Gedo elders reject the Kismayo conference.

[Dabrow]

The Zack;946303 wrote:

Dabrow, it is either Jubooyinka or Bay iyo Bakool.

you can't have your cake and eat it too.

 

P.s. Markii Bay iyo Bakool la sheego maxaad la qeylidaan? after all they are also Somalis who actually have their share in Gedo.

If going by your logic then why not create a super state including bay and bakool+ jubbaland, they are after all somalis

But ofc you wouldnt that you are just using it as a meaningless argument.

[Reer Banaadir]

Those of you advocating federal states in somalia and those that are oppose to it I have an idea where both of you gain something and lose at the same time.

How about if we go back to the regions somalia was composed of when it gained independence.They were six in the south and two in the north, from there we demand that two regions can form a state that way it reduces the idea of a single clan dominating a state and forcing integrations among clans, and the sharing of the resources of that state by all. If you don't remember the regions that existed at the time of independence the southern was were MJtenia (Bari and nugaal), Mudug ( Mudug and Galgaduud), Hiiraan, Banaadir( Banaadir, middle and lower shabeele), upper (gedo, Bay and bakool) and lower (lower and middle jubas) Jubas. The northern regions were two Hargeisa wich was NW and Burao. We can say that Mudug and Bari should be made one and called NE, Hiiraan and Banaadir made one or Hiiraan and upper Juba that wiil be called SW, Banaadir and Lower Juba that will be called SE and the north should be called NW joining those two regions that gives somalia four big states with diverce clans and the federal government can demand that in order for states to get more fund they shoul encorage diversity in clans and equility among it citizens with in the state.

[Carafaat]

Reer Banaadir;946442 wrote:

Those of you advocating federal states in somalia and those that are oppose to it I have an idea where both of you gain something and lose at the same time.

How about if we go back to the regions somalia was composed of when it gained independence.They were six in the south and two in the north, from there we demand that two regions can form a state that way it reduces the idea of a single clan dominating a state and forcing integrations among clans, and the sharing of the resources of that state by all. If you don't remember the regions that existed at the time of independence the southern was were MJtenia (Bari and nugaal), Mudug ( Mudug and Galgaduud), Hiiraan, Banaadir( Banaadir, middle and lower shabeele), upper (gedo, Bay and bakool) and lower (lower and middle jubas) Jubas. The northern regions were two Hargeisa wich was NW and Burao. We can say that Mudug and Bari should be made one and called NE, Hiiraan and Banaadir made one or Hiiraan and upper Juba that wiil be called SW, Banaadir and Lower Juba that will be called SE and the north should be called NW joining those two regions that gives somalia four big states with diverce clans and the federal government can demand that in order for states to get more fund they shoul encorage diversity in clans and equility among it citizens with in the state.

Aboow Banaadir, this is quite a good idea. But the whole idea of Somali 'federalism' is not to create divers strong regions with economic and political linkages but to create 'clan' states in order to boost the ego and confidence of certain lots. How do you mitigate those underlying reactionary waves?

[Reer Banaadir]

Carafaat;946452 wrote:

Aboow Banaadir, this is quite a good idea. But the whole idea of Somali

'federalism'

is not to create divers strong regions with economic and political linkages but to create

'clan' states

in order to boost the ego and confidence of certain lots. How do you mitigate those underlying reactionary waves?

Well the clan ego will be redused in three stages first one is the diversity of the state that will be achieved by following my firsuggestion and secondly the Fed. Gov. will have to insist on funding states and counties that incorage diversity , second stages in education of younger generation with the history of the damages clanism had caused our nation, what our religion says about the evils that come with clanism or tribalism once achieved that turn their mind to science and technology and making sure once graduate from schools there are jobs available for them that keeps them off of this shamefull pass time of tribal influence and third and last down the road once the governament is strong enough use the boots on the groung and bring in diverent clans into counties or areas that adap to the change and settle them there and invest all of the people in that area so that those that were brought there don't feel isolated and the ones over there don't feel their land was stolen. I know it will take years, hard work, commitment by the majority of the citizens, but the end result will be better for the nation and it's people. That is how the USA did to the southern states when they resisted integration, that is how europe is doing by settling imigrants to it's cities. So, if those countries can do with diffrent ethnic, colors and religions, why can't we do it in a country with same people ethnic and religion, unless we don't want to and if that is the case we shouldn't be call ourselfs somali ratther we should call our selfs by our clans and separate into miniture countries and accept our fait if we get annexed by those who wants to annex our territory. Fair? Other ideas are welcomed if it saves the country if not we are doomed because this clan states aren't going to work at all if we insist of going through this curent Fed. System that incorage clanism.

PS. We also need a new constitution that comes from our religions in it's true form not the one these days the fanatics use to defile it's name and message. our parlament should also be seated or elected by supirior numbers what I mean by that states that have the more population should havethe most MP seats that also might force some xenaphopic states to encorage imigration and settlements to their states and the benefits that it brings along from the federal governament.

[Carafaat]

Banaadir, you are a sensible man. this idea could actually work, Somalia consisting of 4 major diver strong region with political, cultural and economic linkages. these regions would have significant populations and would even make it easier to govern, as the role of clan and clannism would be reduced signifactly in the politics and governance of those regions.

[Reer Banaadir]

Carafaat;946464 wrote:

Banaadir, you are a sensible man. this idea could actually work, Somalia consisting of 4 major diver strong region with political, cultural and economic linkages. these regions would have significant populations and would even make it easier to govern, as the role of clan and clannism would be reduced signifactly in the politics and governance of those regions.

I agree with you Somalia does onsist of 4 regional area that have people that share cultural, economic and political idea, and that is why if we are going to emprace whole heartedly we need to group those regions that way in order for them to function properly and make sure that their bring more unity that divission amongst all the citizens of the nation. We have a big, rich and blessed country that can guarantee our safety and survival, the only thing we lack is good leaders with longterm vissions, under educated public without pattiance and greedy and corrupt elite. So god help us until we find two of those three.

[Somalia]

Can you name the 4 regions which share:

 

Cultural

Economical

and Political aspirations?

[Carafaat]

Yes, north and south mudug share cultural and economical history and linkages and even have even similarities in terms of political culture. Qaarna Xamar ayee u boob tageen, qaarna xeebaha. they are unseperateble.

[Reer Banaadir]

If You are a Somali and reasonable you ought to know that. If this is a sincere question somalia is devided into 4: 1) North from Sool & Sanaag to Awdal, 2) From Bari to Galgaduud, 3) The Old Banaadir along the coast, 4) The regions that surround the two rivers.between all the 4 areas there's an overlaps wich to be expected due to their proximaty along their borders. does that answer your question, I hope so. On the other hand, If the intentionbehind your question was to start another endless clan debate, I am sorry and shall excuse myself ahead and leave it to those that love to engage such a useless and baseless debate on this site, you'll be sattisfied immensly.

[Somalia]

Alright bye wtf :confused:

[Gaashaan]

Gedo people are ok to be bart of Jubaland and now that is not the case I think the most important thing now is a power sharing? how many # of ergos they will get out of 500 and how they gona divide by themselves..that was the latest news kismaayo today