]

Exactly...You have the full history...We are on the same page markaas, Somali is a collective (deregatory) term to the Defeated....the muslims....So If records say Ahmed gurey was somali it doesn't necessarily mean he was an ethnic Somali, Ahmed bin Ibrahim Al ghazi is not a Somali name...Let us not Spoil the topic to Alpha...Meel kale inoo gee sheekadan, May be a thread on ahmed guray.

[Safferz]

Alpha ruins everyone else's threads and surely does not think twice about doing so, so let's not worry about derailing his topic. We're not on the same page, what we have is the same information but I disagree with your interpretation of their usage of the word Somali because it doesn't hold up in the context of other Ethiopian documents. The kings knew the difference between the general "Muslim" and the ethnic "Somali," so the usage here is precise.

[Timur]

Europeans have symbols because they have pagan tendencies. Somalis are inclined toward Islam, and we don't need pretentious symbols.

 

If you want to lower yourself to the primitive tendencies of Europeans, that's fine. But don't bring that garbage to other Somalis. We are content with the truth.

[Alpha Blondy]

^ even in this social media age?

 

symbols, iconography, pictures, visual representations is EVERYTHING and define a country's self-construction, self-identity and indeed self-perspective in its own view and in the view of the others....ee sida uula soco.

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

Coofle;946764 wrote:

So If records say Ahmed gurey was somali it doesn't necessarily mean he was an ethnic Somali, Ahmed bin Ibrahim Al ghazi is not a Somali name...Let us not Spoil the topic to Alpha...Meel kale inoo gee sheekadan, May be a thread on ahmed guray.

What is a Soomaali name marka? Sayid Maxamed Cabdulle Xasan?

 

If foreigners write Soomaalis with their version of our names, it doesn't mean the person wasn't Soomaali. Some foreigners until now write Sayid Maxamed Cabdulle Xasan's name as Sayyīd Muhammad `Abd Allāh al-Hasan.

 

So in a few centuries, someone like you will believe he wasn't Soomaali because his name was spelled Sayyid Muhammad Abd Allah al-Hassan. What in a Soomaali name was that asagoo leh waliba.

 

Be careful just following how foreigners spell the Soomaali names. It may mislead you completely. For all we know, Axmed Gurey's full name could have been Axmed Ibraahin Gaas or Axmed Ibraahin Qaasi.

[Wadani]

Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar;946905 wrote:

What is a Soomaali name marka? Sayid Maxamed Cabdulle Xasan?

 

If foreigners write Soomaalis with their version of our names, it doesn't mean the person wasn't Soomaali. Some foreigners until now write Sayid Maxamed Cabdulle Xasan's name as Sayyīd Muhammad `Abd Allāh al-Hasan.

 

So in a few centuries, someone like you will believe he wasn't Soomaali because his name was spelled Sayyid Muhammad Abd Allah al-Hassan. What in a Soomaali name was that asagoo leh waliba.

 

Be careful just following how foreigners spell the Soomaali names. It may mislead you completely. For all we know, Axmed Gurey's full name could have been Axmed Ibraahin Gaas or Axmed Ibraahin Qaasi.

+1

[GaraadMon]

Timur;946778 wrote:

Europeans have symbols because they have pagan tendencies. Somalis are inclined toward Islam, and we don't need pretentious symbols.

 

If you want to lower yourself to the primitive tendencies of Europeans, that's fine. But don't bring that garbage to other Somalis. We are content with the truth.

Paganism refers simply to the traditional religions of any region/ethnic group before the spread of the Abrahamic faiths. I don't know how you've managed to attribute two of the oldest human practices (paganism and symbolism) to Europeans.

[Wadani]

Blackflash;946920 wrote:

Paganism refers simply to the traditional religions of any region/ethnic group before the spread of the Abrahamic faiths. I don't know how you've managed to attribute two of the oldest human practices (paganism and symbolism) to Europeans.

Like i've said before Somalis, and blacks in general, will give everything a European or Middle Eastern origin whether historically warranted or not. It's as if we don't believe in our ability to create and sustain anything worthy of being mentioned.

[Timur]

Wadani;946932 wrote:

Like i've said before Somalis, and blacks in general, will give everything a European or Middle Eastern origin whether historically warranted or not. It's as if we don't believe in our ability to create and sustain anything worthy of being mentioned.

So now paganism is something worthy of upholding?

 

The idiocy of some people is amazing.

[brainblaster456]

Speaking of national personifications. Adeer Shire Want's you to rebuild Somalia :cool: :cool: :cool:

 

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[Tallaabo]

^ That is plagiarism and will not be accepted.